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GringoTex
08 Sep 2004, 09:32 AM
Mind-blowing stuff

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/08/graham/[/size]

Sept. 8, 2004 | As the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman during the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks and the run-up to the Iraq war, Sen. Bob Graham tried to expose what he came to believe were national security coverups and manipulations by the Bush administration. But he discovered that it was hard to reveal a coverup playing by the rules. Much of the evidence the Florida Democrat needed to buttress his arguments was being locked away, he found, under the veil of politically motivated classification.

Now, as he prepares to retire after 18 years in the Senate, the normally cautious former governor of Florida is unleashing himself in a new book, "Intelligence Matters: The CIA, the FBI, Saudi Arabia and the Failure of America's War on Terror."

In his book, Graham asserts that the White House blocked investigations into Saudi Arabian government support for the 9/11 plot, in part because of the Bush family's close ties to the Saudi royal family and wealthy Saudis like the bin Ladens. Behind the White House's insistence on classifying 27 pages detailing the Saudi links in a report issued by a joint House-Senate intelligence panel co-chaired by Graham in 2002 lay the desire to hide the administration's deficiencies and protect its Saudi allies, according to Graham.

Dr. Wankler
08 Sep 2004, 09:38 AM
What's the over/under on posts equating Sen. Graham with Kitty Kelley?

chad
08 Sep 2004, 09:41 AM
If you read books, the terrorists will attack.

Love,
Dick

IntheNet
08 Sep 2004, 09:42 AM
The lowdown on Ms. Kelley (from Encyclopedia.Com):

"Kitty Kelley (born April 4, 1942) is an American author, journalist and biographer famous for her tabloid-esque approach to biography writing, and her books often contain many embarrassing and sordid anecdotes about the people she profiles. Kelley will name some sources, conceals other if she feels it necessary, passes on some rumors and scotches some others. Like most muckrakers Kelley's truthfulness has been called into question. She has had the tables turned on her by George Carpozi, Jr. with his 1997 book Poison Pen"

In short... when she needs filler material for her books, she makes it up; like M. Moore and others!

Claymore
08 Sep 2004, 09:44 AM
The lowdown on Ms. Kelley (from Encyclopedia.Com):

"Kitty Kelley (born April 4, 1942) is an American author, journalist and biographer famous for her tabloid-esque approach to biography writing, and her books often contain many embarrassing and sordid anecdotes about the people she profiles. Kelley will name some sources, conceals other if she feels it necessary, passes on some rumors and scotches some others. Like most muckrakers Kelley's truthfulness has been called into question. She has had the tables turned on her by George Carpozi, Jr. with his 1997 book Poison Pen"

In short... when she needs filler material for her books, she makes it up; like M. Moore and others!

Wow, that didn't take long at all.

bojendyk
08 Sep 2004, 09:45 AM
The lowdown on Ms. Kelley (from Encyclopedia.Com):

"Kitty Kelley (born April 4, 1942) is an American author, journalist and biographer famous for her tabloid-esque approach to biography writing, and her books often contain many embarrassing and sordid anecdotes about the people she profiles. Kelley will name some sources, conceals other if she feels it necessary, passes on some rumors and scotches some others. Like most muckrakers Kelley's truthfulness has been called into question. She has had the tables turned on her by George Carpozi, Jr. with his 1997 book Poison Pen"

In short... when she needs filler material for her books, she makes it up; like M. Moore and others!

All of this makes me happy that Sen. Kelley is finally retiring from the Senate.

GringoTex
08 Sep 2004, 12:42 PM
Bump.

What's wrong with you guys? This is huge news

A moderate Democratic Senator universally respected for his objectivity and fair replay has just accused Bush of a 9/11 coverup.

chad
08 Sep 2004, 12:47 PM
Bump.

What's wrong with you guys? This is huge news

A moderate Democratic Senator universally respected for his objectivity and fair replay has just accused Bush of a 9/11 coverup.

Nothing is worng with us, but we all know how this play ends. Nothing will happen. Bush is teflon.

Is it important and interesting? Of course, but that has nothing to do with what sells. Didn't you hear? The terrorists will attack if Kerry wins.

Dr. Wankler
08 Sep 2004, 12:48 PM
Bump.

What's wrong with you guys? This is huge news

A moderate Democratic Senator universally respected for his objectivity and fair replay has just accused Bush of a 9/11 coverup.

Personally, I'd like to read the whole article, but no matter how many times I watch that damn Verizon ad, it won't let me. I've checked my cookie-enabler and everything, and ti won't work. Wankers.

Claymore
08 Sep 2004, 12:48 PM
Hmmm...wonder what Zel Miller has to say about this?

Matrim55
08 Sep 2004, 12:57 PM
Bump.

What's wrong with you guys? This is huge news

A moderate Democratic Senator universally respected for his objectivity and fair replay has just accused Bush of a 9/11 coverup.
And in other news, General Franco's still dead.

Gringo, I think the problem here is that anyone with an oune of sense has already come to the conclusion that BushCo's sold the US to Saudi Arabia for 30 pieces of silver, so Graham's conclusion is unremarkable.

As for the other side of the aisle, it's unlikely that anyone or anything can change their minds about Bush's mandate from god.

obie
08 Sep 2004, 01:01 PM
There could be live video on Fox News of Osama blowing Dubya while they cooked newborn infants in a hot-oil wok and it wouldn't matter to his blindly worshipful followers at this point.

About Graham: yeah yeah, angry misguided crazy liberal stupid dangerous Saddam lover. We've heard it all before. It will take decades, likely long after we're all dead from torture in the Islamo-Christian re-education camps, before someone will be able to write a story about this traitorous Administration without being slandered by the cryongenically-preserved brain of Karl Rove.

superdave
08 Sep 2004, 01:04 PM
GT, for myself, there's little new information here. I mean, the only difference is that the media is gonna have to work harder to ignore Graham than all of the other people who have already brought this up. I mean, geez, how long ago did Dan Loney propose the "make Saudi Arabia into Mushroom Cloudy Arabia" platform?

dawgpound2
08 Sep 2004, 01:08 PM
Are these the same Saudis who have already mysteriously been "heart attacked"?

GringoTex
08 Sep 2004, 01:12 PM
Nothing is worng with us, but we all know how this play ends. Nothing will happen. Bush is teflon.

This is different. This is one of the most powerful senators in the country with the most knowledge of 9/11 of anyone outside the Bush Admin. Watch these legs.

GringoTex
08 Sep 2004, 01:14 PM
Are these the same Saudis who have already mysteriously been "heart attacked"?
Since Bush is covering it up, we have no idea, do we?

chad
08 Sep 2004, 01:15 PM
This is different. This is one of the most powerful senators in the country with the most knowledge of 9/11 of anyone outside the Bush Admin. Watch these legs.

I hope you're right.

Dan Loney
08 Sep 2004, 02:11 PM
Are these the same Saudis who have already mysteriously been "heart attacked"?Good point.

The independent 9/11 Commission (as opposed to the Congressional 9/11 Commission) said that they found no evidence that the government of SA aided Al Qaeda. They also named a couple of names, and said they found no evidence. That seemed pretty clear, but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For one thing, the independent commission said government, and not royal family. For another, only two individuals were named. One a Saudi "citizen" named Bayumi, and the other is the wife of Prince Bandar. There's lots of wiggle room there.

Bush's connections with Saudi Arabia are by now well known - thanks, Michael Moore!

I'm trying to remain slightly objective about this, since I'm pretty much a crank on this issue. Maybe SA is dealing with this properly, behind the scenes. But we don't know. And we have the right to know. We also have the right to know that it won't happen again in the future.

Yeah, maybe Saudi Arabia has been conducting long-term, secret, and successful operations against AQ spies in its government and royal family. But corroborating Gerald Posner's Time magazine article from a couple of years back would not jeopardize those investigations.

I'd love, for my own sense of security, to think of SA and Pakistan as allies instead of secret enemies. But I tend to trust Bob Graham's take on the situation above the Bush administration, to say the very, very least.

Besides, holy sites are supposed to be treated with delicacy. Making those sites radioactive for the next ten thousand years will assure that trespassers and unbelievers will keep away. Just saying.

sch2383
08 Sep 2004, 02:29 PM
I love when politicans are retiring, then they say what they really think. I think this is important, but it will be brushed aside by the White House and since the press corp is too afraid of losing access to actually question them nothing will come of this.

christopher d
08 Sep 2004, 04:01 PM
There could be live video on Fox News of Osama blowing Dubya while they cooked newborn infants in a hot-oil wok
Do you know where one could find an .mpeg of this?

Oh, and Fox simply used this video as further proof that Dubya's doing a fabulous job.