Pictures of North Korea

[Soju Gorae]

The land of the craziest of the crazies. For a country that's dirt poor, it actually looks like there's civilization over there. I was imagining an empty land that was bombed out and depleted.

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[Soju Gorae]

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[Soju Gorae]

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[Soju Gorae]

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[skipshady]

I'm really fascinated by North Korea. Cinemax did a documentary where a filmmaker stayed in North Korea for a few days. They stayed in a luxury hotel that was practically empty, but it was the only building in the neighborhood that had lights on at night.

It was just eery, because a cop was directing traffic in the middle of an intersection, but there were hardly any cars. And this was rush hour! The only activity was citizens rehearsing for the big celebration - it's really amazing to see how well choreographed they are.

They also sneaked cameras into rural areas, where they found peasants eating tree barks and a mass burial ground. But the most chilling footage was from the North/South border, where opposing soldiers stood literally meters away from each other.

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=541402

[yimmy]

I'm really fascinated by North Korea. Cinemax did a documentary where a filmmaker stayed in North Korea for a few days. They stayed in a luxury hotel that was practically empty, but it was the only building in the neighborhood that had lights on at night.

It was just eery, because a cop was directing traffic in the middle of an intersection, but there were hardly any cars. And this was rush hour! The only activity was citizens rehearsing for the big celebration - it's really amazing to see how well choreographed they are.

They also sneaked cameras into rural areas, where they found peasants eating tree barks and a mass burial ground. But the most chilling footage was from the North/South border, where opposing soldiers stood literally meters away from each other.

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=541402

60 Minutes did a story on North Korea. They showed one of those satellite pictures of the Korean peninsula at night. You can see a lot of lights in South Korea but the North Korean side is completely dark. They also showed a policewoman directing traffic like a robot but there were no cars in the street at all.

I read somewhere that the soldiers at the border make menacing gestures at each other. I also heard rumors that sometimes the soldiers actually have conversations with one another.

There was a British documentary about the North Korean football team that beat Italy 1-0 during the 1966 World Cup. The filmmakers were allowed to travel to North Korea and it allows us a glimpse into North Korean society. I never managed to see it though.

I heard that some North Koreans have resorted to cannibalism to keep themselves from starving. It's really sad. There is Sunshine (I'm referring to Kim Dae-Jung's Sunshine policy of appeasement) where there should be outrage.

[Power_of_foot]

It's beautiful. Looks clean

[skipshady]

There was a British documentary about the North Korean football team that beat Italy 1-0 during the 1966 World Cup. The filmmakers were allowed to travel to North Korea and it allows us a glimpse into North Korean society. I never managed to see it though.I watched it at the Asian Society in NYC. Really great stuff, and the audience cheered when NK beat Italy. It's well worth seeing and I want to get it on DVD, but I don't think they have a distributor.
There is Sunshine (I'm referring to Kim Dae-Jung's Sunshine policy of appeasement) where there should be outrage.It's hard to have a coherent policy with North Korea because they have very little to lose, so if you piss them off, you don't know what they might do. So I think the best policy is to play nice with them and wait for the inevitable collapse and the power vacuum.

[yimmy]

I watched it at the Asian Society in NYC. Really great stuff, and the audience cheered when NK beat Italy. It's well worth seeing and I want to get it on DVD, but I don't think they have a distributor.
It's hard to have a coherent policy with North Korea because they have very little to lose, so if you piss them off, you don't know what they might do. So I think the best policy is to play nice with them and wait for the inevitable collapse and the power vacuum.

Yeah, that's one theory, but I'm not sure if their collapse is inevitable. They'll always get a concession one way or another and keep themselves going. And I think the South Korean gov't will do whatever it takes to keep them going. But yeah, what else can we do. I mean pissing them off never works. If the USA invaded them the way they invaded iraq the death toll estimates would be in the millions.

[the_13th_redneck]

I think once Kim Jong-il is out of power and the NK government itself collapses and South Korea is forced to go in for the rescue (a war could break out here as well) the truth of the sunshine policy will be revealed and there will be enormous outrage. First there may be wide attempts to cover up until words and rumours (both true and false) start trickling out, and then they realize it's too big to hide. It very well could be considered one of the world's worst humanitarian disasters, along with purges from the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodian death camps, Chinese Great Leap Forward and also the suger and water diets that Cubans often had to endure. Guess what all these disasters have in common.

I've also heard that there is cannibalism going on up there. And who's to doubt it? They've been starving forever. They're cutting up trees not to heat themselves, but to feed themselves. Starvation and massive poverty drive people crazy.

If the US decided to launch a pre-emptive strike against the North Koreans, assuming our military units don't stop obeying orders from the UN/US command, I think the fight itself will be quite short. The source of most casualties might be artillery strikes against Seoul.
The initial outrage against the US might fall short once the horrors of North Korea are revealed though. If conditions there are bad enough, we might actually end up asking ourselves, "why didn't we go sooner?"

The British program is called "The Game of Their Lives" and they have a website where u can order the video.

As for the place being clean and all, this is after a highly disciplined state. Any slacking off and it's off with your head. Communist countries generally are good at treating each building they build as a monument. I think I saw a video clip of the Pyongyang subway. It doesn't have many stops and it looks like a museum.
Also the lack of people, and further, the lack of things to buy will be another good reason why there's no litter anywhere. Who can stick gum under the desk when there's no gum to buy?

[the_13th_redneck]

By the way "The Game of their Lives" should have a sequel ;)

[yimmy]

I think once Kim Jong-il is out of power and the NK government itself collapses and South Korea is forced to go in for the rescue (a war could break out here as well) the truth of the sunshine policy will be revealed and there will be enormous outrage. First there may be wide attempts to cover up until words and rumours (both true and false) start trickling out, and then they realize it's too big to hide. It very well could be considered one of the world's worst humanitarian disasters, along with purges from the Soviet Union, Pol Pot's Cambodian death camps, Chinese Great Leap Forward and also the suger and water diets that Cubans often had to endure. Guess what all these disasters have in common.

I've also heard that there is cannibalism going on up there. And who's to doubt it? They've been starving forever. They're cutting up trees not to heat themselves, but to feed themselves. Starvation and massive poverty drive people crazy.

If the US decided to launch a pre-emptive strike against the North Koreans, assuming our military units don't stop obeying orders from the UN/US command, I think the fight itself will be quite short. The source of most casualties might be artillery strikes against Seoul.
The initial outrage against the US might fall short once the horrors of North Korea are revealed though. If conditions there are bad enough, we might actually end up asking ourselves, "why didn't we go sooner?"

The British program is called "The Game of Their Lives" and they have a website where u can order the video.

As for the place being clean and all, this is after a highly disciplined state. Any slacking off and it's off with your head. Communist countries generally are good at treating each building they build as a monument. I think I saw a video clip of the Pyongyang subway. It doesn't have many stops and it looks like a museum.
Also the lack of people, and further, the lack of things to buy will be another good reason why there's no litter anywhere. Who can stick gum under the desk when there's no gum to buy?


I think Kim Jong Il is grooming his son to be his heir apparent. I think his name is Kim Jung Nam. So it's quite possible that his son will just continue the regime after KJI is out of the picture.

I only wish that the truth of the sunshine policy would come out. I hope that history doesn't look too kindly on Kim Dae Jung after that.

As far as the conflict being really short, I'm not too sure. They have those missiles that could reach japan and south korea. Also a former director of the American CIA mentioned that north korea has the largest amount of special forces commandos in the world, like 100,000. Can you imagine what just one of those guys could do on a suicide mission to the general public of Japan, South Korea, or even America? It is truly frightening.

[skipshady]

I don't think the US will go in, at least not unprovoked. It's not just Pongyang's proximity to Seoul and Tokyo that Americans have to worry about. American involvement will disrupt the current uneasy peace with China, and that's one nation US doesn't want to get involved with.

[shenhua]

I love this place, i just saw a documentary about NK on Chinese TV, and the tour guides they have at the Juche tower are HOT!! Seriously north Korea doesn't look like too bad a place to live at all. The television crews were able to go into people's homes and see how they live, go to schools and hospitals and it seems like a fairly well off place.

[shenhua]

But the most chilling footage was from the North/South border, where opposing soldiers stood literally meters away from each other.

http://entertainment.msn.com/movies/movie.aspx?m=541402

On one side they had extremely disciplined soldiers standing perfectly still for hours on end and on the other there was a bunch of punks with funny sunglasses casually strolling around the place.

[the_13th_redneck]

My friend, welcome to the world of Communist propaganda.

I love this place, i just saw a documentary about NK on Chinese TV, and the tour guides they have at the Juche tower are HOT!! Seriously north Korea doesn't look like too bad a place to live at all. The television crews were able to go into people's homes and see how they live, go to schools and hospitals and it seems like a fairly well off place.

[skipshady]

I love this place, i just saw a documentary about NK on Chinese TV, and the tour guides they have at the Juche tower are HOT!! Seriously north Korea doesn't look like too bad a place to live at all. The television crews were able to go into people's homes and see how they live, go to schools and hospitals and it seems like a fairly well off place.
Well, they seem to put on a good show for outsiders. They say when you look north from the DMZ, you see these large farm houses with Mercedes Benz parked in the driveway, as if to say "We're so prosperous, even peasants own luxury cars!"

I just can't get over the lady cop, directing traffic when there are no cars around.

[the_13th_redneck]

Personally I think Kim Dae-jung borders on being a criminal himself. If anything, a criminal accomplice.

Anyways about their 100,000 Special Operations people. Yeah they are one really tough group but we have to consider the rest of the military. Those guys are toast.
Now the commandos... it's not unreasonable to believe that there are active squads already operating in South Korea and Japan. They will cause a world of hurt, but here's another key, the vast majority of them will be in bases in North Korea. That's just the inevitability. If these wherabouts can be spotted, maximum firepower can be brought down on them.
On the length of the war, it will depend on how loyal these guys are to the Kim Jong-il regime... that is the guerilla phase of the war.
Also the South Korean military's not a bad one either and consistently ranks as one of the best ones around the world.

There is one edge North Korea's fed population have over South Korea's, toughness.

I think Kim Jong Il is grooming his son to be his heir apparent. I think his name is Kim Jung Nam. So it's quite possible that his son will just continue the regime after KJI is out of the picture.

I only wish that the truth of the sunshine policy would come out. I hope that history doesn't look too kindly on Kim Dae Jung after that.

As far as the conflict being really short, I'm not too sure. They have those missiles that could reach japan and south korea. Also a former director of the American CIA mentioned that north korea has the largest amount of special forces commandos in the world, like 100,000. Can you imagine what just one of those guys could do on a suicide mission to the general public of Japan, South Korea, or even America? It is truly frightening.

[the_13th_redneck]

Well I'm sure he won't notice since he grew up with that stuff.

Well, they seem to put on a good show for outsiders. I hear stories that, when you look north from the DMZ, you see these large farm houses with Mercedes Benz parked in the driveway, as if their neighbors to the south will believe that the North is somehow prosperous.

[dreamer]

Well, they seem to put on a good show for outsiders. I hear stories that, when you look north from the DMZ, you see these large farm houses with Mercedes Benz parked in the driveway, as if their neighbors to the south will believe that the North is somehow prosperous.


LOL I'm sure they didn't stage all those beautiful girls.

A friend of mine married this hot hot North Korean girl and trust me my friend is not much of a catch at all. My friend said there're just too many beautiful girls in the North.