I am not a troll - an apology!

[Teso Dos Bichos]

I created the Rooney and Keane threads to have a proper debate on aspects of those two issues. Unfortunately, I didn't get round to responding in either. I guess that made it look like I was a "troll". Apologies for that guys. Anyway, I didn't post in the original Rooney thread because I was going to be negative and not just soley discuss him. Therefore I felt that would be better in a new thread. I will add my comments to both now. Sorry for the confusion and cheers for all of that negative reputation.

:D

[nicephoras]

No, you are the very definition of a troll, judging by this post in another forum.

You see guys, I have got into trouble in the past for my comments elsewhere. The problem is that once I have been roundly abused and people calm down, they usually see that my comments are actually correct. They might not like the way that I present them, but I guess that is just a character flaw. I cut through all of the crap and don't like to get buried under whatever the general feeling is. In this case it is anger at the terrorists and sadness for the victims. You see, I am rather desensitised from general opinion and moral thought. It allows me to quickly get to the bottom of a subject and form my opinions. What I have said today is true and a lot of people have agreed with it, particularly our SAS man. I can see why you might object to the way in which I have said it and the fact that I blame some of the hostages. However, that is my opinion and I prefer to write what I think. I do not see any point in holding back. My apologies if that offended you. That is the way I am. You either love me or hate me.

[Deuteriumoxide]

No, you are the very definition of a troll, judging by this post in another forum.

But Nice... he ends all his posts with a " :D " that makes it all ok....

[TheSlipperyOne]

He's also been going off on the Politics board saying that because he hasn't seen video evicence a plane was crashed into The Pentagon it may not have happened.

[haven]

A politics board exists? No.... don't tell me that. Keep me away.

Online political arguments and haven are a toxic combination, usually ending with me (figuratively) stalking off in a huff after my (ignorant, stupid, illogical) opponent fails to recognize the brilliance of my arguments. Must....stay...away.

[Rick B]

He's also been going off on the Politics board saying that because he hasn't seen video evicence a plane was crashed into The Pentagon it may not have happened.


Not to mention that re the Hostage Siege in Russia last week, he managed to blame the children for all the deaths because they saw an opportunity to escape. Popular guy this one..........

[United Forever]

Not to mention that re the Hostage Siege in Russia last week, he managed to blame the children for all the deaths because they saw an opportunity to escape. Popular guy this one..........

How can you blame the children for the deaths?! Did they have the guns! :mad:

[Rick B]

How can you blame the children for the deaths?! Did they have the guns! :mad:


Not to my knowledge.........

[United Forever]

Not to my knowledge.........

So he is trying to say it it their fault because they tried to save their lives!

[Clan]

A politics board exists? No.... don't tell me that. Keep me away.

Online political arguments and haven are a toxic combination, usually ending with me (figuratively) stalking off in a huff after my (ignorant, stupid, illogical) opponent fails to recognize the brilliance of my arguments. Must....stay...away.

Each to their own poison.
There are a few boards on here that i never, ever visit - they're just full of utter bollox.

World Rivalries and Politics are at the top of the list!

[Rick B]

So he is trying to say it it their fault because they tried to save their lives!


I won't comment as I don't want to disrespect Motterman by destroying this thread. Just go to Mass Hostage Taking in Russia (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=134884) and have a read through. Some of it obviously isn't very pleasant as posts were put up as events happened.

[Teso Dos Bichos]

Here we go, yet again... yawn. :(

The Pentagon incident. Someone created a thread and I responded by saying something like "anything is possible". Everyone knows that two planes hit the WTC, we have all seen it and that has been what the entire focus of 9/11 has been on. In that sense, the pentagon and the other crashed plane have generally been ignored. The only time that I have heard anything concrete about the pentagon was on 9/11 itself. There are lots of sites with various conspiracy theories ranging from a missile, to a truck, to a bomb, etc... I stated that these have been allowed to form because the pentagon has been ignored. My main point was that until I had seen conclusive proof that a plane crashed into the pentagon, which no-one on that thread had provided, then I would keep an open mind. I do not see anything wrong with that opinion.

The Russian hostage situation. I had two main opinions on this. Here is the first. The Russian forces had completely mis-managed the entire situation. This has also been the opinion of the Russians, press, analysts and experts, including our SAS guy. So I fully stand by that opinion as most people agree with that fact. My second opinion was more contentious. I stated that the chaos and blood bath was started by some stupid hostages trying to make a run for it. The fact remains that it was some hostages who started the battle, which the Russian forces had neither fully prepared for or wanted to enage in. This was backed up by the Russian forces on the ground and the Russian command in Moscow. The chain of events were that a van was allowed into the school to remove dead bodies, some hostages (adults or children - unknown) made a run for it, terrorists opened fire, Russians were forced to respond, an explosion occured and chaos ensued. For that reason, I put some blame onto these hostages who had tried to escape.

Others disagreed and the thread turned rather nasty. To clarify. Most people admit that some of the hostages actions caused that blood bath to errupt. Yet in the same sentence, they absolve them of any blame. I have no idea what kind of weird moral logic that was applied, but that concept makes no sense at all. They are either responsible or they are not. There is no middle ground. You should take a look at the theory of moral relativism, something that I follow. But that is beside the point. People will always disagree.

If someone disagrees with me, then post your own opinion and we can discuss it if you wish. I have no problem with that, as that's what message boards are for. I will respect your opinion, even if I strongly disagree with it. That didn't occur though. Instead people, including certain moderators in this thread, decided to dismiss my opinion and instead abuse me. They broke the rules and continued to abuse me (even posting various ways in which they hoped I would die) and then started to harass me in different threads and boards. This is a perfect example. Despite not breaking any rules, I have now been banned from the politics board. This is the direct result of ignorant people refusing to accept an opinion that differs from their own and thus censoring me. Not very mature. Even the mod responsible for my ban has refused to respond to my PM. Which sums up the ignorant attitudes of the majority of that board perfectly.

If you want to discuss anything with me, then I am only a PM away. I will respond to your points in a sensible manner. What I will not do is abuse you, wish you were dead, be ignorant or harass you in other boards. I refuse to lower myself to their level. This entire episode smacks of a modern day witch-hunt.

Could we now get put and end to this? As I have said, if you wish to discuss anything with me in a mature manner, then just send a PM.

[mixmastermatt]

Teso Dos Bichos ass wankos knob suckas - please leave the building imidiatley!

this guy is a troll!!!

get rid of him!

Zani is a troll but has a comedy element to him - this guy is plain knobcheese! he is an offensive little dick!

[johno]

Teso Dos Bichos ass wankos knob suckas - please leave the building imidiatley!

this guy is a troll!!!

get rid of him!

Zani is a troll but has a comedy element to him - this guy is plain knobcheese! he is an offensive little dick!

come on... you have had your moments too matt..

[mixmastermatt]

yeah but i got over that stage of my bigsoccer life!!!

[Paddy31]

My main point was that until I had seen conclusive proof that a plane crashed into the pentagon, which no-one on that thread had provided, then I would keep an open mind. I do not see anything wrong with that opinion.

The evidence is pretty compelling. Hundreds (thousands!) of eyewitness reports, the physical evidence at the site, air traffic control logs...there is conclusive and incontravertable proof. You need to be a fairly serious conspiracy theorist to reject it. However, I understand where you are coming from. The comparatively limited media coverage has lead to some bizarre speculation, which you've seen. And the hard facts haven't been publicised to the extent that the new york attacks have. But trust me, there was a plane crashed into the Pentagon.

The fact remains that it was some hostages who started the battle, which the Russian forces had neither fully prepared for or wanted to enage in.

OK. Again I understand how you have reached this interpretation of the facts, but it was the terrorists who started it BY TAKING THE KIDS HOSTAGE (sorry, mustn't shout). I understand from the Russian media, that a group of hostages tried to make a run for it. They were "inspired" to do this as the terrorists had started shooting adult male hostages and chucking them out the window.

However all reports at the moment are very sketchy and eyewitness accounts vary.

I think you were being deliberately provocative, and more than a little insensitive. However, I fully support your right to argue this point as you were not abusive and welcomed the debate.

I disagree strongly with your points and hope I have made a decent arguement that persuades to reevaluate your position (woolly liberal strikes again)

[prk166]

How can you blame the children for the deaths?! Did they have the guns! :mad:

Holding back...

Gotta hold back on tastless joke.....

Focus....


Ya, poor kids. Habing terrorists point guns at your head would be bad enough but then to have the guy who's supposedly going to save you being Putin. Talk about being doomed. What a mess.

[prk166]

My second opinion was more contentious. I stated that the chaos and blood bath was started by some stupid hostages trying to make a run for it. The fact remains that it was some hostages who started the battle, which the Russian forces had neither fully prepared for or wanted to enage in.


It's contentious because at this point it is NOT fact, merely speculation. GIven the lack of forthrightness on the part of the russian government, I doubt we'll ever know.



This was backed up by the Russian forces on the ground and the Russian command in Moscow. The chain of events were that a van was allowed into the school to remove dead bodies, some hostages (adults or children - unknown) made a run for it, terrorists opened fire, Russians were forced to respond, an explosion occured and chaos ensued. For that reason, I put some blame onto these hostages who had tried to escape.


EVen if such a thing occured, what do you expect? Were they supposed to sit around and wait to be gassed to death? Given how Russia's handled terrorism and Chechneya to date, those hostages had no reason to have a single ounce of faith that the Russian forces were capable of getting them out of there alive, let alone that the forces had any regards for getting them out of their alive.

[Przybylinski]

The guys in the Red on Rep Points I guess that alone shows where he stand with people.

I won't even comment on the sh1t he wrote. Not worth the time.

[Rick B]

What our friend Tesos neglects to mention is that he called the Children who tried to escape - Idiots. Thats why .

In this post he calls the Hostages idiots (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3143650&postcount=94)

and then this is what got the whole of the politics forum so upset and ultimatly his ban from the forum, plus the attacks on im by many Mods and others.

Post where he says ALL DEATHS AND INJUTYS ARE THE FAULT OF THE HOSTAGES (http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3143657&postcount=96)

So don't come looking for sympathy especially after the second post ive linked here. That was out of order as we were all watching these kids die on TV.