Real Madrid = More English than Arsenal

[lond2345]

the funny thing is, Real Madrid is now more "english" than a lot of teams in the premiership! just wait till Real buys Rooney and they could have 4 english playing! way more than the defending champion arsenal! Something should be done to help the young talent in England or else the National team is doomed. Watching Rooney and Millner play, and knowing both debuted around the same time makes me think that there must be a lot of great english talent not being used. More foreign managers will come (thus bringing even more foreigners) and more of the British managers will nolonger be able to stay away from not bringing in more foreigners to be serious contenders.

More English than Arsenal? Real's Premiership comparison

If Real play Beckham, Owen and Woodgate they will have more Englishman than many Premiership teams, including the champions. These are the Englishmen who played for each side last weekend:

Arsenal: Ashley Cole

Aston Villa: Lee Hendrie, Gavin McCann, Gareth Barry, Darius Vassell, Carlton Cole

Birmingham City: Matthew Upson, Martin Taylor, Emile Heskey

Blackburn: Craig Short, Michael Gray, Jonathan Stead

Bolton: Nicky Hunt, Kevin Davies, Kevin Nolan

Charlton: Luke Young, Danny Murphy, Jason Euell

Chelsea: John Terry, Wayne Bridge, Frank Lampard

Crystal Palace: Danny Granville, Mark Hudson, Emmerson Boyce, Wayne Routledge, Andrew Johnson

Everton: Nigel Martyn, Alan Stubbs, Kevin Campbell

Fulham: Zat Knight, Andy Cole

Liverpool: Jamie Carragher, Steven Gerrard

Man City: David James, Ben Thatcher, Danny Mills, Shaun Wright-Phillips, Steve McManaman, Robbie Fowler

Man United: Gary Neville, Paul Scholes, Alan Smith

Middlesbrough: Chris Riggot, Gareth Southgate, Ugo Ehiogu, Ray Parlour, Stewart Downing

Newcastle: Robbie Elliot, Jermaine Jenas, Nicky Butt, James Milner, Alan Shearer

Norwich City: Robert Green, David Bentley, Simon Charlton, Darren Huckerby, Adam Drury, Craig Fleming

Portsmouth: David Unsworth, Steve Stone, Linvoy Primus, Andy Griffin

Southampton: Kevin Phillips, David Prutton, Peter Crouch, Jason Dodd, Danny Higginbotham

Tottenham: Paul Robinson, Ledley King. Paul Ifil, Jonny Jackson, Jamie Redknapp, Sean Davis, Jermain Defoe

West Brom: Russell Hoult, Darren Purse, Jonathan Greening, Geoff Horsfield, Paul Robinson, Riccardo Scimeca

[McGinty]

If Real play Beckham, Owen and Woodgate they will have more Englishman than many Premiership teams, including the champions. These are the Englishmen who played for each side last weekend:
If by many Premiership teams, you mean three, then you would be correct. You forgot Jermaine Pennant for Arsenal, by the way. He came on as a sub. Plus, Sol Campbell is hurt.

[Warren_S]

If by many Premiership teams, you mean three, then you would be correct. You forgot Jermaine Pennant for Arsenal, by the way. He came on as a sub. Plus, Sol Campbell is hurt.

Jermaine Pennant isn't a regular. Only Campbell and Cole are.

Most Arse fans hate England, and they couldn't care less whetherr they have English players or not.

[canzano55]

Hehe. I like this thread, it puts some important, unnoticed issues in perspective.

[sinner78]

Most Arse fans hate England, and they couldn't care less whetherr they have English players or not.

Hate?? errrrr dont think so ,pal .
Thats crap .

[michaec]

Most Arse fans hate England, and they couldn't care less whetherr they have English players or not.What a load of crap. And if you're not prepared to state who you support I'm going to have to assume it's Spurs with comments like this and treat you with the relevant large dose of contempt.

[Warren_S]

What a load of crap. And if you're not prepared to state who you support I'm going to have to assume it's Spurs with comments like this and treat you with the relevant large dose of contempt.

I know plenty of "Gooners" who couldn't careless about England or if there any English players in the team. In fact plenty of "Gooners" were supporting France in Euro2004 and were glad England were knocked-out.

Just check-out some of the Arse message boards.

[sendorange]

You mean US gooner fans. Not the ones who represent the majority of gooners in and around the London area and actually go to games.

lond2345 if you're going to copy and past an article at least give the link to the source you stole it from.

[Clan]

Hehe. I like this thread, it puts some important, unnoticed issues in perspective.


Is that right?

Perhaps you could do the same for the Italian clubs then - put out their starting lists of Italian players?
Yes, i know Serie A hasn't began yet, so do it from the last game of last season - and we'll take a look at who they bought in the off season as well eh?

Same for any la Liga posters that feel like commenting.

[The Double]

Same for any la Liga posters that feel like commenting.

Thanks to Claudio ********ing Ranieri, Valencia is the Italian B team.

But spaniards?

Vicente
Marchena
Albeda
Baraja
Canizares
Mista

Thats a healthy amount of regular starting Spaniards, IMO.

[jumhed]

So Spurs had the most English players? That's pretty cool!

[Mith242]

I disagree about that Arsenal fans could care less about England. The subject has arisen on several occasions. I think what the general concensus was is that why get rid of the good team chemistry just to make sure you have enough "Englishman" on the team. That and Wenger is rather good about going out and getting good deals on players. Honestly it's just not going to be easy to pick up good English players very cheaply. The way Madrid Real is picking them up you know there are plenty of other teams looking also.

[canzano55]

Is that right?

Perhaps you could do the same for the Italian clubs then - put out their starting lists of Italian players?
Yes, i know Serie A hasn't began yet, so do it from the last game of last season - and we'll take a look at who they bought in the off season as well eh?

Same for any la Liga posters that feel like commenting. With little money being seen, Serie A is becomming more and more ethnically inclined than it ever was.

Milan: Nesta, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso

Inter: Toldo, Cannavaro

Juve: Buffon, Zambrotta, Tacchinardi, Miccoli, Del Piero, Leggrolataglia

Roma: Panucci, De Rossi, Perotta, Pelizzoli, Totti, Cassano, Delvecchio

The majority of the second tier teams have managed to hold on to their foreign talent for the most part, all of them however originally have at least 4-6 starting players who are Italian:

Brescia, Siena, Palermo, Sampdoria, Lazio, Parma

[Clan]

With little money being seen, Serie A is becomming more and more ethnically inclined than it ever was.

Milan: Nesta, Maldini, Pirlo, Gattuso

Inter: Toldo, Cannavaro

Juve: Buffon, Zambrotta, Tacchinardi, Miccoli, Del Piero, Leggrolataglia

Roma: Panucci, De Rossi, Perotta, Pelizzoli, Totti, Cassano, Delvecchio

The majority of the second tier teams have managed to hold on to their foreign talent for the most part, all of them however originally have at least 4-6 starting players who are Italian:

Brescia, Siena, Palermo, Sampdoria, Lazio, Parma

All in all though, it's not a great deal different is it?
The money part being the main issue i suppose.

I wasn't having a go at you, just trying to get a point out that it's the same all over the top leagues in Europe.

[kaberon10]

While Real have acquired 3 Englishmen, we are still a mostly Spanish squad. Starting we have Raul, Casillas, Helguera, Salgado, and sometimes Guti and Morientes. The bench has Cesar, Mejia, Pavon, Borja, Juanfran, Celades, and Raul Bravo. Our manager is also Spanish, and played for Spain and Real as well. 3 Engishmen, 2 Brazilians, 2 Argentines, and a smattering of other countries rounds out the side. Portillo's also a Spaniard, but he's on loan to Fiorientina (scored a hat trick for them recently -- keep an eye on him).

[Its only Ray Parlour]

Rubbish, how many of those will start the majority of games for Real? Beckham is a starter and Woodgate will likely be. Which is equivalent to Cole & Campbell for Arsenal. Owen is effectively Real's fourth choice forward & if you're going to go down that route then you have to consider Pennant, Hoyte & Taylor as part of that equation. Which makes 5 English players in the first team squad. That's leaving aside David Bentley who's gone out on loan to gain Premiership experience before being fully integrated into first the team.

[canzano55]

I wasn't having a go at you, just trying to get a point out that it's the same all over the top leagues in Europe. No worries friend, I never interpreted it that way to begin with ;)

[Powdered Water]

It's a good thing though, truly competitive and pursues greatness beyond the boundaries of nationalism. Forward leaning as some might say.

As for the issues of local talent, it's to do with how we teach, not what foreigners do. Maybe we teach our kids to 'win' too young, when we should be teaching them to 'express themselves' till they get older.

[leafster]

Having 3 English players on the Real roster only shows that there is large amount of respect for English players in other leagues. A good thing in my opinion.

[ferricfoot]

Among each of the domestic leagues, is there a premium placed upon a national? Meaning that an English player is worth more in England than on the continent? Of course, at the highest levels, a 25 million pound player will be worth 25 million pounds, but at lower levels, don't clubs have to "overpay" in order to get a national?

Wenger, who seems to go for value (and youth) rather than finished products, would be loathe to "overpay" for a player just because he is English. (See "Jeffers, Francis")

I wonder if teams in Spain and Italy face this dilemma.