Ricardo Salazar :: Dallas @ United :: Referee Thread [R][N&A]

[Knave]

REFEREE: Ricardo Salazar

SAR (bench): Kermit Quisenberry; JAR (opposite): Chip Reed; 4th: Roni Canales

MLS Career: 28 games; FC/gm: 32.6; Y/gm: 3.7; R: 7; pens: 10 Games involving United: P5 W1 L3 T1; FC/gm: 34.2; Y/gm: 5.0; R: 2; pens: 2 Games involving Burn: P6 W2 L3 T1; FC/gm: 32.3; Y/gm: 3.8; R: 1; pens: 2

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[URwormfood]

Happy-happy....joy-joy...


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[elconejito]

we've got some interesting names here at least....

Kermit Quisenberry
Chip Reed
Roni Canales

[DutchFootballRulez]

His name is Kermit..

[vivaelbolivar]

thanks for the red card! :D

[Winoman]

If MLS is going to improve and be taken seriously by the rest of the world, there must be better officiating than that. Is that the only way MLS games are decided anymore, by bad referee decisions?

[lkeniston]

That wasn't cool. Love to beat the Burn, but not like that.

[elconejito]

i thought the ref did a pretty decent job for most of the match, but the red card on pareja was absolutely ridiculous. that is the type of collision that happens every game at least 15-20 times or anytime a ball is played high and 2 or more guys go up for it. my man benny just happened to take pareja's elbow in the head, but no foul was warranted, much less a red card. very harsh for an unintentional elbow to the head. and to top it off, its not like pareja is known as some thug. if it was dema flying in there, i can see the card being thrown, but not for a player like pareja. And wynalda was dead wrong saying benny should be ashamed of himself, he took an elbow to the head and rightly sat on the ground for a minute.

furthermore, there were a couple of 2-footed challenges by valakari (who is known as a thug) afterwards that deserved a 2nd yellow as well, but the ref didn't have the cojones to throw another burn player off.

this decision didn't make or break the game as we were up 1-0 at the time, dallas hadn't made a serious threat on goal yet, and valakari was probably going to get booked again if pareja didnt see a red.

i just look forward to the day when MLS will have grown enough where we can see consistent reffing not just from one game to the next, but even within one game.

[feuerfex]

its not like pareja is known as some thug. You're saying then that it is just a coincidence that Pareja has led Dallas in yellow cards for each of the last three years.

[Footer Phooter]

i thought the ref did a pretty decent job for most of the match,

Really?!?

[JoeW]

1. I thought MLS issues a preseason directive to specifically crack down on elbows. Goff confirms it in his article on the game.

2. It sure looked to me like an elbow got Olsen. He went down. If we assume he wasn't faking (players do simulate but faking an injury doesn't seem to be Ben's MO) and his comment about the lump on his head is accurate, then I have a hard time not making that call.

3. B/c the match was so vicious at times (in the sense of deliberate efforts to physically challenge players--Dema on ROB, Valakari on DCU), I think it's automatic that the ref assumes that if the elbow connects and the player goes down and stays down holding their head, and that player has a rep of just bouncing right back up, that it's a serious foul.

Yep, not malicious. But it was apparently an elbow, MLS has said "no-no" to those kinds of things, and it appeared to have impact. At the time the card was issued, Olsen was still down. While I can't say I like the MLS Directive on this, I think Salazar's call is consistent with the directive.

[MeridianFC]

I just got back from the match and have watched a bit of it again on Tivo.

The red card on Parjea, in spite of his being an utter prick, was in no way shape or form deserved. Watching it live, without the benefit of replay (for some reason they didn't show it at RFK that I could tell) it seemed a rough challenge but I was still surprised when a red came out of it all.

Dema was lucky to still be on the field after the fracar with Mssr. O'Brien. Not for the challenge, which was innoucous, but for the attempted head but.

I also thought towards the end of the half every rough challenge that we put it not fouls mind, just good solid tackles in 50/50 situations, went against us.

I thought Reyes made that tackle in the box, but what are you gonna do?

I see some promise in Salazar, but he's got to get his ******** together.

[NattyBo]

You know what, ******** it. For once a call went our way and Im not going to go out of my way to bash the ref.. from where I was sitting and Im positive from where he was standing that elbow looked absolutely vicious and deserving of a red card

[Publius]

At the game, I thought the ref didn't handle the Kovalenko/O'Brien incident very well at all, precisely because Kovalenko's challenge was clean and the initial fracas was started by Dallas. While I still think that somebody on Dallas should have been cautioned for the incident, Petke clearly deserved the yellow for delivering his push of the Dallas player (into Eskandarian).

The sending off was bad. I can see why the ref called it after Olsen went down, but it was, flat out, a bad call.

The best thing I can say about Salazar is that unlike many MLS refs, there wasn't a dramatic deterioration in the quality of how he called the game after the 70th minute mark.

[C. Ronaldo7]

For all we know the red card may have been because the ref knew he was mad and was intentionally trying to hurt him. ;)

[CHICO13]

At the game, I thought the ref didn't handle the Kovalenko/O'Brien incident very well at all, precisely because Kovalenko's challenge was clean and the initial fracas was started by Dallas. While I still think that somebody on Dallas should have been cautioned for the incident, Petke clearly deserved the yellow for delivering his push of the Dallas player (into Eskandarian).


Absolutely. Good post....

[rugman]

I didn't like the job Salazar did. Kovalenko got the fracas going by running up and bumping ROB after the play was called, got in his face and feinted a head butt. That's when the other Dallas players ran over.
With Benny, Salazar was standing right there about 5 yards away in perfect position to see the play. I thought Pareja jumped into Benny and Salazar saw an elbow thrown. But it wasn't thrown at Benny in any way shape or form. A foul for jumping in but not a red card.

[CHICO13]

I didn't like the job Salazar did. Kovalenko got the fracas going by running up and bumping ROB after the play was called
Actually it was O'Brien who got up (from a clean tackle) and gestured and yelled at Dema.

[Abner Ravenwood]

Actually it was O'Brien who got up (from a clean tackle) and gestured and yelled at Dema.
Absolutely initiated by ROB. It was a clean tackle, and ROB went for Dema. My first thought that he was either trying to sell it as a cardable foul, or egg Dema into doing something stupid and getting ejected. Not a bad tactic given Dema's temper... but he showed restraint in this case.

If ROB WASN'T trying to do any of these things, then Dema is just WAY into his head...

[Lanky134]

3. B/c the match was so vicious at times (in the sense of deliberate efforts to physically challenge players--Dema on ROB, Valakari on DCU), I think it's automatic that the ref assumes that if the elbow connects and the player goes down and stays down holding their head, and that player has a rep of just bouncing right back up, that it's a serious foul.

There had been at least two blatant elbows thrown in the first half that went uncalled. I think one on each team. The guy in front of me in the Nest, who is a ref, said he saw Salazar talking to both captains before the second - probably to warn them both. The first thing that looked like an elbow, he called, even though it was crap.

And Valakari should've been sent off. While carrying a yellow, he made two bookable offenses, which were called for fouls, but he was uncarded.