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Gazanfer
27 Sep 2004, 02:50 PM
Go on any official website and u'll see the tiger is much stronger than the lion plus on animal planet's the most extreme show the tiger place 4'th in the countdown guess what the lion placed//// none for strength

It is indeed interesting to see so many people trying to defend the Tiger, and in most of the cases,It is personal favoritism which plays place.Maybe because some regions have only one species of the big cats.

However,Analysing the two beasts, Several factors come into play.

First,it is wrong and unfair to compare the two cats.A Tiger is a solitary big cat most skilled at hunting and a Lion is a social big cat most skilled at combat.A Tiger never lays claim to be King of the beasts, but just defends his territory.

A Lion owns a Tiger (I dont mean a cakewalk! ) because:

A Lion has a social structure, A PRIDE!!!Consisting of Lions and Lionesses, A Tiger would be meat even if it tried to attack a Lion because a Tiger is a powerful solitary animal, a hunter for it's own sake while a Lion is king,owner and guardian of his army, his pride and a pride behind a Lion in combat leaves no scope for debate.

Now let's consider individual combat.

A Lion is slightlty lighter than a Tiger,but, is that a distinct advantage ? Big cats kill much heavier beasts, but yes, Tiger has some advantage in weight & strength.but the strenghth of a Tiger is built up in stronger hind legs made for a powerful quick leap and sprint
whereas the Lion has stronger forearms made specifically for combat.

A Tiger is skilled at solitary hunting and kills by ambush in the jungle and an occassional combat is purely for territory(As its striped coat implies and it is much skilled than a Lion in that.) But It's not suited for an open challenge in the plains.In an ambush the Tiger is at an advantage compared to Lion (due to ambush and powerful leap), but the mane of the Lion makes it extremely difficult to get any throat grip which is how the Tiger hunts. So with the ambush prospect lost and mane obstructing the throat bite,the Tiger has lost direction.

A male Lion is skilled at combat and it's sole objective is taking control of a pride by periodic combat and conquest of other Lions and defending it's pride.(As it's protective mane imples and it is much skilled than a Tiger at that.)A Lion is not only defending his territory,his position in the pride but also defending his pride against hyenas and other creatures which means he is in combat much more. It's role is open combat in the plains.The protective mane of the Lion protects it against the tiger but the Tiger has no such advantage leaving him in a vulnerable position.


In a one to one fight , the Tiger has initial advantage on behalf of faster leap and strength. But the obstruction of the mane and the combat skills of a Lion plus powerful forearms of the Lion (an advantage in combat) have sealed the Tiger's chances of victory.

The tiger has one distinct advantage against a lion .His instincts & his powerful hind legs will enable him to outrun a Lion to safety,
wounded but Alive ( I am not being funny! ).so it is indeed a stale mate!!!.
Being in a combat with a Lion and getting out alive is no less a victory.Here, we should note this is not cowardice on behalf of Tiger, but instinct, because in nature, a wounded Lion can fall back on his pride and maybe lose his position as king of the pride, but a Tiger will die of starvation.

a Bengal Tiger is constrained for space and hence more agressive,hence a more likely contender and a more fair comparison for a combat with an ordinary Lion, but not with a South African Lion which outmatches him in strength and skills.That is unfair again.

Trying to compare a small Lion with something like a caspian Tiger is not fair.but try to compare any Cat or Bear with an (now extinct) American Lion and it is easier to understand why Lion is king of the Beasts.

The account of a Lion being defeated by a Tiger in Korea because the Lion was smaller and his mane was cut away is hardly fair. Such innovative. These Koreans!!!.


In a fair comparison, Both animals being equal in all terms such as ferocity, species & treatment etc. A Lion owns a Tiger.

BTW, The ultimate carnivore is Man, who eats almost everything, owns and uses everything, keep all the beasts captive and has pushed the ecology to the brink and yes, Man has the credit of making the American Lion extinct by hunting.

sousuke22
27 Sep 2004, 04:57 PM
It is indeed interesting to see so many people trying to defend the Tiger, and in most of the cases,It is personal favoritism which plays place.Maybe because some regions have only one species of the big cats.

However,Analysing the two beasts, Several factors come into play.

First,it is wrong and unfair to compare the two cats.A Tiger is a solitary big cat most skilled at hunting and a Lion is a social big cat most skilled at combat.A Tiger never lays claim to be King of the beasts, but just defends his territory.

A Lion owns a Tiger (I dont mean a cakewalk! ) because:

A Lion has a social structure, A PRIDE!!!Consisting of Lions and Lionesses, A Tiger would be meat even if it tried to attack a Lion because a Tiger is a powerful solitary animal, a hunter for it's own sake while a Lion is king,owner and guardian of his army, his pride and a pride behind a Lion in combat leaves no scope for debate.

Now let's consider individual combat.

A Lion is slightlty lighter than a Tiger,but, is that a distinct advantage ? Big cats kill much heavier beasts, but yes, Tiger has some advantage in weight & strength.but the strenghth of a Tiger is built up in stronger hind legs made for a powerful quick leap and sprint
whereas the Lion has stronger forearms made specifically for combat.

A Tiger is skilled at solitary hunting and kills by ambush in the jungle and an occassional combat is purely for territory(As its striped coat implies and it is much skilled than a Lion in that.) But It's not suited for an open challenge in the plains.In an ambush the Tiger is at an advantage compared to Lion (due to ambush and powerful leap), but the mane of the Lion makes it extremely difficult to get any throat grip which is how the Tiger hunts. So with the ambush prospect lost and mane obstructing the throat bite,the Tiger has lost direction.

A male Lion is skilled at combat and it's sole objective is taking control of a pride by periodic combat and conquest of other Lions and defending it's pride.(As it's protective mane imples and it is much skilled than a Tiger at that.)A Lion is not only defending his territory,his position in the pride but also defending his pride against hyenas and other creatures which means he is in combat much more. It's role is open combat in the plains.The protective mane of the Lion protects it against the tiger but the Tiger has no such advantage leaving him in a vulnerable position.


In a one to one fight , the Tiger has initial advantage on behalf of faster leap and strength. But the obstruction of the mane and the combat skills of a Lion plus powerful forearms of the Lion (an advantage in combat) have sealed the Tiger's chances of victory.

The tiger has one distinct advantage against a lion .His instincts & his powerful hind legs will enable him to outrun a Lion to safety,
wounded but Alive ( I am not being funny! ).so it is indeed a stale mate!!!.
Being in a combat with a Lion and getting out alive is no less a victory.Here, we should note this is not cowardice on behalf of Tiger, but instinct, because in nature, a wounded Lion can fall back on his pride and maybe lose his position as king of the pride, but a Tiger will die of starvation.

a Bengal Tiger is constrained for space and hence more agressive,hence a more likely contender and a more fair comparison for a combat with an ordinary Lion, but not with a South African Lion which outmatches him in strength and skills.That is unfair again.

Trying to compare a small Lion with something like a caspian Tiger is not fair.but try to compare any Cat or Bear with an (now extinct) American Lion and it is easier to understand why Lion is king of the Beasts.

The account of a Lion being defeated by a Tiger in Korea because the Lion was smaller and his mane was cut away is hardly fair. Such innovative. These Koreans!!!.


In a fair comparison, Both animals being equal in all terms such as ferocity, species & treatment etc. A Lion owns a Tiger.

BTW, The ultimate carnivore is Man, who eats almost everything, owns and uses everything, keep all the beasts captive and has pushed the ecology to the brink and yes, Man has the credit of making the American Lion extinct by hunting.

Yah u put this on ebaums and i told u off then so suck it lol

KamikazeTigerFang
27 Sep 2004, 09:15 PM
FiRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO TO STATE SOME FACTS WEATHER PEOPLE BELIVE IT OR NOT THE TIGER IS THE BEST CARNIVORE AND FIGHTER.
A LION WILL BE SEVERLEY SMASHED BY A TIGER AND A SIBERIAN TIGER WILL LITERALY EAT A LION ALIVE! SIBERIAN TIGERS (AMUR TIGERS)
CAN GROW TO BE 1000 POUNDS IM SURE THERE BIGGER ONES BUT THERE SO HARD TO FIND DUE TO THE FACT THEY LIVE IN RUSSIA WICH IS A SNOWY DUNGEN LOCKED AWAY FROM HUMAN EYES, LIONS ARE HYPED UP IN AMERICA AND OTHER PLACES AS WELL INFACT DISNEYS LION KING WAS A FRUADULANT PIECE OF ********, THEY COPIED AFTER A JAPANESE MOVIE CALLED KIMBA THE WHITE LION. IT WAS WAY BETTER THAN THE FAKE DISNEY VERSION BUT THATS BESIDES MY TRUE POINT.
LIONS ARE MORE STIFF THAN TIGERS WICH IS A WEAKNESS TIGERS ARE QUICKER THERE STRONGER AND BIGGER THE MANE IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL A TIGER COULD SIMPLY CLAW A THIGH AND THEN SLOWY GO IN FOR A THROAT BITE AND A SIBERIAN COULD KNOCK A LION OUT WITH A COUPLE BLOWS! DID YOU KNOW TIGER ARE THE ONLY ANIMAL CAPABLE OF KILLING AND EATING A PORCIPINE. TIGERS HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO FIGHT ELEPHANT FOR HOUGHRS UNTIL THE ELEPHANT DIES OF BLOOD LOSS, THREE MALE LIONS WILL RUN FROM A ELEPHANT DUE TO SIZE BUT A TRUE TIGER WILL LOOK FOR A WEAKNESS IN THE ELEPHANT AND USE PROBLEM SOLVING TILL THE JOB IS DONE, THEY CAN KILL CROCODILES TOO. TIGERS DEFINATLEY HUNT ALL TYPES OF SLOTH BEAR AND EVEN FEMALE BROWN BEARS AT LEAST. A TIGER CAN KILL A MALE GRIZZLY AS WELL. DONT GET ME WRONG I AM A BIG FAN OF THE LION BUT THE KING CANT PULL OFF THE VICTORY.

Elliad
27 Sep 2004, 10:18 PM
I agree with you about the Lion King copied from the anime series Kimba the White Lion :) When I watched it in Korea it was retitled as 'Leo, the King of the Jungle' (if my memory serves me correctly)

About the tiger itself, well, your argument's quite convincing, but Gazanfer's also plausible, I think.

persiantiger
27 Sep 2004, 10:42 PM
FiRST OFF I WOULD LIKE TO TO STATE SOME FACTS WEATHER PEOPLE BELIVE IT OR NOT THE TIGER IS THE BEST CARNIVORE AND FIGHTER.
A LION WILL BE SEVERLEY SMASHED BY A TIGER AND A SIBERIAN TIGER WILL LITERALY EAT A LION ALIVE! SIBERIAN TIGERS (AMUR TIGERS)
CAN GROW TO BE 1000 POUNDS IM SURE THERE BIGGER ONES BUT THERE SO HARD TO FIND DUE TO THE FACT THEY LIVE IN RUSSIA WICH IS A SNOWY DUNGEN LOCKED AWAY FROM HUMAN EYES, LIONS ARE HYPED UP IN AMERICA AND OTHER PLACES AS WELL INFACT DISNEYS LION KING WAS A FRUADULANT PIECE OF ********, THEY COPIED AFTER A JAPANESE MOVIE CALLED KIMBA THE WHITE LION. IT WAS WAY BETTER THAN THE FAKE DISNEY VERSION BUT THATS BESIDES MY TRUE POINT.
LIONS ARE MORE STIFF THAN TIGERS WICH IS A WEAKNESS TIGERS ARE QUICKER THERE STRONGER AND BIGGER THE MANE IS NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL A TIGER COULD SIMPLY CLAW A THIGH AND THEN SLOWY GO IN FOR A THROAT BITE AND A SIBERIAN COULD KNOCK A LION OUT WITH A COUPLE BLOWS! DID YOU KNOW TIGER ARE THE ONLY ANIMAL CAPABLE OF KILLING AND EATING A PORCIPINE. TIGERS HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO FIGHT ELEPHANT FOR HOUGHRS UNTIL THE ELEPHANT DIES OF BLOOD LOSS, THREE MALE LIONS WILL RUN FROM A ELEPHANT DUE TO SIZE BUT A TRUE TIGER WILL LOOK FOR A WEAKNESS IN THE ELEPHANT AND USE PROBLEM SOLVING TILL THE JOB IS DONE, THEY CAN KILL CROCODILES TOO. TIGERS DEFINATLEY HUNT ALL TYPES OF SLOTH BEAR AND EVEN FEMALE BROWN BEARS AT LEAST. A TIGER CAN KILL A MALE GRIZZLY AS WELL. DONT GET ME WRONG I AM A BIG FAN OF THE LION BUT THE KING CANT PULL OFF THE VICTORY.

LMBAO (the B stands for beautiful)
can you try that in small letters now?

seriously where the hell did all these freaks came from? My threads always attract outsiders... just look at the number of votes.. crazy.

KamikazeTigerFang
27 Sep 2004, 11:21 PM
I Type In Capslock Or Big Letters As You Refered To Because I See No Point In Lowcase And Im To Lazy To Maker Certain Things Capital? Lol

I Don't Realy Understand What You Are Saying I Hope You Are Not Calling Me Freak. Lol

I Was On The Net Looking For Tiger Vs Lion Clips And It Displayed A Link To This Site I Came Here To Discuss What I Belive About The Animal Realm Not Have Stupid Arguments About
my Letters Being Big!

KamikazeTigerFang
27 Sep 2004, 11:25 PM
OH AND BY THE WAY PLEASE CAN SOMEBODY PUT UP A LINK TO THE TIGER VS LION FIGHT THAT I HAVE DESPERATLY BEEN WANTING TO SEE SO MUCH.
OR SEND ME THE FILE MY EMAIL IS
KINGTIGERTEETH@YAHOO.COM
I WOULD REALY APRECIATE IT A LOT. :D

skipshady
27 Sep 2004, 11:30 PM
I Type In Capslock Or Big Letters As You Refered To Because I See No Point In Lowcase And Im To Lazy To Maker Certain Things Capital? LolPlease don't post in all caps. It's considered shouting and it's incredibly hard to read - you do want people to read your posts, don't you?

KamikazeTigerFang
28 Sep 2004, 12:26 AM
Oh I see im kind of new to forums I had no ideal ok
Can some one pleeeeez send me that tiger vs lion fight or post a working link?
KingTigerTeeth@yahoo.com

yimmy
28 Sep 2004, 12:35 AM
I agree with you about the Lion King copied from the anime series Kimba the White Lion :) When I watched it in Korea it was retitled as 'Leo, the King of the Jungle' (if my memory serves me correctly)


There's an episode of 'The Simpsons' where they poke fun at the Lion King being copied from Kimba the White Lion. Lisa sees Mufasa (Simba's father) in the clouds and he says to her "Kimba, I mean Simba! You must avenge my death!"

sousuke22
28 Sep 2004, 02:00 PM
hey dude that posted al in caps i totally agree w/ you 100% tigger kick ass and i would send u the vid but it is 12mb and yahoo can only hold up to 10mb per email/// by the way the tiger wins just to let u know...

Seriously i've looked everywhere for more clips does anyone know where the hell they are are they in some vault of like korean pit fighting films cuz people in diff forums say they've seen them and i want to know how or if it's a load of ********** lol pardon me

Txtriathlete
28 Sep 2004, 02:06 PM
I agree with you about the Lion King copied from the anime series Kimba the White Lion :) When I watched it in Korea it was retitled as 'Leo, the King of the Jungle' (if my memory serves me correctly)

About the tiger itself, well, your argument's quite convincing, but Gazanfer's also plausible, I think.

Yeah that cartoon was Baaaaad! i loved it. The graphics are kindy corny by todays standards but back in the day they were creme de la creme after the Tom and Jerry that was made in the 50s.

KamikazeTigerFang
28 Sep 2004, 03:48 PM
Crap I Have To Get A Hold Of That Fight You Guys Have To Help Me Get That Clip!!!!!!

KamikazeTigerFang
28 Sep 2004, 04:09 PM
I have found an email acount that has 1 gb of space so can some one please send the fight to me!
HAMSTARX9@runbox.com

sousuke22
28 Sep 2004, 05:55 PM
I have found an email acount that has 1 gb of space so can some one please send the fight to me!
HAMSTARX9@runbox.com

yah ur email has igb of space but who's to say mine does/// i'd have to put it in mine which can only hold 12mb and then send it to u but i'll try ok

KamikazeTigerFang
28 Sep 2004, 10:18 PM
oh yeah duh your right well can some body please post the link to the tiger vs lion fight or send me a link to it or some thing please!!

sousuke22
29 Sep 2004, 10:13 AM
oh yeah duh your right well can some body please post the link to the tiger vs lion fight or send me a link to it or some thing please!!
srry dude i think it's offline but som1 sent me it so i don't know how they did ask them i guess

sousuke22
29 Sep 2004, 10:14 AM
by the way i'm still lookin for clips and they're sorta hard to come by anyone dug up anymore interesting ********

KamikazeTigerFang
29 Sep 2004, 03:56 PM
OK COOL WELL.... LOL HOW CAN I ASKE EM IF I DONT KNOW WHO THEY ARE?
LOL. CAN YOU TELL ME THERE EMAIL IM DESPERATE IT HAS BEEN MY DREAM TO SEE THIS!!!
IM GONNA GET A TIGER ONE DAY! i HOPE!
IVE GOT SOME COOL CLIPS OF A JAPANESE BREED OF FIGHTING DOG CALLED THE TOSA INU ILL POST EM IF YOU GUYS WANT THIS IS ABOUT TIGERS AND LIONS THOUGH AND I DONT WANT TO CHANGE THE TOPIC CUZ I NEED TO SEE THE TIGER VS LION CLIP.

KamikazeTigerFang
29 Sep 2004, 03:57 PM
Sorry I Did Not Mean To Do All Caps Again My Bad