2006 Stadia

[Doc_Aeppler]

WALDSTADION:
the entertainment-cube is coming in this week! well the structure of it anyways, havent seen any screens yet...
http://www.neues-waldstadion.de/de/galerie/gal/Umbaudokumentation/2005/2005-04-13/L1090411.JPG

unfortunately the heavy machinery plus the fact that the Galaxy is playing again isnt exactly good for the gras...
Before: (last friday)
http://www.neues-waldstadion.de/de/webcam/cam2/2005/04/08/07/45/200504080745.jpg
After:
http://www.neues-waldstadion.de/de/webcam/cam2/2005/04/10/10/45/200504101045.jpg

[F96]

Allianz Arena almost finished:

http://www.allianz-arena.de/imperia/md/images/allianzarena2003/bildergalerien/rasen_160405/19.jpg

[schoppi]

Allianz Arena is done
http://img49.echo.cx/img49/5465/81zm.th.jpg (http://img49.echo.cx/my.php?image=81zm.jpg) http://img49.echo.cx/img49/8618/138bm.th.jpg (http://img49.echo.cx/my.php?image=138bm.jpg) http://img49.echo.cx/img49/5906/20vd.th.jpg (http://img49.echo.cx/my.php?image=20vd.jpg)
Grand oppening is going to be on 30./31. Mai 2005 with games of:
1860 München vs 1.Fc Nürnberg (30.05)
FC Bayern München vs Deutschland (31.05)

[F96]

Impressive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/Hannoi/77e5295a.jpg

the very big version (http://www.m-h-h.com/arena.jpg)

[European16]

Impressive!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/Hannoi/77e5295a.jpg

the very big version (http://www.m-h-h.com/arena.jpg)


thanks, my new wallpaper :D

[F96]

BTW, there are other great pics here (http://www.allianz-arena.de/de/down/bild/index.php)!

[The Old Lady Hertha]

The overhead view is mightily impressive..stadium oozes class.

[F96]

8 pages of pics (http://www.ib-opatz.de/xtra/exkarlibua/pages/page_21o.html) of the Alliant Arena

and much more (http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/index.php?template=neubau&umbau_id=9&ordner=20050519)

http://www.sport1.de/coremedia/pics/29/88/88/8x424x300x1,property=original.jpg

[Doc_Aeppler]

Waldstadion

http://www.f-r.de/_img/_cnt/_online/D050609_bei_4_1_panorama.jpg


http://www.f-r.de/_img/_cnt/_online/050609_bei_4_3_aussen.jpg


http://www.sisei-magazine.de/frankfurt/stadion/bild3.jpg

[BayernWake]

I love the first Waldstadion bild. Hopefully no one falls over the edge though :)

[footyfan1]

I love the first Waldstadion bild. Hopefully no one falls over the edge though :)


Commerzbank Arena!! LOL!! ;)

[bolzer89]

You really should not answer questions if you don't know the answer to them.

First of all there are two main clubs in Leipzig but they are not LOK and VfB which are actually the same club. VfB was the original name of the club under which they were the 1st German champion but during the GDR it was changed to LOKomotive due to sponsorship from GDR Rail. After reunification they changed it back to VfB but then since they went bankrupt and the club was stricken from the club register and could only be refounded with a new name so they reverted to LOK which is what everyone called them anyway regardless of the official name. The other team in Leipzig is Sachsen Leipzig previously known as BSG Chemie Leipzig in the DDR and always referred to as Chemie. They play in the 4th division. Both teams have suffered from poor management and a split in funding caused by having two teams in the city instead of one. The average casual soccer fan in Leipzig would probably support whichever club is ahead but the hardcore fans absolutely hate each other. Without getting into all of the reasons behind this, LOK was a favoured party team in the DDR and received far more financial support and benefitted from forced player transfers whereas being a Chemie fan was one of the few forms of protest against the regime one could get away with. LOK always played in the top GDR league and won the Cup several times which allowed them to play in European competition. They were once finalists in the Cup Winner's Cup but never managed to win the GDR league title. Chemie bounced between the 1st and 2nd division of the GDR league but did manage to win the title twice much to the displeasure of league officials. As I Chemie fan I won't claim to be entirely unbiased in my opinions but LOK is definitely the club with the far greater hooligan problem and also a great deal of neo-Nazi fans (which is one reason I like most other foreigners in Leipzig drifted over to the far more tolerant Chemie). LOK has one rivalry just as equally heated as with Chemie and that is with Dynamo Dresden. Basically if you ever want to attend a riot in Leipzig attend a Leipzig derby or a Dynamo-LOK match.

Both teams have their own stadium. The LOK stadium is a pretty run down GDR style stadium of 15 000 to 20 000 capacity. Sachsen's stadium of similar size is also old but in much better condition and has a style similar to many traditional english stadiums. Both teams played in Zentralstadium when their games warranted it and since LOK during most of the GDR had the better team playing at a higher level they played here more often than Chemie (perhaps explaining why Chemie's stadium is in better condition). LOK fans consider the Zentralstadium to be theirs because of this although obviously Chemikers dispute this. In reality this stadium belongs to neither side and only holds those events of either team warranting the stadium. The current situation is that LOK plays at their own stadium and away at the other 11th div. stadiums in the city while Sachsen plays in the Zentralestadium. Sachsen's own stadium is perfectly fine for 4th division matches and actually has a much better atmosphere given the typical crowd size. The majority of fans want the club to move back to its own stadium and sometimes chant this during games. It is not that they don't like the new stadium which is quite beautiful but that there isn't much atmosphere to 4th division games which range between 2 000 and 6 000 fans sitting in a 45 000 seat stadium. However, it would look bad for the city and stadium officials if noone was playing in the stadium now that it is built so they pay Sachsen to play there.

The thing that has everyone confused is the 11th division game that LOK played to 11 000 fans. This was a clever scheme meant largely as a provocation of Sachsen fans, i.e. to show them that Zentralestadium was LOK's not Sachsen's and to play there and outdraw Sachsen even while playing in the 11th division. They staged and heavily promoted this game which featured not only the game but a show and at very low ticket prices. Many of the fans were not necessarily LOK or even soccer fans but were there for the event, a fact which also helped to avoid the hooligan problems that often occur at LOK games. It came off perfectly and got them great publicity throughout Germany most of which thinks they get 11000 for every game. In fact they get about 2 000 for their home games which is still good for the 11th div. but is basically their hardcore support. Sachsen draws a bit higher than this but at obviously substantially higher ticket prices. When they were both in the 4th division recently Sachsen was slightly outdrawing LOK.

There is also another lower (maybe 7th or 8th div.) team in Leipzig that draws quite well sometimes over 1000 and that is Roter Stern (Red Star). This is a leftist club with support along the lines of St. Pauli (i.e. punks and other leftists) and is allied with Sachsen against LOK. As LOK has very substantial neo-Nazi and right wing support, when it promotes to Roter Stern's division there will be some games with huge fan numbers but also huge chances for violent fan clashes. The one thing that everyone agrees on is that the professional soccer situation in Leipzig is in a terrible state at the moment especially with a first class Bundesliga facility in the city and enough fans who would support any team that managed to reach a decent league level.

So my opinion about this theme is , that LOK is not so bad and full of hooloigans .
LOK is a normal club like other .
and also like Sachsen Leipizg .
This hooligans were no football fans and hadn*t a real connection to LOK .
this year , there wasn't any violent action .
and there are many fnas every match .
so the play with 12000 fans was one of two 'big' matches this year .
there was also a match against hertha bsc berlin with 13000 fans .
so i think , you shouldn't say things like that .
but that is your opinion and this here is mine .

sorry because of the gramatical mistakes .

[Doc_Aeppler]

http://dewds.net/e107_plugins/autogallery/Gallery/05-06%20finale%20-%20BRA%20vs.%20ARG/waldstadion.jpg

made by me at the confed-cup-final...

[F96]

Nice :D

[96Squig]

Quality pic!

[F96]

@ Doc
Do you have big version of the pic?

[Doc_Aeppler]

Ive got it in 4500x1000 :)

but the quality isnt really too good at that size... especially at the transitions between the parts... i will have to keep practicing my panoramas... :D

[F96]

update on the "Betzenberg" in Kaisrslautern.

Lots of aerials.

http://www.luftbild-pressefoto.de/Projekte/27082005Kaiserslautern/index.htm

http://www.luftbild-pressefoto.de/Projekte/27082005Kaiserslautern/images/FILE_0000C974.jpg

[F96]

Article about the Berliner Olympiastadium in The New York Times:

In Berlin, Every Cheer Casts an Eerie Echo (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/sports/soccer/08stadium.html)

[The Old Lady Hertha]

Article about the Berliner Olympiastadium in The New York Times:

In Berlin, Every Cheer Casts an Eerie Echo (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/08/sports/soccer/08stadium.html)

Literal and figurative echos...

THe stadium is yes too big, but to construct another one would have made us more bankrupter than we are now.