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bojendyk
14 Sep 2004, 11:53 AM
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/13/coburn/index.html

According to records obtained by Salon, Coburn filed an apparently fraudulent Medicaid claim in 1990, which he admitted in his own testimony in a civil malpractice suit brought against him 14 years ago by a former female patient. The suit alleged that Coburn had sterilized her without her consent. It eventually was dismissed after the plaintiff failed to appear for the trial. In his sworn testimony, Coburn admitted he sterilized the then 20-year-old woman without securing her written consent as required by law. He blamed the omission on a clerical error, but maintained that he had her oral consent for the procedure. (Salon has been unable to contact the woman and is withholding her name out of respect for her privacy.) Coburn also revealed under oath that he had charged the procedure to Medicaid -- despite knowing that Medicaid, also known as Title 19, does not cover the cost of sterilization for anyone under age 21.

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Medical fraud has been one of Coburn's signature issues. In his freshman term, he introduced the Health Care Anti-Fraud Act of 1995, which focused mainly on Medicare fraud but also touched on Medicaid. Speaking on the House floor on behalf of a Republican Medicare bill that year, Coburn said, "Our goal is to eliminate fraud and abuse. The way we do that is to make sure we change the expectation of those who are defrauding and abusing; that we, in fact, will catch them. If we change that expectation, then we will limit greatly the amount of people, and number of people, who attempt to defraud."



A year later, Coburn gained a moment of national attention when he condemned NBC for televising the Academy Award-winning movie on the Holocaust "Schindler's List." According to Coburn, the film encouraged "irresponsible sexual behavior," and he called for outrage against the network from "parents and decent-minded individuals everywhere." He added, "I cringe when I realize that there were children all across this nation watching this program." Even conservative avatar William Bennett felt compelled to rebuke him: "These are very unfortunate and foolish comments."



So, Okies, how is this guy perceived out there?

Nogra Rover
14 Sep 2004, 01:29 PM
My favorite of this race thus far:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14832-2004Sep11.html

"The most recent remark that Coburn has had to explain is noting that the choice between him and his opponent, Democratic Rep. Brad Carson, is one between 'good and evil.' "

Matrim55
03 Oct 2004, 11:56 AM
These two folks were on Meet the Press this morning, and the race is probably best described as bizarre. On a lot of issues, Carson seems a lot more conservative than Coburn. But when it comes to abortion (abortion doctors should be summarily executed) and Jews (Schindler's List is disgusting propaganda), Coburn is in Pat Robertson territory.

Any Okies out there to comment? Segroves, I know you've got an opinion...

Guinho
03 Oct 2004, 12:00 PM
Segroves, I know you've got an opinion...

I wouldn't be too surprised if Segroves turned out to BE Coburn. Sounds right up his alley.

G.

352klr
03 Oct 2004, 01:35 PM
I touched on this a little in the 'Kerry Associations Hurts Dems' thread or whatever it is entitled. My location is merely where I go to school, but I'm from OKC and have been watching this race quit attentively.

Coburn is, quite simply, a disastrous candidate. He would not bring a single dime to the state and would merely be an embarassment to the state. Carson, on the other hand, is a Republican in Democrats clothing for the most part. There is no way he will be able to be a lock-step member of the Democratic Party if elected and hope to be elected to a second term. It will only cause problems for him within the party so it would be no surprise if he switched parties. He doesn't want to, but he may end up being forced to.



Coburn was up around 9 percent in the polls right before I left(begining of September) and in the latest, was down by 5. Carson has been playing up his support of Bush by voting for some of his tax-cuts. It's been working, along with him finally starting a negative ad campaign against Coburn.

Now, for the best part of the race, please read the following article about independent candidate Sheila Bilyeu. It is the best article you will read about an election this year. http://newsok.com/article/1310895/?template=home/main

Among the highlights-
"In the 1990s, Bilyeu unsuccessfully sued Ponca City schools, game show host Alex Trebek, CBS anchor Dan Rather and others.

She would not discuss her lawsuit against Trebek. She said Rather did not use her name on the news, but "was making insinuations about me -- that I was a whore or something."

nicephoras
03 Oct 2004, 02:33 PM
Are you voting for Bush then, or still mulling it over? I think you know where you can die (hint - its hot) if you say Nader.

peledre
03 Oct 2004, 02:36 PM
Carson is an interesting democrat. It's funny how in SD, Daschle is distancing himself from Kerry, which I imagine Carson is doing as well, but Carson is also trying to distance himself from Daschle and H. Clinton.

Carson saying he isn't a democrat in the Hillary Clinton-Tom Daschle mold. (http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6106806/)

nicephoras
03 Oct 2004, 03:22 PM
You only found that because of the Daschle reference, didn't you? ;)

352klr
03 Oct 2004, 03:41 PM
I don't think that Carson will ever switch parties. He's democrat in the same way that Clinton was. Which is a old time republican in moderate drag. It doesn't hurt Carson the fact that he's a Cherokee and as I told one of the dirty liberal NY posters around here in a PM that he rudely didn't reply to, the Five Civilized Tribes and pretty much all of the smaller ones have tossed alot of money into his campaign.

It's my hope that he will win and either him or the current Oklahoma governor will eventually filter their way into national Democratic positions in a 2nd coming of Clinton type of way without all of the hummers from the chubby interns baggage.

I'm voting an almost straight Dem ticket except for President.

Brad Henry doesn't have what it takes to make it to the national level. He should thank god Mr.Turnpike ran as well as Largent is dumb as dirt (why is it that everyone Tom Cole backs loses?hmm) His greatest similarity to Clinton is his wife is an egomaniacal bitch who is a very big driving force behind him. In fact, she's pretty much the driving force. Carson, on the other hand, does have what it takes. He is one ambitious SOB, to the point where someone who has been a prominent booster for OK dems for a long time told me that Carson has ambition to the point that it will be what ends his career, e.g. he oversteps his boundaries in an ill-conceived political move. And as for the party switch, he doesn't want to but realizes he may have to at some point, especially if Kerry does get elected. THe party switch will effectively end his national ambitions however.

peledre
03 Oct 2004, 04:02 PM
You only found that because of the Daschle reference, didn't you? ;)
Of course, I'm all over anything that could remotely be regarded as negative for Daschle :)

Chesco United
25 Oct 2004, 10:27 PM
I'm hearing that the Carson-Coburn race is going very negative. Any thoughts from our Oklahoma contingent?

CrewDust
26 Oct 2004, 01:06 AM
My favorite of this race thus far:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14832-2004Sep11.html

"The most recent remark that Coburn has had to explain is noting that the choice between him and his opponent, Democratic Rep. Brad Carson, is one between 'good and evil.' "

These are the quotes I love. Voting for the other guy will send you straight to HELL!

Chesco United
03 Nov 2004, 01:25 AM
Coburn wins. My condolences, Segroves.