why is hildebrand ignored for die mannschaft?

[afgrijselijkheid]

:confused:

i'd tell ya he's the best keeper in the world

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=221463&CPID=22&CLID=&lid=9&title=Klinsmann+wants+keeper+battle

[Robert25]

Well Oli Kahn has something to say about that.

Well Kahn, like the rest of Bayern and the german national team, had their hiccups last season, Kahn remains a great keeper. As reference just look at the last world cup. He was the backbone of Germany and just was increadiable. He has the experiance and leadership as well.

For the German national team their defense was really unsettled. Hopefully now with younger players and new tactics this will change. No matter how good a goalie is, his job depends a lot on his defenders making good choices and executing a gameplan in front of him.

Hildebrand is great and if Kahn struggles then he should be conisdered. But he will get his chance and prove himself internationally, in time.

[Vfbstuttgartfan]

Well Oli Kahn has something to say about that.

Well Kahn, like the rest of Bayern and the german national team, had their hiccups last season, Kahn remains a great keeper. As reference just look at the last world cup. He was the backbone of Germany and just was increadiable. He has the experiance and leadership as well.

For the German national team their defense was really unsettled. Hopefully now with younger players and new tactics this will change. No matter how good a goalie is, his job depends a lot on his defenders making good choices and executing a gameplan in front of him.

Hildebrand is great and if Kahn struggles then he should be conisdered. But he will get his chance and prove himself internationally, in time.

Unfortunately, the WC was two years ago and gives no indication to his present form. The nationalelf shouldn t pick players based on how faithful they are, they should be picked based on how GOOD they are at that time. Thats why Timo doesnt get a chance... Kahn s a great keeper, but i think at his age, he should step aside to let the country s young ones get a chance.

[gaijin]

Surely Timo is one of the best keepers in Germany, besides Oliver Kahn...

I think Jens Lehmann is not good enough for the German NT. He is a liability...

Timo is young and he surely must be the future German no1?

[SirManchester]

Lehman stumbles a lot but he is one hell of a professional and can really perform under preasure when needed.

[wolfsburgh]

Lehman stumbles a lot but he is one hell of a professional and can really perform under preasure when needed.

I hope that was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

[nekkibasara]

I hope that was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

I think Rensing should be given a chance as well.

[Robert25]

Unfortunately, the WC was two years ago and gives no indication to his present form. The nationalelf shouldn t pick players based on how faithful they are, they should be picked based on how GOOD they are at that time. Thats why Timo doesnt get a chance... Kahn s a great keeper, but i think at his age, he should step aside to let the country s young ones get a chance.

But what about the whole experiance thing? Kahn knows how to behave on the largest stage. Its true the WC was two, long years ago, but until he retires or is removed by Klinsmann, he will stay. When he is in form, nothing can get by him.

In kahn's defence I got to say the German defense was not up to the challenge. Sadly the whole german national team was not up to the challenge at Euro2004. If the German defense improves and kahn still struggles, promise I'll cal for Hildebrand as well.

[afgrijselijkheid]

I think Rensing should be given a chance as well.


you can't be serious? for what? his two first team appearances? :rolleyes:

[afgrijselijkheid]

But what about the whole experiance thing? Kahn knows how to behave on the largest stage. Its true the WC was two, long years ago, but until he retires or is removed by Klinsmann, he will stay. When he is in form, nothing can get by him.

In kahn's defence I got to say the German defense was not up to the challenge. Sadly the whole german national team was not up to the challenge at Euro2004. If the German defense improves and kahn still struggles, promise I'll cal for Hildebrand as well.


he has struggled... badly... for about a year - at this point, he should be the #3 at best

[urtel]

The reason why Oli Kahn has international experience and can perform at such levels, is because he was given the chance to play.

There's no reason why Timo Hildebrand can't be the No.1 goalkeeper, just not right away.

[footyfan1]

The reason why Oli Kahn has international experience and can perform at such levels, is because he was given the chance to play.

There's no reason why Timo Hildebrand can't be the No.1 goalkeeper, just not right away.


Keith's Response: I agree with this opinion. And I see people throwing the names of young goalkeepers out there.

Why don't you guys think about this?

Goalkeeper is the one position where the player generally gets better and MORE USEFUL with age and experience.

"Younger" doesn't always equal "Better". Especially when you are talking about goalkeepers.

If you'd seen the press clippings just a few years ago in Germany, you would have believed that Robert Enke and Darius Kampa were going to be the next great German keepers.

Look at them both now......

You just don't know.

I happen to believe Hildebrand is a product of a smothering Stuttgart defense. I'm not saying he sucks or anything, but I don't believe he's as good as some of you make him out to be.

I know I'd still rather have Kahn or Lehmann ahead of him.

And I'd actually rather have Frank Rost before Timo Hildebrand too.

Give Hildebrand time and see if he can keep it up.

The German goal is in good hands right now with Kahn and Lehmann.

Don't be so quick to change. Hildebrand isn't going to change his nationality. When his time comes, he'll get his shot.

As I said, "Younger" doesn't always equal "Better"......



Keith

[urtel]

If you'd seen the press clippings just a few years ago in Germany, you would have believed that Robert Enke and Darius Kampa were going to be the next great German keepers.

It's always a laugh when you look at old articles predicting the "team of the future." Half of those don't pan out. Be it injury, assault, brothels and the list continues.

The old saying goes: if it's not broken, don't fix it. I don't think Kahn is broken. It's safe to say the 2003/4 season was not his best, but he's 35. David Seaman was 40-something when he finally walked away.

This is not an excuse the future in this position! I think it's important for a young keeper to get that international experience. Germany is pre-qualified for the next World Cup, so it would be a good idea to start experimenting when the stakes aren't as high. Schedule a friendly with Brazil. But Hildebrand in net and see how he performs. Nothing to lose, but a little pride.

[Robert25]

I have to argue that the problems concerning Die Mannschaft run a lot deeper than who is in gial. if we did play Brazil right now, no matter who is in goal, they'd have a tough game trying to cope with the talent Brazil has. The defence must improve.

[LoewenBoy]

German keepers have a tendancy of holding on to the position for a long time...in some cases beyond their prime. Look at the past:



Koepke held on too long
Illgner held on too long
Immel was given a chance because he was under Schmacher's shadow for so long, but he only last a few years b/c by then he was used up
Sepp Meier held on 2 years too long IMHO


Fact is Germany develops so many top-rank keepers at the national level because they DO hold on to them for a long time. Basically, since 1968 it has been mostly a Maier, Schumacher, Illgner, Koepke and Kahn party. That's not bad for 36 years...5 keepers? In that time 2 World Cup wins, 3 WC losses. Bet David Seaman would want that record. :)

As Keith points out, Timo may get his chance...but not until he is 30 is my bet. After Kahn goes, Lehman will get a brief chance...then it will be Timo's turn. After that? Hmmm, perhaps one of the good American keepers that is up and coming will "turn" German to get a chance to play at the national level since the US has WAY too many good keepers. :D

[afgrijselijkheid]

Goalkeeper is the one position where the player generally gets better and MORE USEFUL with age and experience.

"Younger" doesn't always equal "Better". Especially when you are talking about goalkeepers.




this is nt a case of younger is better, its a case of better is better - yes, most top keepers are around 30... but there is also casillas, given, cech, etc.