No Offside on Throwin, but.....

[irod]

The team with the ball (offense) has a player lined up in an offside position.

The throwin is thrown towards this player.

After the ball is released from the thrower, a defensive player jumps up and unfortunately heads the ball towards the offensive player in the offside position.

Question....
If the player who is lined up offside receives the header, and is still in an offside position, I believe there is no offside. Correct?

If, after the defensive header, the ball glances off another offensive player (who is not in an offside position) to the player in an offside position, I believe this is offside. Correct?

For arguments sake, assume an advantage is gained when the player in the offside position receives the ball.

Thanks for the clarification....

Irod

[Statesman]

If you are not a referee, you should become one, because you already know what you are talking about :)

[irod]

If you are not a referee, you should become one, because you already know what you are talking about :)

Well, this happened yesterday in my son's high school game. I could not tell if there was a deflection by the opposing (offense) team or not. I do know that my son's team (defense) did the header thing. The call was off sides and the opposing team's parents/spectators went ballistic, yelling that there is no offsides on a throwin.

I try to give the ref the benefit of doubt no matter what, as he calls what he sees or doesn't see as the case may be. Certainly possible there was a deflection by the offense that the ref saw or thought he saw. Side line ref was on the opposite half of the field, so he did not offer any help.

Thanks!

Irod

[Crowdie]

After the ball is released from the thrower, a defensive player jumps up and unfortunately heads the ball towards the offensive player in the offside position.

You cannot be offside when the ball was last played by a defender (not including deflections) so the attacking player cannot be offside.

Similar situation for you to think about:

Attacker A1 takes an attacking throw and Defender D1 and A2 both go up to head the ball and it hits the top of A2's head and continues on its path to A3 in an offside position. Should A3 be penalised for being offside?

[HoldenMan]

The touch that counts is the attacking team touch - the last touch by the attacking team before it reached the offside player.

As the last touch by the attacking team was a throw in, it mean that there can be no offsides.

In any offside judgement a deflection or miscontrol by the defence is completely irrelevant.

No offence, play on.

[IASocFan]

The team with the ball (offense) has a player lined up in an offside position.

The throwin is thrown towards this player.

After the ball is released from the thrower, a defensive player jumps up and unfortunately heads the ball towards the offensive player in the offside position.

Question....
If the player who is lined up offside receives the header, and is still in an offside position, I believe there is no offside. Correct?

If, after the defensive header, the ball glances off another offensive player (who is not in an offside position) to the player in an offside position, I believe this is offside. Correct?

For arguments sake, assume an advantage is gained when the player in the offside position receives the ball.

Thanks for the clarification....

Irod

You are correct in both situations.

Well, this happened yesterday in my son's high school game. I could not tell if there was a deflection by the opposing (offense) team or not. I do know that my son's team (defense) did the header thing. The call was off sides and the opposing team's parents/spectators went ballistic, yelling that there is no offsides on a throwin.

I suspect the referee saw it differently. :cool:

[jkc313]

Your understanding of offside is spot on. As my fellow refs point out, the opponent deflecting the ball doesn't matter. If the teammate that received the ball last touched by his fellow attacker was in offside position when ball last touched teammate, he would be offside. perhaps this is what the referee saw