Bush National Guard Thread

[GringoTex]

The only explanation that makes sense is that he knew he would fail the drug test.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6693-2004Sep8.html

President Bush failed to carry out a direct order from his superior in the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972 to undertake a medical examination that was necessary for him to remain a qualified pilot, according to documents made public yesterday.

The documents include a memo from Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be suspended from flight status for failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force and National Guard standards and failure to take his annual physical "as ordered."

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained that he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I will not rate."

[Claymore]

Well, you know Killian was a Democrat. He obviously knew that W would run for President.

It's all Clinton's fault.

[Yankee_Blue]

Did any of these people serve in the same fighter plane as GWB?

[afgrijselijkheid]

yeah, it's all hilarious

[Chris M.]

White House officials have said there was no reason for Bush to take the annual physical required of fighter pilots because there were no suitable planes for him to fly in Alabama, where he applied for "substitute training" to replace his required service with the Texas National Guard.

Paging USASoccer. :D

Since you are in the military, how do you feel about personell deciding for themselves whether they need to take physicals or maintain their flight status?

Is it OK to ignore an order because a junior officer determined that "they probably won't have suitable planes for me to fly."

Credibility is a bitch.

[Chicago1871]

White House officials have said there was no reason for Bush to take the annual physical required of fighter pilots because there were no suitable planes for him to fly in Alabama, where he applied for "substitute training" to replace his required service with the Texas National Guard.


If everyone in the Armed Forces made decisions on their own, I think things would run a lot smoother. Hell, he was a Lt. in the National Guard, he was well trained and knew better than everyone else, so why should he follow the rules?

[GringoTex]

More damning evidence of Bush's National Guard disgarce cover rup:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/09/bush_guard_duty/index.html

Among the three most compelling conclusions reached by Lukasiak in his new, meticulous research, are:


<LI>Bush's request to transfer to an Alabama Guard unit in 1972, in order to work on the Senate campaign of a family friend, Lukasiak found, (http://www.glcq.com/trans.htm#_Toc81268477) was not designed to be temporary, but rather was Bush's attempt to sever ties completely with the Texas Air National Guard and find a new, permanent unit in Alabama for which he was ineligible, where he wouldn't have to do any training during his final two years. His superiors in Texas essentially covered for Bush's getaway. However, the Air Reserve Personnel Center (ARPC) in Denver, Colo., which had final say, uncovered the attempted scam, put an end to it, and admonished Bush's superiors for endorsing Bush's bogus request. (The CBS News report shows that the locals were chafing at interference from "higher-ups" presumably connected to the powerful Bush family.) In the interim, Bush simply ignored his weekend duties for nearly six straight months, not bothering to show up at military units in either Alabama or Texas.



<LI>The White House has conceded that Bush missed some required weekend training drills, but insists Bush promptly made up those drills and earned enough annual credits for an honorable discharge. In fact, according to Lukasiak's research, (http://www.glcq.com/fraud_text.htm#_FRAUDULENT_PAY_AND) based on the procedures in place at the time requiring that makeup dates be completed within 15 days before or 30 days after the date of the drill missed, between half and two-thirds of the points credited to Bush for substitute training were fraudulent. Some of the points credited to Bush were "earned" nine weeks beyond the date of the missed drill. According to Air Force policy, Bush could not have received permission for substitute training that far outside the accepted parameters. The evidence is also overwhelming that Bush failed to get authorization for substitute training in advance, suggesting the points were awarded by the Texas Air National Guard retroactively and without any supporting paperwork. The fraudulent points are key, because without them Bush would have fallen far short of meeting his annual obligation, which meant he should have been transferred to active duty for 24 months and made eligible for service in Vietnam.



On Oct. 1, 1973, Bush received an honorable discharge from the Texas Air National Guard in order to move to Boston and attend Harvard Business School, where he was still obligated to find a unit in Massachusetts to fulfill his remaining nine months of duty, or face being placed on active duty. Once again, Bush made no such effort. But the Air Force in Denver, acting retroactively, in effect overturned Bush's honorable discharge and placed him on "Inactive Status" effective Sept. 15, 1973. When Bush left Texas, his personnel file was sent to Denver for review. The ARPC quickly realized Bush had failed to take a required physical exam, his Texas superior could not account for his whereabouts covering nearly a 12-month period, and because of absenteeism Bush had failed to "satisfactorily participate" as a member of the Texas Air National Guard. Bush's "Inactive Status" meant his relationship with the Air Force (and the Guard) was severed and he was therefore eligible for the draft.

[Northcal19]

I thought all the records had BEEN released!! I don't suppose some daming files were being withheld. Huh?

Okay so now it is confirmed: Using daddy's influence he gets into the champagne unit to avoid Nam. Hangs around for a while, then disobeys an order to take a physical and can no longer be a pilot. He makes up some story about not wanting to fly because they are discontinuing the use of the plane he flew, he hits the road for Alabama, his spokesman says he finished up his service there but that story is obviously a lie ( I mean someone mis-spoke) and then using influence he gets an honorable discharge.

I dno't fault the guy for trying to stay out of that stupid war, but he and his people sure have 'misspoken' a lot about this.

[obie]

Tom Ridge, please go directly to the red alert courtesy phone. Tom Ridge, red alert courtesy phone...

[Chicago1871]

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[IntheNet]

This is all fueled by Bubba's frantic call last week to Kerry before doctor's began futile search for Bubba's heart! Bubba told Kerry to dig up old records on the President and allege some Guard conspiracy, to get the public's attention off of Kerry's Vietnam service! Thus, the KerryCo. campaign sprang to attention and detailed their Rag-in-Chief, The Boston Globe, to commence publication of the results of their "long-term" investigation of GWB's Guard Service, in the same publication style of their earlier condemnation of the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth! Calls from KerryCo were also directed to ABC, which commenced final production of its "60 Minutes" episode on same Guard Service. KerryCo also knotched up its criticism of GWB, based on Bubba's suggestion... KerryCo directed all local Dem outlets to refuse to mention the word "Vietnam" in future campaign rhetoric, but instead focus upon anything GWB/Guard related! In his 90-minute call to Kerry, Bubba also told the Senator to keep his wife quiet and hidden, and to quickly hire a bunch of minority lackeys on campaign so such folks of color would be seen apparently helping out on KerryCo. initiatives. For his part, as soon as hanging up phone, Kerry himself rushed to West Virginia and was seen holding up a semi-auto shotgun... the photo an attempt to flip/flop his position on gun control and attract NRA supporters to his now floundering campaign!

[Claymore]

Calls from KerryCo were also directed to ABC, which commenced final production of its "60 Minutes" episode on same Guard Service.

Oops.

[Chris M.]

Oops.

Oops is right. How in the hell did you make it that far into his post? ;)

There is one thing that has always bothered me about this. I have known lots of people in the Guard and Reserves. The way I understand it, if you are leaving your state for three months, you simply get your @$$ back there one weekend a month for your training. Because you can put in a request to move your training forward or back several weeks, Bush could have simply completed one training exercise early, before going to Alabama, and put the last one off until he returned to Texas after the Senate campaign.

That would have left him with a whopping ONE weekend where he would have to get on a plane Friday afternoon in Alabama; make that grueling two hour flight to Texas; fulfill the service obligation he agreed to; and return to Alabama Monday morning.

[Dr. Wankler]

Oops is right. How in the hell did you make it that far into his post? ;)

Well, for me, I think it's the same impulse that makes other people gawk at traffic accidents or follow fire engines. That morbid curiosity that these things arouse in other people for me finds an outlet in certain BS posts. It's the combination of naivite combined with meanness that you know full well is going to result in the poster shooting himself in the foot, and I can't take my eyes off it. In real life, I'd hate myself for laughing at a ranting man limping around from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, but in the metaphorical world of bigsoccer, I admit it's pretty funny. Now, let's see if a certain anyone comes back and posts something about a certain presidential candidates alleged self-inflicted wound.

[peledre]

Why didn't any of this come out in '00 when Bush ran for president the first time?

[Yankee_Blue]

Here's the mistake. Everyone knows GWB. You either hate him, love him, or dont care one way or another. This issue was brought up before the 2000 election. Noone cared then. Noone cares now. The same people on here that are hyping this issue were the same ones crying about the swift boat veterans group.

[superdave]

It did, but the conservatively biased media would let it slide, so it was always a one day story. It got overshadowed by anything negative about Al Gore, true or not.

[peledre]

It did, but the conservatively biased media would let it slide, so it was always a one day story. It got overshadowed by anything negative about Al Gore, true or not.
Conservatively biased media? Come on Dave.

[Dan Loney]

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[Claymore]

Oops is right. How in the hell did you make it that far into his post? ;)


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