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SportBoy333
12 Sep 2004, 11:14 PM
They dont even show big European friendlies either.

No European World Cup qualifiers
No big International friendlies
No Serie A
No La Liga
No Champions League

FSW needs improvement.

MasterShake29
13 Sep 2004, 12:16 AM
They dont even show big European friendlies either.

No European World Cup qualifiers
No big International friendlies
No Serie A
No La Liga
No Champions League

FSW needs improvement.
ESPN has UEFA Champions League rights (whether FSW could sub-licence some games I'm not sure). GolTV has Serie A and La Liga. Setanta has some European international rights, as do various ethnic channels. FSI (the parent company) does have England home game rights, whether they show up on FSW is yet to be seen.

I'd be all for FSW getting Scottish and Welsh national team games. I assume the BBC covers those so they can just maybe use the feed as is. I think between that and England games they'd be pretty well off. Italy, Spain, Portugal, and/or Germany would be nice too but perhaps too expensive.

DAGSports
13 Sep 2004, 11:40 AM
ESPN has UEFA Champions League rights (whether FSW could sub-licence some games I'm not sure). GolTV has Serie A and La Liga. Setanta has some European international rights, as do various ethnic channels. FSI (the parent company) does have England home game rights, whether they show up on FSW is yet to be seen.

I'd be all for FSW getting Scottish and Welsh national team games. I assume the BBC covers those so they can just maybe use the feed as is. I think between that and England games they'd be pretty well off. Italy, Spain, Portugal, and/or Germany would be nice too but perhaps too expensive.
Setanta has a sublicense for extensive Champions League coverage.

FSI has little need or use for Wales or Scotland or even Ireland matches. They don't sell and will sometimes be played at the same time as England matches. We will see some midweek England home qualifiers and friendlies on FSW.

rivellino1
13 Sep 2004, 02:56 PM
Right now, Fox Sports World is currently infected by the EPL virus. The FSW people spent a lot of money for the rights to show EPL matches that they did not have enough for the rights to show even delayed Euro WC qualifiers.

kevruth
13 Sep 2004, 04:14 PM
Right now, Fox Sports World is currently infected by the EPL virus. The FSW people spent a lot of money for the rights to show EPL matches that they did not have enough for the rights to show even delayed Euro WC qualifiers.

Remember that EPL is the only thing that sells advertising for FSW. Nothing else does. The only other product that did was when they had the Scottish league before Setanta bought those rights.

DAGSports
13 Sep 2004, 04:29 PM
Remember that EPL is the only thing that sells advertising for FSW. Nothing else does. The only other product that did was when they had the Scottish league before Setanta bought those rights.
Exactly. Although I'd imagine MLS isn't a money loser or else FSI wouldn't want it.

da_cfo
13 Sep 2004, 05:27 PM
They dont even show big European friendlies either.

No European World Cup qualifiers
No big International friendlies
No Serie A
No La Liga
No Champions League

FSW needs improvement.

Nonsense.

FSWorld will be even more of an improvement if it dumps Brazil, Argentina, France, and Germany.

The ONLY product that sells anything on FSWorld, whether advertising or subscriptions, is ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE.

Everything else is just filler material.

Coon
13 Sep 2004, 05:51 PM
Nonsense.

FSWorld will be even more of an improvement if it dumps Brazil, Argentina, France, and Germany.

The ONLY product that sells anything on FSWorld, whether advertising or subscriptions, is ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE.

Everything else is just filler material.

Ever try opening your mind and seeing what else is out there?

phishy
13 Sep 2004, 06:03 PM
Nonsense.

FSWorld will be even more of an improvement if it dumps Brazil, Argentina, France, and Germany.

The ONLY product that sells anything on FSWorld, whether advertising or subscriptions, is ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE.

Everything else is just filler material.

how many times do you drill this into the ground? prolly half your posts are regarding this.... ffs, get a life m8~

da_cfo
13 Sep 2004, 06:03 PM
Ever try opening your mind and seeing what else is out there?

Everyone and his brother and sister have enough TV ratings and sales data to know which products will sell anything, if at all.

German, French, Brazilian, and Argentine leagues don't sell in the US. They haven't worked for the past 10 years, and they won't work in the next 10 years.

Warren Van Orden
13 Sep 2004, 10:32 PM
German, French, Brazilian, and Argentine leagues don't sell in the US. They haven't worked for the past 10 years, and they won't work in the next 10 years.
Hey Tse

What you say here, and have said hundreds of times before, is correct.

And clearly what motivates major broadcasters before much of anything else is profit.

Yet usually when you have combined these truths into predictions of what will be cancelled by Fox Sports World, you been wrong.

Have you pondered why FSW might deliberately choose to make less money during any two hour weekly match broadcast series from any of the four nations you listed?

It can't simply be repeated incompetence and stupidity on the part of those who cut the deals for FSW.

My thought: A broadcaster's bottom line is not simply an accumulation of the profits it derives from the sum of it's endeavors. It also greatly affected by it's overall brand image.

The overall perception of the network is boosted by two hours of Brasilian football regardless of whether they might be able to draw more eyes by replaying some X-Files show from the Fox archives in the same time slot.

Low cost soccer filler meets these ends well, but irrelevant off format alternatives don't.

It seems there have been some cases where advertising packages have been sold with EPL as the main draw. But the advertisers get additional spots. I recall Guiness commercials during Argentine futbol in the past. It's surely harder to put those 'value added' deals together for off format programming.

Finally beyond the obvious fact that none of us can predict what the next ten years will bring, it seems that for the Murdoch empire, much of which is funded by the worldwide sucess of Soccer, it's a pretty small bet to consider that perhaps it will take off within the USA as well.

You think it won't happen, and I certainly won't predict that it will.

But certainly stranger things have happened in Sports and the entertainment and television industry at large. Isn't the ninth or tenth round of the "Survivor" beginning this week?

For Fox/Murdoch if they win a bet on Soccer, the up side is huge. If they are wrong they don't lose much when you think about the stakes.

kevruth
14 Sep 2004, 11:20 AM
What I find so facinating about all of this is that if EPL is the only thing that sells advertising then why buy filler leagues at all? You've got the rights to all 380 EPL matches that you've paid for but only are going to air 200 of them.

Therefore, if all you want is "filler" then use those matches. They are paid for. If you can't air just the other 180 EPL matches for filler, then obviously those other leagues aren't filler at all because apparently FSW thinks that no one would want to watch those other 180 filler EPL filler matches.

I would also guess that those 180 EPL matches that aren't shown would get advertising if they were put on the air according to all of the figures that state it is the only thing that sells advertising. Seems silly to buy other leagues and then not getting advertising revenue to pay for them. Save some money and not buy other leagues and make advertising money off of your unused 180 EPL matches.

DAGSports
14 Sep 2004, 12:27 PM
What I find so facinating about all of this is that if EPL is the only thing that sells advertising then why buy filler leagues at all? You've got the rights to all 380 EPL matches that you've paid for but only are going to air 200 of them.

Therefore, if all you want is "filler" then use those matches. They are paid for. If you can't air just the other 180 EPL matches for filler, then obviously those other leagues aren't filler at all because apparently FSW thinks that no one would want to watch those other 180 filler EPL filler matches.

I would also guess that those 180 EPL matches that aren't shown would get advertising if they were put on the air according to all of the figures that state it is the only thing that sells advertising. Seems silly to buy other leagues and then not getting advertising revenue to pay for them. Save some money and not buy other leagues and make advertising money off of your unused 180 EPL matches.

FSW Canada can't afford the type of EPL coverage it used to have, because it only has about 2 million subscribers. So FSI has to get filler products to sublicense.