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Chicago1871
15 Sep 2002, 06:42 PM
This is nitpicking a little bit, but I found it a little annoying that when Perez had his jersey torn he quickly replaced it...with an unnumbered one [for about 10 minutes till they got him one with name and number].
If I recall when Stoitchkov subbed in his first game back, he entered the field with no name or number on the back and was quickly sent off till an artistic member of the Fire drew and "8" on the back of a jersey.

I myself am a ref, but do not recall the regulations reguarding this kind of situation. Does anyone know the rules and regulations for this?

In the sceme of things this means less than nothing, but I am curious.

GlennAA11
15 Sep 2002, 07:40 PM
I imagine the league probably has some sort of rule or guideline on this. The Laws do not require numbers, but most leagues have a rule.

Adrian
15 Sep 2002, 08:24 PM
Considering how it got ripped off, I think common sense was applied. If the laws say otherwise, well I don't care.

RushOnze
16 Sep 2002, 08:17 AM
league policy has a unnumbered jersey on the bench for a blood on uniform situation until the right number is brought from locker room if there is one.

jc508
16 Sep 2002, 11:07 AM
You may also recall that there was no foul called when Perez' shirt was torn completely from his back. I recall his holding his shirt back out to the side to show the referee asking why no foul was called.

I believe he changed into a numbered shirt in the second half.

Flyer Fan
16 Sep 2002, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by jc508
You may also recall that there was no foul called when Perez' shirt was torn completely from his back. I recall his holding his shirt back out to the side to show the referee asking why no foul was called.

I believe he changed into a numbered shirt in the second half. There wasn't a call right away as the play happened behind Kevin Terry's back. However, at the next stoppage, Terry consulted with the AR and the fourth official and then showed Nowak (I think) a yellow for that play I believe.

ZipSix
16 Sep 2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Flyer Fan
There wasn't a call right away as the play happened behind Kevin Terry's back. However, at the next stoppage, Terry consulted with the AR and the fourth official and then showed Nowak (I think) a yellow for that play I believe.


And, like sunlight, knowledge and understanding has decended upon this thread.

Chicago1871
17 Sep 2002, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by ZipSix
And, like sunlight, knowledge and understanding has decended upon this thread.
I didn't think it was possible to say so little in one sentence.

The question was not why the jersey got ripped, who ripped it, why was a card given. I saw the play, I saw the infraction, and agreed with the booking.

Back to the subject at hand:
I consulted a family friend who lives in England who officiates lower level league games over there. He said it was his understanding that with a case like this the player should immediatly change and leave the field while doing so. If a numbered jersey is not worn, it is the referees discretion whether or not to let him back on. He pointed out that lower level leagues tend not to take this too seriously, but a Premiership ref would most likely not allow the player back on until a numbered jersey was worn.

Kaiser
17 Sep 2002, 12:37 AM
Why wasn't a second jersey, one with his name and number available on the sidelines or in the locker room? The MLS is supposed top be a pro league. Any player in one of the big four leagus hasusually 3 or 4 jerseys available at the ready. These jerseys are supplied by a major sportswear manufacturer. MLS should be no different. Being in the sporting goods business I can have an official MLS jersey ready in 2 minutes. Things like this make MLS feel like a second rate league compared to the big four in this country. There's no excuse for it.

monop_poly
19 Sep 2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by Kaiser
Why wasn't a second jersey, one with his name and number available on the sidelines or in the locker room? The MLS is supposed top be a pro league. Any player in one of the big four leagus hasusually 3 or 4 jerseys available at the ready. These jerseys are supplied by a major sportswear manufacturer. MLS should be no different. Being in the sporting goods business I can have an official MLS jersey ready in 2 minutes. Things like this make MLS feel like a second rate league compared to the big four in this country. There's no excuse for it.

... and you would have thought Chicago, of all teams, would make sure to have an extra jersey on hand, given that Stoichkov looked ridiculous when he came on against San Jose with the "little 8" earlier this year.