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greenlion
19 Sep 2004, 03:42 AM
Sirens to wail across China to mark 1931 Japan attack
18 Sep 2004 07:41:17 GMT

Source: Reuters
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People stopped driving in the street and wailing trumpet in 9:18 pm of sep 18th

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In Nanjing -where massacre happend

BEIJING, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Sirens will wail across more than 100 Chinese cities and cars will stop and honk their horns on Saturday to commemorate the 73rd anniversary of the start of Japan's invasion of China, state media said.

Many Chinese harbour deep resentment of Japan's wartime past and what they see as its failure to own up to atrocities. Beijing estimates up to 35 million Chinese were killed or wounded by invading Japanese troops from 1931 to 1945.

Cities from Hangzhou in the east coast to the Tibetan capital of Lhasa in the Himalayas were due to take part in the commemoration of the "Mukden Incident" on Sept. 18, 1931, when Japanese troops began occupying northeast China, then known as Manchuria.

The anniversary takes on bigger significance this year because Saturday is National Defence Education Day, which falls on the third Saturday of September and on which sirens are traditionally sounded in major cities.

Some sirens went off at 9.18 a.m. (0118 GMT), while others were timed for 9:18 p.m. (1318 GMT), for instance in the northeastern city of Shenyang, formerly Mukden, officials said by telephone. The time represents the 18th day of the ninth month.

The Beijing Youth Daily newspaper said cars would stop in the street at 9.18 p.m. and sound their horns.

It showed a picture of students of Laoshan Primary School, Shandong province, holding a banner at "Yangkou landing point of Japanese invading troops".

The banner read: "Keep firm the memory of history and never forget about national humiliation."

A handful of protesters gathered outside the Japanese Embassy in Beijing, waving flags and banners and denouncing Japanese wartime aggression.

Xia Shuqin, 75, a Chinese survivor of the Nanjing Massacre, has sued two Japanese writers for disputing her story that as an eight-year-old she was stabbed by a Japanese soldier and hid in a room full of dead bodies with her four-year-old sister for 14 days.

The defamation suit, which began on Wednesday, was the first of its kind, the China Daily newspaper said.

China says 300,000 civilians died in the 1937 Nanjing Massacre when Japanese imperial troops overran the Chinese Nationalist capital.

Diplomatic ties between China and Japan have often been frayed by Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi's annual visits to a Shinto shrine for Japan's war dead as well as disputes over sovereignty of a cluster of tiny islands in the East China Sea.

But the two Asian giants have moved to strengthen ties in the face of the North Korean nuclear crisis. Trade is booming and China is eager to attract Japanese investment and tourists, while Japan has its eye on the vast mainland market.

China's loss to Japan in the Asian Cup soccer final in August fuelled anti-Japanese sentiment. Vice Foreign Minister Wang Yi has since been appointed ambassador to Japan in a bid to mend ties.

On Thursday, China rejected a proposal by a Japanese private advisory panel to Koizumi that the world's most populous nation be described as a military threat, saying it posed no danger to its smaller neighbour.

China is one of the world's nuclear powers and its People's Liberation Army is the world's biggest with 2.5 million men and women.

China marks 1931 invasion

AP
BEIJING: China allowed a brief protest outside the Japanese embassy and planned to sound sirens in more than 100 cities yesterday as it commemorated the start of Japan's 1931 invasion amid official unease at Tokyo's new diplomatic and military ambitions.

The official commemorations were the biggest to date and came at a time of rising anti-Japanese sentiment, stoked by a communist government that regarded Japan as its rival for regional superpower status.

In Beijing, police let 20 protesters gather outside the Japanese embassy. They held banners opposing Tokyo's bid for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council and its claim to a disputed island chain.

“The Chinese people who have fully suffered the wounds of Japanese militarism must strain every nerve to be vigilant!” one protester, Zhang Jianyong, said through a loudspeaker.

The demonstrators marched away after a few minutes waving Chinese flags and singing the national anthem. Zhang sounded a hand-cranked siren at 9.18am – representing the Sept 18 date of the 1931 invasion – but it was quickly confiscated by police.

Cities throughout China also planned to sound air-raid sirens and hold public ceremonies.

The attack on the north-eastern city of Shenyang, then known as Mukden, led to Japan's occupation of China's north-east. That was followed in 1937 by the occupation of much of China that lasted until Tokyo's 1945 surrender at the end of World War II.

Many Chinese resented what they regarded as Japan's failure to atone for its aggression and millions of Chinese deaths.

The communist government keeps memories of the “Mukden Incident” alive through state media and schoolbooks and uses the date to rally nationalism. It was designated “National Defence Education Day” four years ago.

In Shenyang, several thousand people were expected to attend an hour-long memorial service at the city's monument to the invasion, according to the local government.

greenlion
19 Sep 2004, 03:50 AM
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Chinese demonstrators march through a street during an anti-Japanese demonstration in Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province, September 18, 2004. Air raid sirens wailed across China on Saturday as the country marked the 73rd anniversary of the start of Japan's invasion, state media said. REUTERS/China Photos

dreamer
20 Sep 2004, 10:29 PM
Chinese demonstrators march through a street during an anti-Japanese demonstration in Chengdu, the capital of Sichuan province, September 18, 2004. Air raid sirens wailed across China on Saturday as the country marked the 73rd anniversary of the start of Japan's invasion, state media said.


Was there a movie released on that day, a movie that's Schindler's List kind of caliber? A beautifully made film gets the message across 100 times better than sounding all the sirens in the world.

China has to develop its movie industry and lead the popular culture trend, the way the Jewish people have been doing, in order to make presenting its case easier. When you do that, people will flock to your defense, people like Junjunforever, who's granted, a nice guy by nature, went to the Jewish people's defense as soon as somebody said something wrong about the Isreali athletes in another thread. We haven't seen one well-made internationally released movie about the horrors the Chinese endured during War War II, whereas there're at least 100 movies about the Jewish experience in World War II. Yet, tens of millions more Chinese died during WW II than Jews.

Greenlion please take this as a well intentioned advice to and not a random criticism on the Chinese film industry. As much as an American, I'm also a Chinese, always.

yimmy
20 Sep 2004, 11:11 PM
Was there a movie released on that day, a movie that's Schindler's List kind of caliber? A beautifully made film gets the message across 100 times better than sounding all the sirens in the world.

China has to develop its movie industry and lead the popular culture trend, the way the Jewish people have been doing, in order to make presenting its case easier. When you do that, people will flock to your defense, people like Junjunforever, who's granted, a nice guy by nature, went to the Jewish people's defense as soon as somebody said something wrong about the Isreali athletes in another thread. We haven't seen one well-made internationally released movie about the horrors the Chinese endured during War War II, whereas there're at least 100 movies about the Jewish experience in World War II. Yet, tens of millions more Chinese died during WW II than Jews.

Greenlion please take this as a well intentioned advice to and not a random criticism on the Chinese film industry. As much as an American, I'm also a Chinese, always.

I heard that a chinese director was going to make a movie about the Nanjing Massacre. Does anyone know if that's true?

Soju Gorae
21 Sep 2004, 04:07 AM
I can only see Ang Lee or Chen Kaige directing a movie based on the Nanjing Massacre.

Zhang Yimou would be great, but these days, he's got commercialism stuck so far up his ass, I can't see him returning back to his roots in making masterpieces like Ju Dou or To Live.

the_13th_redneck
21 Sep 2004, 09:28 AM
Get Koreans to make it ;)

skipshady
21 Sep 2004, 11:44 AM
Zhang Yimou would be great, but these days, he's got commercialism stuck so far up his ass, I can't see him returning back to his roots in making masterpieces like Ju Dou or To Live.I don't know, I think it was pretty clever of him to get the Chinese government to approve Hero, which mocked the government in a backhanded way.

Txtriathlete
21 Sep 2004, 02:12 PM
Damn, burning flags is so backwards thinking. That image is just sad.

dreamer
21 Sep 2004, 03:42 PM
Damn, burning flags is so backwards thinking. That image is just sad.

It's an honest expression of how they feel over the Japanese brutality in WWII and more recently Koizumi's repeated visits to the war shrine of the Nazis of Asia (Tojo % co.), and it's peaceful enough so I don't see a problem with it.

But, still wish they could've done it more stylishly, so even a bystanding Iranian like you sir could see where the real sadness is.

dreamer
21 Sep 2004, 04:11 PM
I heard that a chinese director was going to make a movie about the Nanjing Massacre. Does anyone know if that's true?

Before they could make a Schindler's List, they'll need to find or train a Steven Spielberg, a master story teller who also happens to be a dreamer with real movie making abilities. A genius who's both idealistic and practical at the same time is hard to come by. :)

Txtriathlete
21 Sep 2004, 04:18 PM
It's an honest expression of how they feel over the Japanese brutality in WWII and more recently Koizumi's repeated visits to the war shrine of the Nazis of Asia (Tojo % co.), and it's peaceful enough so I don't see a problem with it.

But, still wish they could've done it more stylishly, so even a bystanding Iranian like you sir could see where the real sadness is.

Oh trust me, i know all about flag burning, In Iran they burn the israeli flag on a daily basis... Im sure they have thier reasons for doing so. I personally believe that a flag is a very patriotic icon and to burn it regardless of the 'style' used is very distateful.
Be it any flag for any reason.
Just expressing my very own personal opinion.

dreamer
21 Sep 2004, 04:29 PM
Oh trust me, i know all about flag burning, In Iran they burn the israeli flag on a daily basis... Im sure they have thier reasons for doing so. I personally believe that a flag is a very patriotic icon and to burn it regardless of the 'style' used is very distateful.
Be it any flag for any reason.
Just expressing my very own personal opinion.

I trust you, and you're welcome to express your opinions. Just wish your opinions would've been a little bit more sensitive. But you're what you're and I have no plan in changing you.

Please don't draw parallel to the Iranian Israeli situation here. First, Iran didn't suffer at the hands of the Israelis anything even romotely close to what the Chinese suffered at the hands of the invading Japanese. Second, the Chinese don't burn flags on a daily basis, but the 9/18 anniversary is a very very special day to them and even on this anniversary day they haven't burned any thing for decades until recently after Koizumi started his series of Nazi worshipping trips and announced his intention of doing so again and again in the near future.

yimmy
21 Sep 2004, 07:05 PM
I trust you, and you're welcome to express your opinions. Just wish your opinions would've been a little bit more sensitive. But you're what you're and I have no plan in changing you.

Please don't draw parallel to the Iranian Israeli situation here. First, Iran didn't suffer at the hands of the Israelis anything even romotely close to what the Chinese suffered at the hands of the invading Japanese. Second, the Chinese don't burn flags on a daily basis, but the 9/18 anniversary is a very very special day to them and even on this anniversary day they haven't burned any thing for decades until recently after Koizumi started his series of Nazi worshipping trips and announced his intention of doing so again and again in the near future.

I think that it would piss me off too if Shintaro Ishihara said that the Nanking massacre was a lie but I wouldn't burn the Japanese flag because of it. Hell, there are still some who claim that Korean comfort women weren't forced into sexual slavery but got paid very well. It makes me angry too but I don't take it out on the entire country. There are a lot of everyday Japanese people who are very sorry for what happened and it's not their fault that Japan did what it did many years ago.

In my humble opinion, flag burning still doesn't help. Look at all of those kids in the background. How much do you wanna bet they're gonna grow up hating everyone who comes from Japan?

dreamer
21 Sep 2004, 07:36 PM
Helps of not I don't know. But it's definitely a popular form of expression. And the target of what the Chinese tried to express against is not the Japaense people, but instead, the Japanese war criminals and the worshippers of these criminals.

Just as these people in the picture below are not trying to disrespect everyday Americans, but instead, Bush the real terrorist. And I don't think the kids in the background of this picture would grow up hating everything America. You can rest assured.
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yimmy
21 Sep 2004, 07:44 PM
Helps of not I don't know. But it's definitely a popular form of expression.
These people are not trying to disrespect everyday Americans, instead, Bush.



Yeah, it is definitely a popular form of expression. Unfortunately, I don't think that hating Bush is a good excuse for burning the American flag. I think that the American flag stands for a lot more than Bush.

On an unrelated note, I also remember from my days in the Boy Scouts that if the American flag touches the ground, it is proper etiquette to burn it. I think it is also appropriate to burn it when it has become too tattered and worn out, but I'm not too sure about that one.

Txtriathlete
22 Sep 2004, 10:30 AM
Yeah im really not a flag burner, as im sure i can easily justify burning an iraqi flag.

But that burning American flag burning because of Bush has got to be the most retarted thing ever. He is the president and a flag is not a sign of the president but that of a country and its people and everything that their fore fathers have achieved. Its just a shame.

dreamer
22 Sep 2004, 11:16 AM
But that burning American flag burning because of Bush has got to be the most retarted thing ever. He is the president and a flag is not a sign of the president but that of a country and its people and everything that their fore fathers have achieved. Its just a shame.


I disagree. Freedom of speech is exactly what the founding fathers fought for. When someone starts criticizing other people's way of excercising their rights to freedom of speech as a shame, it gets dangerous. Next thing you know a certain form of speech will be deemed inappropriate or even outlawed, and the Reich way of speaking will be the only glorious way to speak.

But, of course, it's your right to speak your mind, now that we're still all enjoying the freedom of speech.

Txtriathlete
22 Sep 2004, 11:28 AM
I disagree. Freedom of speech is exactly what the founding fathers fought for. When someone starts criticizing other people's way of excercising their rights to freedom of speech as a shame, it gets dangerous. Next thing you know a certain form of speech will be deemed inappropriate or even outlawed, and the Reich way of speaking will be the only glorious way to speak.

But, of course, it's your right to speak your mind, now that we're still all enjoying the freedom of speech.

Absolutely. Freedon is freedom... however would it not be mopre appropriate to perhaps burn Bush's picture than to burn the country's flag? if thats who they are pissed off at?
Just a thought.

dreamer
22 Sep 2004, 11:37 AM
Absolutely. Freedon is freedom... however would it not be mopre appropriate to perhaps burn Bush's picture than to burn the country's flag? if thats who they are pissed off at?
Just a thought.

....and may very well be a good thought, depending on exactly what kind of message these people are trying to deliver. But whatever they try to say, it's their rights and as long as they're doing it within the laws, no matter how strongly I may diagree with them, I would never call them shameful. In fact, I'd feel very happy because of the fact that I live in a place where freedom of speech is not just for a previliged few who have the "good taste" about what is a shame and what is not.