Gay Republican Group Won't Endorse Bush

[Matrim55]

The Log Cabin Reeps are pissed. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20040908/ts_nm/campaign_bush_logcabin_dc_5)

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Leaders of the largest group for gay men and lesbians in the Republican Party voted overwhelmingly against endorsing President Bush for re-election because he favors a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, The New York Times said on Wednesday.

The board of the Log Cabin Republicans voted 22-2 on Tuesday night against endorsing Bush, the newspaper said, citing a spokesman for the group.

Log Cabin in 2000 endorsed Bush against Democrat Al Gore, and in 1996 endorsed Republican Bob Dole against incumbent Democrat Bill Clinton.

The group in February criticized Bush for supporting the amendment. "Writing discrimination into our Constitution violates conservative and Republican principles," Executive Director Patrick Guerriero said at the time. "This amendment would not strengthen marriage -- it would weaken our nation."
What effect this will have on the 1,000,000 gays and lesbians that voted republican in 2000 remains to be seen. Many of them will likely go to the Kerry camp, but for many the board's vote will be a symbolic one. Still, this could play a key role in the election if states like Florida, New Mexico, Iowa and Wisconsin are as close as last time.

[zverskiy yobar]

The Log Cabin Reeps are pissed. (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=564&ncid=564&e=4&u=/nm/20040908/ts_nm/campaign_bush_logcabin_dc_5)


What effect this will have on the 1,000,000 gays and lesbians that voted republican in 2000 remains to be seen. Many of them will likely go to the Kerry camp, but for many the board's vote will be a symbolic one. Still, this could play a key role in the election if states like Florida, New Mexico, Iowa and Wisconsin are as close as last time.

I guess you missed the part where they criticized Kerry.
Just because the group doesnt endorse Bush doesnt mean Kerry gets all, let alone any of the 1,000,000 votes they claim to represent.

I am sure the LP is quickly sending info to the "log cabin" GOP'ers to possibly keep those votes in the Anti-Communist camp.

[bojendyk]

I am sure the LP is quickly sending info to the "log cabin" GOP'ers to possibly keep those votes in the Anti-Communist camp.


In other words, you're saying that these votes will go to Kerry, because if there's one thing that all of this Nam talk has taught us, it's that there was only one candidate actually over there, kicking commie ass.

[FlashMan]

they got what they deserved. maybe they can help undo the damage.

[Claymore]

The only surprise here is that there are any Gays left in the openly hostile GOP.

[Foosinho]

I am sure the LP is quickly sending info to the "log cabin" GOP'ers to possibly keep those votes in the Anti-Communist camp.

You anti-commie wingnuts are crazy. News flash: it's not 1984 anymore! Stalinism is not socialism! Democrats are neither communist, nor socialist!

[riverplate]

Let's talk about cutting off one's nose to spite one's face, and the downward spiral of the gay community.

Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans, said his group "proudly supports the president's firm leadership in the war on terror... We especially applaud the president's leadership in cutting taxes for American families and small businesses, his belief in free-market principles and his compassionate and historic leadership in the global fight against HIV/AIDS."

In addition, Bush had met with gay supporters in 2000 and, according to the New York Times, afterwards "pronounced himself 'a better person,' and his administration appointed several gay men and lesbians to official positions."

Yet after all this, the Log Cabin Republicans are willing to throw Bush overboard because they've been brow beaten by the unelected, self-appointed, radical leaders of the gay community, who insist that the paramount issue which should concern gays is the marriage one. It's become a magnificent obsession.

Forget about terror, forget about taxes, forget about small gay businesses hoping to succeed, forget about keeping government off your back. You're nothing but a traitor to your "community" if you support Republicans in any way/shape/form.

Dump Bush because you can't get legally hitched to the latest boyfriend. I think I've heard it all, but I guess we should have seen this coming. It's no secret the leaders of the gay community are far leftists. Anyone who has observed the Gay Pride parade or the Halloween parade in places like New York will fully understand that the radicalization machine has been in full swing for some time in the urban areas where gays congregate. These events have been politicized to the point of nausea.

I don't know how many of you have ever leafed through a so-called gay newspaper, but the ultra-liberalism (to put it mildly) is astounding. Christ!, the Village Voice couldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. I'll bet The Nation picks up pointers from them.

The great tragedy of all this is that while gays are becoming more accepted every day in America, they are going to allow themselves to be pulled out of the mainstream of American politics by the nut jobs in charge. As a result, there is probably going to be a backlash. We're seeing this in the marriage amendment controversy.

For years, gays have wanted to be accepted as anybody else in society. When they are on the threshold of achieving that status to a good degree, they are now going to turn off a large portion of moderates/centerists sympathetic to their existence by embracing the whole agenda of the left wing of the Democratic Party. Watch a Gay Pride parade and see how many radical causes are being touted which have absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. They're playing into the hands of those who oppose them. Dragging extra baggage into the debate about their lifestyle.

Gays are in serious danger of going the route of blacks, in which 90%+ run out on election day and mindlessly pull the lever for whoever is listed as the Democrat. Another demographic willingly turning their brains off and permitting itself to be taken for granted.

The gay marriage issue is practically a non-issue, if cooler heads would prevail among gays. Many polls show Americans willing to go along with some form of domestic partnership or civil union. They fully understand and have no problem with a sensible desire for equal housing rights, to file joint tax returns, to include one's partner on a health care plan, to make it easier to obtain things like power of attorney in the event one partner is incapacitated and a bitter family tries to move in and take control of events. These are common sense wants and needs.

They can be accomplished without causing the imbroglio that demanding gay marriage has brought about. There are plenty of people in favor of partnership/unions, but who draw the line at a sanctified marriage. The compromise is obvious. Gays should forget about insisting on saying "I Do" to a city hall flunky or some priest and compromise on this issue--and, in reality, it's not a compromise, but an ADVANCE for gay rights. Why do they act as if they would be losing something if the matter is resolved this way? It's absurd.

As far as the constitutional amendment is concerned, the amendment is being brought up in RESPONSE to the gays going "a bridge too far." The call for an amendment DID NOT come first. It is an overboard reaction to an overboard demand.

The fact is the same-sex amendment will not happen. It is not going to receive anywhere near the support it requires to become part of the Constitution. That's why it costs Bush nothing to say he backs it. It's a bone to the far right (excuse the expression). Realizing this, the Log Cabin Republicans should relax. Simply come out and make this clear. Act level-headed, let America know they have other priorities, that there really are gays out there who don't inject their sexuality into every damn issue.

And while they're at it, the Log Cabin folks can praise Dick Cheney's rejection of the amendment, and point out that the vice-president hasn't been locked out of his office in the White House, he's still being invited to the same dinner parties, and there have not been mass "kick Dick off the ticket" revolts by Republicans at his campaign stops.

Gays: Grow up!

[Foosinho]

Yet after all this, the Log Cabin Republicans are willing to throw Bush overboard because they've been brow beaten by the unelected, self-appointed, radical leaders of the gay community, who insist that the paramount issue which should concern gays is the marriage one. It's become a magnificent obsession.

Forget about terror, forget about taxes, forget about small gay businesses hoping to succeed, forget about keeping government off your back. You're nothing but a traitor to your "community" if you support Republicans in any way/shape/form.

You mean like this guy (http://www.andrewsullivan.com/)?

[IntheNet]

Gay Republicans? Log Cabin Guys? This sounds like a very small group! I mean.... do both members object to President Bush or just one of them?

[Claymore]

long, hateful, homophobic/borderline racist rant

In other words, ignore the fact that the political party you belong to and want to succeed has no use for you other than your blind obedience. Nevermind the fact the the official party platform adopted by the GOP would, if successful, relegate you to second-class citizen status.

Yeah, great stuff.

[Casper]

Gay Republicans? Log Cabin Guys? This sounds like a very small group! I mean.... do both members object to President Bush or just one of them?
There are a lot of gay voters in battleground states like Florida and Wisconsin. I wouldn't dismiss the relevance of the most prominent gay Republican organization if I were you. If the LCR's rejection of Bush moves some of those voters to "someone else," it could be a relevant development.

[texgator]

What? Gays guys don't like Bush.....who knew? But I'm sure they approve of the Vice President, Dick.

[riverplate]

You mean like this guy (http://www.andrewsullivan.com/)?

From Andrew Sullivan's website:
NO BUSH ENDORSEMENT: From Log Cabin Republicans. I'm impressed by the lop-sided vote against Bush, as well as their care to insist that they do not reject all his policies - just the discriminatory ones. They did what they had to do, in my opinion. But it's terribly sad, nonetheless.

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Gee, how deep. This guy ought to know better. He should be battling the enemies within, instead of contributing to the fabrication of outside ones.

[IntheNet]

I wouldn't dismiss the relevance of the most prominent gay Republican organization if I were you...

Hard to think about gay issues and the homosexual agenda when a terrorist hijacks the plane you are flying on, or flies a plane into a building you are working in! If these Log Cabin Republicans are sincere, they need to rank priorities in life, and "life" always ranks #1~

They should vote for Bush and save this piddling for the closet!

Cheney's announcement last week, combined with the President's overall support of them, goes farther than they asked for!

IntheNet

[Finnegan]

combined with the President's overall support of them, goes farther than they asked for!

IntheNet

WHAT? Head explodes.

[655321]

Cheney's announcement last week, combined with the President's overall support of them, goes farther than they asked for!



Jesus...you don't know who you're own party, do you??

[La China Poblana]

There is ample precedent in American history of the demands of minority and disenfranchised groups for full and equal participation in American life being met with a response by those in power that these groups should be satisfied with whatever limited rights those in power deign to allow these groups to have.

[Casper]

Hard to think about gay issues and the homosexual agenda when a terrorist hijacks the plane you are flying on, or flies a plane into a building you are working in! If these Log Cabin Republicans are sincere, they need to rank priorities in life, and "life" always ranks #1~

They should vote for Bush and save this piddling for the closet!

Cheney's announcement last week, combined with the President's overall support of them, goes farther than they asked for!

IntheNet

Please sharpen your logic. If the Log Cabin Republicans had gotten more than they asked for from Bush/Cheney '04, they would have endorsed Bush/Cheney '04. I can't express how obvious this is.

The campaign made a calculated decision on balancing the gay vote and the religious right. We now know who won.

[Danwoods]

Hard to think about gay issues and the homosexual agenda when a terrorist hijacks the plane you are flying on, or flies a plane into a building you are working in!
IntheNet

Multi-tasking isn't a Republican strong point is it. Can't work on domestic issues and foreign issues at the same time, can't fight two wars successfully at the same time, can't walk and chew gum, etc.

[Danwoods]

The campaign made a calculated decision on balancing the gay vote and the religious right. We now know who won.

If you count the number of gay voters and the number of voters that attend church this seems to be a logical choice. Did I miss something?