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ndp21f
09 Sep 2004, 11:40 AM
Found this in the local alternative weekly:

Link (http://www.pitch.com/issues/2004-09-09/interview2.html)

A Thin Line ...
Introducing the most hated men in rock (besides Sting).
BY MIKE SEELY
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David Byrne has done it right. Destined to live high on the hog by way of Talking Heads royalties until the day he dies, the adventurous quirkmeister has been nothing but ballsy since his seminal new-wave outfit parted ways. You may not like everything he's tried since his career apex, but complacency has, to his credit, been Byrne's worst enemy.
Sting, meanwhile, is another story. The turtlenecked Jaguar shill has so desecrated his Police legacy that we're not entirely convinced the current soft-rock incarnation isn't the original Stinger's evil twin. He is, without question, the most hated man in rock.

But who are numbers two through ten? According to San Francisco Chronicle pop music critic Aidin Vaziri, the runner-up is Eric Clapton, a ranking based almost exclusively on the guitar god's recent synth slop. We don't necessarily agree with this ranking. The criteria for what makes a rocker hated is simple: Have talent, use it well for a substantial period of time, then squander it for commercial riches, fame or forced mass appeal.

Admittedly, it's tough to find ten artists who strictly adhere to such requirements, so we've chosen -- with the help of a secret, eleven-man panel -- to implement a graded system that gives talented sellouts weightier consideration than, say, Johnny Rzeznik or Fred Durst. Yet excluding such ass clowns from this list outright would be a disservice. (And we've covered Sting already.) So without further ado, let the hatred begin!


1. Paul McCartney. Barely qualified to carry John Lennon's roach clip in the days when both toiled with an overrated boy band known as the Beatles, Sir Paul's true colors have been horribly visible since Mark David Chapman put a tragic slug in Yoko's hubby. "Band on the Run" could have been written by a third-grader, and McCartney's duets with Michael Jackson and the ensuing public pissing match over Jacko's savvy purchase of the Beatles' catalog cemented McCartney's legacy of poor taste and idiocy. And wasn't it great when Sir Paul, sharing the stage with Madonna at the close of the 1999 MTV Music Awards, thought Lauryn Hill was a man, referring to the Artist of the Year Award winner as "some guy named Lawrence Hill"? Nice one, **************. Worst of all, who can forget the post-9/11 ode to freedom, named, with typical genius, "Freedom"? Marrying a young, blond, one-legged star********er 12 hours after burying your dead philanthropist wife was a good one, too, mate. We can only hope Satan delivers the goods to Sir Paul in hell, where knighthoods carry no currency.


2. Carlos Santana. We wish we could just forget about it, Carlos, like your Matchbox Twenty buddy Rob Thomas suggested on "Smooth." And maybe we could have forgotten if you made just one album of duets with flash-in-the-pan pop stars like Thomas. But no, you followed it up with a little bit of that teen tart Michelle Branch on the dreadful Supernatural sequel, Shaman, and proceeded to ride the low-rent pop culture train all the way to a spot on NBA playoff-game lead-ins with the Black Eyed Peas. It's a pathetic career trajectory for a man once considered the heir to Jimi Hendrix, and Santana has no one to blame but himself. It's not like his record label swooped in and said, "Say, Carlos, we need you to do this duet with the guy from Nickelback, or else we're going to drop your ass."


3. Jimmy Buffett. Alcohol rehabilitation counselors, antidepressant manufacturers and shrinks should thank this Key West ukulele hack for supplying half of their paying clientele. Here's how the vicious cycle works: (1) Begin liking Buffett during perpetually drunk collegiate years; (2) prolong perpetual drunkenness by becoming parrothead and attending Buffett shows until age 40; (3) crash car while driving drunk from Buffett show at Pensacola Fairgrounds; (4) enter court-mandated rehab program; (5) get sober; (6) recognize how hollow life was during personal "Cheeseburger in Paradise" bender; (7) start seeing shrink and taking Prozac; (8) realize that entire wardrobe consists of imitation Hawaiian shirts, huaraches, golf visors and jams; (9) start drinking again; (10) hit the road for Chattanooga stop of Buffett's Four Inebriated Horsemen Tour with Alan Jackson, Clint Black and Randy Travis. Turns out, Margaritaville has inescapable walls made of petrified ape dung, an apt description of Buffett's entire catalog.


4. The Adams family (Ryan and Bryan). You've been asking for this double entry, Ryan, by consistently refusing to cover "Summer of '69" in concert. If you didn't want to be confused with Bryan Adams or teased for being one consonant short of Canada's pint-sized pride, you should have changed your ********ing name. Lots of rock stars do it, bro. Releasing three mediocre albums a year and mounting the likes of Winona Ryder and Parker Posey haven't helped, either. And for that Robin Hood song, the gravel-throated Canuck will never be forgiven, even if the aforementioned "Summer " is a true-blue gem.


5. Elton John. Bernie Taupin's not-so-tiny dancer was way better in the pre-Studio 54 era, when he was as high as a rocket man and actually cranked out adventurous pop hits with gusto. Now sober, Sir Elton seems content to belt out cheesy power ballads for animated feature soundtracks, host garish awards-show after-parties and retrofit "Candle in the Wind" to cash in on the dead princess of the moment. Leavin' Levon far behind, indeed, and much the worse for it.


6. Johnny Rzeznik. Feel free to debate whether the Goo-Goo Dolls' albums can even be considered rock. Also feel free to debate whether or not they're music. Any way you slice the pie, this moronic, saccharine, neo-glam outfit is the worst band in America, with Rzeznik being the synthetic cherry filling. Quick, name one Goo Goo Dolls song. That's OK, you're not alone. That Rzeznik could ascend to this ranking without ever having exhibited an ounce of artistic talent is testament to how much people just want to drop-kick his pretty boy bean through the goal posts at ********face Field. At least this Calvin Klein underwear-model wannabe has one thing going for him: Avril Lavigne evidently wants to ride him. And in Missouri, that'd be barely legal.


7. G.E. Smith. We know: How can a Saturday Night Live bandleader named after a power company qualify for this list? Here's how: Smith served as Hall & Oates' lead guitarist from 1979 to 1985, which marked the peak of the Philly duo's commercial viability. And -- come on -- was there any blond ponytail more ubiquitous than Smith's during his 10-year SNL run? Absolutely not -- homeboy played on every imaginable televised tribute concert, including Live Aid and Farm Aid. Indeed, where there was an Aid -- and a camera -- there was a blond ponytail, which Smith took great pains to flap across his face like a horse's tail across its ass. Smith was Michael Bolton before Michael Bolton was Michael Bolton, only Smith didn't even have to open his mouth to attain such reviled status. His "look at me!" facial expressions did it all.


8. Conor Oberst and Chris Carrabba. Who wants to hear sad, sad songs about the day-to-day pathos of well-to-do suburban white kids? Well-to-do suburban white kids, that's who. And that's about it. "Emo," then, is really a genre within a genre within a genre, which makes it a mystery why these two wimps have been garnering so much ink. Every song they write is overwrought and intellectually dishonest. Everybody's got problems, but we'd love to transplant this double entry (two whiny weenies equal one man, by our count) of pastoral crackers to the ghetto for a few decades. Then we'll see if they continue to pump out the same prepubescent ********** bait that's gotten them this far.


9. Fred Durst. Regardless whether you believe Durst's claim that he drilled Britney Spears six ways till Sunday, this rap-rock goofball is largely responsible for rock's darkest era: the late '90s. (Kid Rock, too, can take a bow.) Fortunately, it looks like Durst's career is over. Otherwise, he'd likely outstrip Rzeznik for the sixth spot. He'd be at the top of the list if this poll were more concerned with sonic proficiency.


10. Bob Weir. You can actually stop truckin' now, Bob. The Dead's insistence upon staying on the road post-Jerry Garcia has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the band was just a collection of semi-competent nerds with a prodigiously charismatic and talented frontman. And Rock Star Bobby is the worst of the bunch, a bona fide gravy trainer who probably would have invited frequent guest Huey Lewis to join the band as a full-time harmonica player had Garcia not understandably kept his pink-Izod-wearing ass in check. Weir's side project, Rat Dog, is basically a below-average bar band with a frontman who needs a teleprompter to remember his own lyrics. But given our unyielding love for all things Garcia, we were willing to forgive and forget -- until Weir and company appeared on The Tonight Show recently. With Garcia on the injured list (for good), Weir stepped in to sing lead vocals on "Touch of Grey." Horribly. Why didn't he just defecate on Jerry's headstone instead?


Rounding out the top 20 (in descending order): Glenn Frey and Don Henley (count as one), Scott Stapp, Rod Stewart, Phil Collins, Lenny Kravitz, Steve Miller, John Mellencamp, Michael McDonald, Max Weinberg, Lars Ulrich.

Honorable Mention: Clapton, Anthony Kiedis, Kid Rock, Scott Weiland, Liam and Noel Gallagher, Zack de la Rocha, Peter Gabriel, Kenny Loggins, George Thorogood, Bob Seger, Ted Nugent, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bruce Springsteen, Axl Rose, James Hetfield, Ozzy Osbourne, Steve Winwood, Bruce Hornsby, Billy Joel, Dave Matthews, John Popper, Julian Casablancas, Jack White, Rob Thomas, Huey Lewis, Jackson Browne, Dave Grohl, Chris Cornell, Mark McGrath, Melissa Etheridge and the lead singer of Maroon 5.

pitch.com | originally published: September 9, 2004

Deuteriumoxide
09 Sep 2004, 11:58 AM
Glad to see lars ulrich get an honorable mention... but what the heck did James ever do to anybody?

655321
09 Sep 2004, 12:25 PM
Phil Collins should really be in the top five. And just lump all Eagles into one and get it over with.

bojendyk
09 Sep 2004, 12:43 PM
Phil Collins should really be in the top five. And just lump all Eagles into one and get it over with.

I'm with you on the first one. He should get bonus points for the embarrassing urban legend surrounding "In the Air Tonight."

Joe Walsh may be exempted from the Eagles list. He sucks, of course, but at least he's a little amusing in a space cadet kind of way.

Michael McDonald could stand to be moved up a notch or two, as could Steve Miller (who rocks like a real square) and Lenny Kravitz.

655321
09 Sep 2004, 12:45 PM
And I'm assuming this is an American publication, or we would have seen Paul Weller in that list.

Crimen y Castigo
09 Sep 2004, 01:39 PM
That's some quality hate.

I'm a bit puzzled at Stevie Ray Vaughn's honorable mention, unless being a crackhead and junkie is hatable. (But wouldn't the self-loathing inherent in that cancel that out?)

Plus, I'm not sure why David Byrne -- or like-minded cultural vulture Paul Simon -- has escaped the rage. I know lots of folks who think that a) their post-zenith work is crap; b) they're complete turds as human beings; or c) both.

And, yes, yes, yes, for god's sake give Phil Collins his due.

La China Poblana
09 Sep 2004, 01:41 PM
I would like to add to Carlos Santana's credentials. The video with Michelle Branch that was mentioned was filmed in the middle of the intersection of 18th St. and Blue Island in Pilsen, the oldest Mexican neighborhood in Chicago. I had heard that he was going to be there and stopped by after work. As it's not a very picturesque corner, I can only assume Mr. Santana was going for an "authentic" vibe. By the time I got to the corner, there were hundreds of local residents that from what I heard had been waiting hours for the guy to show up. I had only been at the corner a few minutes when a production assistant corralled the extras to give instructions. With such a huge crowd of locals available (including beautiful women, handsome men, adorable babies, and very "authentic" looking elderly people), all the extras were very carefully chosen "hipster" types (none visibly Latino) that looked very nervous to be so far away from Wicker Park. The irony of this was not lost on the people who had been waiting to see Carlos Santana, and after laughing about this with some folks, I left.

If that wasn't enough, he's also licensed his name to a line of women's shoes.

655321
09 Sep 2004, 01:43 PM
There's a new "Santana's Bar and Grill" opening in the Mission here soon. It looks like a mini-House Of Blues in such a traditonial and authentic Latino neighborhood.

Crimen y Castigo
09 Sep 2004, 02:00 PM
Speaking of . . .

If ever there was a club version of the list of hate, there are no doubts the House of Blues would top the list.

I almost think that there were good intentions behind the concept. But as for the actual club in Hollywood .... It's as if god ate Disneyland and Louisiana at the same time and then threw up all over on the Sunset Strip.

Oh yeah .. and they book crap.

skipshady
09 Sep 2004, 02:11 PM
1. Paul McCartney. Barely qualified to carry John Lennon's roach clip in the days when both toiled with an overrated boy band known as the Beatles, Sir Paul's true colors have been horribly visible since Mark David Chapman put a tragic slug in Yoko's hubby. "Band on the Run" could have been written by a third-grader, and McCartney's duets with Michael Jackson and the ensuing public pissing match over Jacko's savvy purchase of the Beatles' catalog cemented McCartney's legacy of poor taste and idiocy. And wasn't it great when Sir Paul, sharing the stage with Madonna at the close of the 1999 MTV Music Awards, thought Lauryn Hill was a man, referring to the Artist of the Year Award winner as "some guy named Lawrence Hill"? Nice one, **************. Worst of all, who can forget the post-9/11 ode to freedom, named, with typical genius, "Freedom"? Marrying a young, blond, one-legged star********er 12 hours after burying your dead philanthropist wife was a good one, too, mate. We can only hope Satan delivers the goods to Sir Paul in hell, where knighthoods carry no currency.You know, I hate the 9/11 terrorists for all the deaths they caused, but I hate them almost as much for inspiring that piece of ******** "Freedom" song.

Good lord, I hate that mother********er. Retroactively switching "Lennon" and "McCartney" in old Beatles liner notes? How ********ing petty is that? He makes Yoko Ono likable as a doe-eyed, housebroken puppy. That line about liking John when you're young, then liking Paul as you get older is total ****************. I will hate that ********er McCartney no matter how old I get. Hate hate hate.

YanksFC
09 Sep 2004, 02:16 PM
The criteria for what makes a rocker hated is simple: Have talent, use it well for a substantial period of time, then squander it for commercial riches, fame or forced mass appeal.

How does someone like Scott Stapp or Bob Seger make the list or honorable mention according to these criteria? Neither one (a) ever had any talent or (b) used it well for any period of time.

minorthreat
09 Sep 2004, 02:24 PM
I'm surprised Axl doesn't rate higher than an honorable mention. His was the first name that leapt to mind when I saw the thread title.

Crimen y Castigo
09 Sep 2004, 02:35 PM
...He makes Yoko Ono likable as a doe-eyed, housebroken puppy. That line about liking John when you're young, then liking Paul as you get older is total ****************. I will hate that ********er McCartney no matter how old I get. Hate hate hate.

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Yesss..yessss....excellent....

Don't forget about re-mastering Let It Be ...

And hiring his wife's father as the Beatle's manager ...

And letting Linda sing on Wings records ...

And I'm pretty sure he killed Brian Epstein.... and Brian Jones ...

And "It's Coming Up" and "Give My Regards to Broad Street" and "Tug of War" and, well, everything ...

minorthreat
09 Sep 2004, 03:09 PM
That's some quality hate.

I'm a bit puzzled at Stevie Ray Vaughn's honorable mention, unless being a crackhead and junkie is hatable. (But wouldn't the self-loathing inherent in that cancel that out?)Well, he did pave the way for a few watered-down white boy "bluesmen" like Kenny Wayne Shepherd and Johnny Lang (and you could make a case for John Mayer's new album as well), but I don't see it as that big a crime because a, that can equally be laid at Eric Clapton's doorstep, and b, there aren't that many of them.

Edit: I don't pay the least bit of attention to Maroon 5 at all - why is their lead singer on there?

Also, as another aside, does anyone else think that if U2's last album never happened, we'd be seeing Bono/the Edge on this list?

And finally, Chris Cornell does deserve some serious hate for forming Audioslave, because he's cashing in on talent he never really had. I wouldn't say that he was Soundgarden's least talented member, as that might be giving Ben Shepherd too much credit, but it's pretty damn close.

655321
09 Sep 2004, 05:06 PM
Don't forget about re-mastering Let It Be ...

And waiting until after George Harrison died to do it, knowing that he wouldn't approve and probably block it. He sucks so bad.

NotAbbott
09 Sep 2004, 05:18 PM
Speaking of . . .

If ever there was a club version of the list of hate, there are no doubts the House of Blues would top the list.

I almost think that there were good intentions behind the concept. But as for the actual club in Hollywood .... It's as if god ate Disneyland and Louisiana at the same time and then threw up all over on the Sunset Strip.

Oh yeah .. and they book crap.

The good intentions notion is wishful thinking at best. I remember reading an interview with one of the founders of the chain, and he said something like "I want people, when they think of American music, to think of House of Blues." So he explicitly wants to co-opt the work of so many musicians for his own personal gain.

Forget about the fact that you can't look in ANY direction at HOB and not be forcibily reminded that YOU'RE AT THE HOUSE OF BLUES!! And you can't see crap from the Foundation Room balcony.

The one in Chicago actually books some good stuff, but the talent buyer here has been doing good work at various clubs for well over ten years.

Later,
COZ

hangthadj
09 Sep 2004, 05:19 PM
There's a new "Santana's Bar and Grill" opening in the Mission here soon. It looks like a mini-House Of Blues in such a traditonial and authentic Latino neighborhood.


That's awful.

655321
09 Sep 2004, 05:29 PM
That's awful.


The only thing that keeps it from being worse than you think is that it's pretty small and really only is a restaurant/bar/whatever...but sheesh. This guy's from the Bay Area and is well aware of the Mission District and how businesses like that are viewed. We're talking about a city who's residents petitioned hardcore to keep Urban Outfitters off of super-touristy Haight St.

Don Boppero 3000
09 Sep 2004, 05:45 PM
Why did people want to keep Urban Outfitters out??

655321
09 Sep 2004, 05:49 PM
Why did people want to keep Urban Outfitters out??

The uber SF folks view even Urban Outfitters as too "department store" like. They have one in the Market St./Union Square area, but I guess Haight St. is considered off limits to that. I think the slogan they used was "Don't turn Haight St. into a mall" or something like that...