Once Again Jeb Bush Gives His Finger To The Florida Judiciary

[TheSlipperyOne]

Once again I can't say this is unbelievable because it's Florida and Dubya's brother, but this just gets worse and worse and even more disturbing.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040913/ts_nm/campaign_florida_dc

[Finnegan]

Once again I can't say this is unbelievable because it's Florida and Dubya's brother, but this just gets worse and worse and even more disturbing.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040913/ts_nm/campaign_florida_dc


Will to Power. Will to Power. Will to Power.

The Bush family dynasty will do anything to stay in power and this is another outrageous example of their actions. Do you really think that if there wasn't a hurricane it wouldn't be something else?

I want ONE REEP on this board to defend this. ONE.

They can't and they won't bother because Reeps who know about stuff like this stay quiet cause they just don't give a crap about perserving our democracy. The ends justify the means in their world. Jeb doesn't care and neither does his brother or all of the people supporting him.

As a side note - I think there are ALOT of well meaning Americans who genuinely support Bush but are ignorant of outrageous stunts like this. I am convinced that at least 20% of Republicans who are planning to vote for Bush would think twice if they had all the facts in front of them. I gotta believe that.

But the main question is:

Why does Bushco they hate America our constiution and everything it stands for?

P.S. - If Nader had a sack he would tell the Florida elections officials to stop this crap until the court rules on Weds. Of course Nader lost his sack a long time ago and Karl Rove is keeping it well preserved in formaldehyde in his office but that is for a different discussion.

[nsa]

I want ONE REEP on this board to defend this. ONE.
Deafening silence.

[Ian McCracken]

I want ONE REEP on this board to defend this. ONE.


Huh? I read your reply before I clicked on the link and I thought maybe Jeb Bush might've done something outrageous. Instead, I find that he did absolutely the right thing. I'm shocked that you don't want the will of every voter to be considered. Here's a newsflash for you: Just because Nader's name is on the ballot doesn't mean you or anyone else has to vote for him. You are trying to suppress the vote, typical liberal.

[Chicago1871]

Huh? I read your reply before I clicked on the link and I thought maybe Jeb Bush might've done something outrageous. Instead, I find that he did absolutely the right thing. I'm shocked that you don't want the will of every voter to be considered. Here's a newsflash for you: Just because Nader's name is on the ballot doesn't mean you or anyone else has to vote for him. You are trying to suppress the vote, typical liberal.
I don't care which side of the partisan divide you're on, if you have an honest bone in your body you know this was the wrong way to go about this.

[Ian McCracken]

I don't care which side of the partisan divide you're on, if you have an honest bone in your body you know this was the wrong way to go about this.

I believe in giving voters MORE options rather than LESS, as opposed to Finnegan. Overseas absentee ballots have to be mailed by Saturday. Once again, the liberals are trying to deny members of the military the chance to have their vote fairly represented.

[Chicago1871]

I believe in giving voters MORE options rather than LESS, as opposed to Finnegan. Overseas absentee ballots have to be mailed by Saturday. Once again, the liberals are trying to deny members of the military the chance to have their vote fairly represented.
Jeb and Co. went over the head of a court injunction. What they did, while not illegal was not in good form.

[Roel]

The rules don't apply to the Bush family.

[Ted Cikowski]

Jeb and Co. went over the head of a court injunction. What they did, while not illegal was not in good form.


of course the Democrats doing everything in thier power to keep Ralph Nader off the ballots everywhere is a shining example of freedom and democracy.

[Chicago1871]

of course the Democrats doing everything in thier power to keep Ralph Nader off the ballots everywhere is a shining example of freedom and democracy.
I'm not defending the Dems.

[Roel]

Huh? I read your reply before I clicked on the link and I thought maybe Jeb Bush might've done something outrageous. Instead, I find that he did absolutely the right thing. I'm shocked that you don't want the will of every voter to be considered. Here's a newsflash for you: Just because Nader's name is on the ballot doesn't mean you or anyone else has to vote for him. You are trying to suppress the vote, typical liberal.

This is incredibly disingenious.

Nader did not qualify for the Florida ballot. He is getting put on the ballot by the governor's decree.

Official Republican policy in Michigan is to suppress the black vote. From personal experience, I've seen Republican's roughing up Hispanics in Orange County to prevent them from voting. The Diebold CEO has promised to "deliver" Ohio votes to Bush. And so on.

Jeb is manipulating the situation. If it is a "will of the people' thingy, why can't I get my name printed on the California ballot? Or why can't we get John McCain's instead of that Wuss the Republicans are currently running?

[christopher d]

I don't care which side of the partisan divide you're on, if you have an honest bone in your body you know this was the wrong way to go about this.
What he said.

I know this will shock many of you, but this liberal is all for Ralph getting on as many ballots as he can. But Jeb's using this 'cause he thinks it's going to rig the election for his brother. Shenanigans.

On the other hand, many other states seem to accept the Reform Party's nomination as enough for Ralph's name to go on the ballot.


of course the Democrats doing everything in thier power to keep Ralph Nader off the ballots everywhere is a shining example of freedom and democracy.
Taken in the spirit it was given, what he said.

[Caesar]

As a result, she said, Florida's Department of State had filed an appeal against the temporary injunction. The appeal application automatically lifts the injunction, allowing the counties to put Nader's name on overseas absentee ballots, which must be mailed by Saturday.A legal system which allows an injunction granted by a judge to be lifted merely by the lodgement of an appeal is wrong. Until shown otherwise, the ruling of the judge concerned is - for all intents and purposes - correct, and should be treated as such.

I can't condone the ethics of the matter, but it's loopholes like this that cause these problems.

[br13]

Once again I can't say this is unbelievable because it's Florida and Dubya's brother, but this just gets worse and worse and even more disturbing.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=1&u=/nm/20040913/ts_nm/campaign_florida_dc

Darn democracy - the bane of the ruling class. :rolleyes:

I (as SObearCAL posted) am a liberal who wants Nader and David Cobb on the ballots in all 50 states. How about the Democrats try to win Nader and Cobb's votes instead of keeping them off ballots?

However, I'm smart enough to acknowledge that this:
"I am astounded that Jeb Bush is willing to defy the judiciary to help his brother." is a typical dirty republicon way to go about things. But NO ONE should be astounded that the Bush kids would be willing to do this.

Nader on the ballot - good for democracy.
The way it came about - dirty republicon scheming.

[superdave]

I (as SObearCAL posted) am a liberal who wants Nader and David Cobb on the ballots in all 50 states. How about the Democrats try to win Nader and Cobb's votes instead of keeping them off ballots?
Allow me to turn that around...how about you slack, no-showering, granola eaters get Nader on the ballot yourselves, and not get the GOPs to do your work for you?

The fact that it's hard-right elements who are bankrolling and signaturerolling the Nader campaign erases any moral qualms I might have, and ought to trigger them in you. This particular Nader campaign is corrupt at the heart.

[Claymore]

So now that the hurricane looks like it's headed for Louisiana, will they allow the hearing on the permanent injunction? Don't hold your breath.

[Barbara]

I believe in giving voters MORE options rather than LESS, as opposed to Finnegan. Overseas absentee ballots have to be mailed by Saturday. Once again, the liberals are trying to deny members of the military the chance to have their vote fairly represented.


Would you feel the same way if the candidate in question was more likely to take votes from Bush than Kerry?

Please think carefully and try to answer as honestly as you can.

[br13]

Allow me to turn that around...how about you slack, no-showering, granola eaters get Nader on the ballot yourselves, and not get the GOPs to do your work for you?

The fact that it's hard-right elements who are bankrolling and signaturerolling the Nader campaign erases any moral qualms I might have, and ought to trigger them in you. This particular Nader campaign is corrupt at the heart.
I'm not going to argue with that or try to argue that Nader's campaign is not benefiting all over (not just Florida) by the GOP who are running scared, hoping to siphon votes off of Kerry. Nader should not be accepting such "help". I think in my response above I noted that the way this is coming about IS dirty.

However, like I said - I want to see Kerry go win the Nader voters, not keep him off the ballot.

Oh, and I did shower this morning! :D

[superdave]

I think in my response above I noted that the way this is coming about IS dirty.

Sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were referring to this dictatorial fait by Jeb, specifically, not the whole enterprise.

However, like I said - I want to see Kerry go win the Nader voters, not keep him off the ballot.

It was one thing to say to Gore in 2000, hey, Nader's core message is that there's little difference between you and Bush, prove him wrong and win their votes. There was some value, some heft in that viewpoint.

But in 2004, IMO, there are 3 types of people who are buying Nader's core message. There are people who are stupid and/or irrational. If Kerry wanted to win them over, he'd be Bush. There is a small group (even in the context of Nader supporters) who are so far left that, for them, it's really true that there's little difference between Bush and Kerry, but Kerry can't win them over without alienating me and everyone to my right. Finally, there's a group of people for whom voting isn't about choosing leaders, it's about some kind of new age self-realization bullsh**. They're hopeless.

[Ted Cikowski]

Would you feel the same way if the candidate in question was more likely to take votes from Bush than Kerry?

Please think carefully and try to answer as honestly as you can.


I would.


Honestly we should have at least 4 legit choices every election....republicans, democrats, greens and libertarians.


Let's face it, the Democrats have played dirty in trying to keep Nader off the ballots.

The Republicans have played dirty in trying to keep Nader on the ballots.


Neither side really has any claim to higher morality as far as this particular issue goes.