Players should win CL for Wenger

[Azabache]

Having read this

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/sport/story/0,6903,1302891,00.html

I feel that Wenger, having equalled Chapman as the ideal Arsenal manager, has done and given everything imaginable to the club and the players. The players should in turn make sure that the man's legacy includes a Champion's League medal.

[AmericanGunner]

Wenger deserves a CL. The players should win it for themselves. Just win it. We are deserving of one. The players, the manager, the fans, the administration. No one (except scum, Man Utd and Chelsea fans) would feel anything other than 'its deserved' if we won it.

[christosap]

Wenger deserves a CL. The players should win it for themselves. Just win it. We are deserving of one. The players, the manager, the fans, the administration. No one (except scum, Man Utd and Chelsea fans) would feel anything other than 'its deserved' if we won it.

i dont mean to troll but can you please explain 'we are deserving of one' to me.

[mad theory]

we don't need to explain, try watching an arsenal game.

[christosap]

we don't need to explain, try watching an arsenal game.

against chelsea or valencia?

[nicephoras]

we don't need to explain, try watching an arsenal game.

As impressive as hat tricks against Portsmouth are, you are hardly the Holland of the 70s or Hungary of the 50s.

[Przybylinski]

I wouldn't say they are more deserving of wining the CL more than some other teams, but with the accomplishments of last season and the continuation so far this season they will hopefully go on to win it.

I really hope they win it. I'd like to see them holding up that trophy at the end of this season. I'd like to see that more than the FA Cup or EPL title.

[Arsenal_fanUK]

I realy feel were going to win it this year, if you think about it the past 2 or 3 years of tryin the team hasnt made it the no.1 goal. they had tried to make arsenal the best team in the country first. now they have, i feel they know it now, and they, to me feel ready to proove to europe there the best there too.

becuase if we had one the champions league and not the title last year, we would have too set out and proove we are the best team in the country, because in england who ever wins the premiership title is seen as the best.
but we have one the title for the third time, and i feel the team knows that there next goal is now to win the champions league, to fully stick the arsenal team in the history.

PLUS not just the players are saying so(that they need to win the cl) the manager is saying in the papers. which usualy he is soo modist, but now i think he feels its time.

[fox point fury]

As impressive as hat tricks against Portsmouth are, you are hardly the Holland of the 70s or Hungary of the 50s.


So we're not even good enough to lose in the finals? :rolleyes:

We must look phenomenal if vague whining through irrelevant non-comparisons is the best you can come up with.

[nicephoras]

So we're not even good enough to lose in the finals? :rolleyes:

We must look phenomenal if vague whining through irrelevant non-comparisons is the best you can come up with.

It has nothing to do with being good enough. It has to do with this nebulous "deserving" thing. Of the teams I can think of off the top of my head, those two are usually ones that people mention when they say they "deserved to win".
Arsenal haven't even made the CL finals, nor have they ever had that "tragic" game that denied them their chance. They just haven't been good enough in the CL. You'd have a better case for Valencia's Mendieta teams deserving it.

[Arsenal_fanUK]

Well chelsea took are dream of going to the semi finals in the last moments of the second leg. then we would of killed monaco, then finishing off porto.
if that happened you wouldnt have mourinho as couch... some things are jus ment 2 appen'

[nicephoras]

Well chelsea took are dream of going to the semi finals in the last moments of the second leg.

:confused: We outplayed you over the two legs. I don't think that was an undeserved loss in any sense. ManUtd has a better claim to bad luck against Porto, and god knows we've heard enough about it over the past year.

[Los Libero]

DO IT FOR DENNIS
DO IT FOR ARSENE
DO IT FOR DEIN

:confused: We outplayed you over the two legs. I don't think that was an undeserved loss in any sense. ManUtd has a better claim to bad luck against Porto, and god knows we've heard enough about it over the past year.

Chelsea outplayed us? You were just as bad in the first half as we were in the second half. You just took advantage of your minimal opportunities whereas we did not - my main critique of this team.

Arsenal have had more bad luck in that ********ing competition than anyone else could dream of. We get knocked out by away goals against Valencia, Depor deciding not to play and us going once again away goals, Valencia yet again. Casting our minds back to the days of Bertie Mee - who did Arsenal HAVE to meet in the quarter finals in 1971? Ajax and Johan Cruijff.

It's our time and we bloody well deserve it.

[Spartak]

There is no such thing as "deserve" in football. Unless you are completely cheated by the ref or something the better team on the day always wins. And by the rules of the game Arsenal were never the best team in a CL campaign in the Wenger era. Therefore, they never "deserved" to win the CL.

[gwunwai]

I think whoever wins it deserves it.

Henry was saying in the Untouchables DVD that last season, everybody felt that Real Madrid, or AC Milan, or Arsenal deserved to win it, but at the end of the day, Porto did, and they deserved it.

That is why I hope we will win it, and hopefully, we will win it by playing the sort of attractive attacking soccer that we have been doing.

And Arsenal_fanUK, your user name and allegiance doesn't really match. :confused:

[Los Libero]

There is no such thing as "deserve" in football. Unless you are completely cheated by the ref or something the better team on the day always wins. And by the rules of the game Arsenal were never the best team in a CL campaign in the Wenger era. Therefore, they never "deserved" to win the CL.

We deserve at least some good luck in that competition. Sometimes in football luck is everything.

[Azabache]

Well, I watched the Fulham match in Spanish and one the commentators said that a match is not won by the team that deserves it but the team that "makes" the goals. I said nothing about deserving, I said that the players, who are the ones on the field and ultimately responsible for making things happen, should win this thing for the man and the club as a measure of gratitude.

[christosap]

Los Libero, depor choose not to play against porto, im glad porto were able to overcome this, that shows what a true champion is made of.

Arsenal_fanUK, you are by far the dumbest poster on these boards, ILC looks respectable next to your posts, you would have beaten monaco and taken care of porto? no no no, you can talk out of your ass all you like but you didn't beat chelsea its as simple as that the ref didn't screw you, no own goals theres no point in that match you can say we were cheated, it was a fair game and you lost, end of discusion.

if Arsenal goes on to win the trophy i will say they deserved it (mind you i will be bitting my lip) but until then dont complain, it hasn't been luck that has cost you its the fact you just weren't the best when it mattered most, this might be your year but i wouldn't beat on it.

[dwinkler]

Nice story on Wenger.

No team "deserves" anything. Can't stand the way the stupid lazy media always babble about "undeserved" wins, stuff like that. The scoreboard doesn't lie.

By the way, this Champions League stuff is starting to get irritating. Who arbitrarily set this as the be-all end-all for calculating club team greatness? Like Wenger has repeatedly pointed out, would anyone have thought Porto and Monaco would be in last year's finals? Does anyone think either of them were truly great sides? Hell, didn't Aston Villa win it once? I think someone named Ron Saunders was their manager, but I couldn't name one of their players if my life depended on it.

And in case no one's noticed, it's pretty damn hard for an English team to win the Holy Grail of club cups, at least in the last several decades. The mighty ManUre, with a huge head start over Arsenal on talent and resources, have managed that feat exactly once in Sir Red Nose's 18(!) years there. Once. They haven't even reached the finals on any other occasion. And that win came in SRN's 12th season as manager. If Sir Wenger hasn't guided Arsenal to a Champions League trophy by 2008, then we can perhaps legitimately start to complain.

[Los Libero]

Los Libero, depor choose not to play against porto, im glad porto were able to overcome this, that shows what a true champion is made of.

I wasn't talking about 03/04. We played Deportivo a few years ago and were knocked out by them not playing one night.