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dror_khayat
27 Jul 2004, 09:13 AM
Hellow,friends!lately,I use to verify this subject in many other forums and I want to verify it in this forum to.I want everybody to give me a list of his best 10 european club sides ever(just club sides and just from europe!!!).in your list mark specific historicall teams in specific period,for example:liverpool-early 80's,etc...
after you give me your best 10 historicall teams I will give you my best.
thanks!!!

comme
28 Jul 2004, 05:16 AM
1.Milan 1988-95
2.Real Madrid 1956-63
3.Honved 1948-56
4.Ajax 1969-73
5.Bayern Munich 1973-6
6.Benfica 1960-5
7.Inter 1962-5
8.Barcelona 1990-4
9.Liverpool 1976-84
10.Juventus 1982-6

I'm probably being a bit harsh to Liverpool (see another discussion in the Premiership forum) but that's a roughish list based on quality of team, players and to some extent rophies won. Also i have looked for teams who have achieved over eras rather than just one season.

Catenaccio-maldini
28 Jul 2004, 08:00 AM
3.Honved 1948-56

which team is that ?
i know at that time Turin was the BEST !

AFCA
28 Jul 2004, 08:09 AM
Ajax 94-96 :D

Seriously though, one of the toughest teams to beat in those days. Played 2 CL finals, vicorious in one, lost on penalties in the other one, kicked the crap out of Zaragoza in the Euro Super Cup, won the Toyota Cup on penalties, and did all that with a young team that played with flair and a very modest budget in comparison to the powers of those days (not very different from nowadays powers btw)

comme
28 Jul 2004, 09:33 AM
3.Honved 1948-56

which team is that ?
i know at that time Turin was the BEST !

Kispest Honved of Hungary.

Torino were quality in the post-war era until the Superga disaster in 1949. Sadly they didn't have the competition to prove quite how good they were.

Arsenal_fanUK
28 Jul 2004, 06:19 PM
Weres Man Utd 99' Treble Winners, They Would Of Beaten Those Over-rated Sides From The 60' And 70's And 80's

EscoDU01
28 Jul 2004, 06:33 PM
Give me a break! Man Utd 99 was not good enough to carry the jock straps of Real Madrid in the di Stefano years!

eejit
28 Jul 2004, 06:39 PM
Nottingham Forest 1977-1979

Double European Cup Champions
English Div1 Champions
44 matches unbeaten in top flite (only bettered by AC Milan although Arsenal may do it next year looking at their fixtures).

CRonaldo_07
28 Jul 2004, 11:01 PM
Weres Man Utd 99' Treble Winners, They Would Of Beaten Those Over-rated Sides From The 60' And 70's And 80's

pshh

try telling that to benfica and eusebio, coluna, simoes etc

benfica arnt the team they used to be..but they are rising once again

comme
29 Jul 2004, 04:24 AM
Weres Man Utd 99' Treble Winners, They Would Of Beaten Those Over-rated Sides From The 60' And 70's And 80's

It was a great achievement, although I believe that Celtic, Feyenoord and PSV Eindhoven had already achieved it and Porto matched it last year.

Anyway in winning the Champions League United faced very little top opposition. In the group they only beat Brondby while both Inter and Juventus were out of sorts in Serie A.

It's easy to say that United were better, but who exactly do you think they were better than?

comme
29 Jul 2004, 04:28 AM
Nottingham Forest 1977-1979

Double European Cup Champions
English Div1 Champions
44 matches unbeaten in top flite (only bettered by AC Milan although Arsenal may do it next year looking at their fixtures).

Good team but not really one of the greats, they lack the real star players, and sustained dominance to compare with these teams. They have only won one title in their entire history. All these teams are multiple domestic trophy winners as well as cutting it on the international stage.

eejit
29 Jul 2004, 01:30 PM
Good team but not really one of the greats, they lack the real star players, and sustained dominance to compare with these teams. They have only won one title in their entire history. All these teams are multiple domestic trophy winners as well as cutting it on the international stage.

Disagree. They are one of the great TEAMS, their record proves it. What you appear to be talking about is dynasties where clubs have dominated for a period of years. This is different to being a great team as it involves financial power, fan support etc.

That Forest side built by Clough was pretty much unbeatable for 20months but they lacked the resources to continue the domination although they still punched well above their weight for a club of Forest's size. Of course the next great Liverpool side emerged to continue English domination of European football during that particular era.

comme
29 Jul 2004, 02:34 PM
Disagree. They are one of the great TEAMS, their record proves it. What you appear to be talking about is dynasties where clubs have dominated for a period of years. This is different to being a great team as it involves financial power, fan support etc.

That Forest side built by Clough was pretty much unbeatable for 20months but they lacked the resources to continue the domination although they still punched well above their weight for a club of Forest's size. Of course the next great Liverpool side emerged to continue English domination of European football during that particular era.

They did very well but despite being unbeatable for 20 months, they still only won a single league title. Also the calibre of opposition they faced is pretty poor. In the two European Cup winning seasons they only played two decent teams, Liverpool in the first round in 78/9 and Hamburg in the final in 79/80.

They were a great unit and the achievement of promotion, title, European Cup and then to retain it is unimaginable in the modern game but they are not quite up to this illustrious grouping in my opinion.

unclesox
29 Jul 2004, 03:26 PM
It was a great achievement, although I believe that Celtic, Feyenoord and PSV Eindhoven had already achieved it and Porto matched it last year.
Porto lost their domestic Cup final to Benfica, 3-2. ;)

writered21
29 Jul 2004, 03:32 PM
Give me a break! Man Utd 99 was not good enough to carry the jock straps of Real Madrid in the di Stefano years!

Well I would hope not - those are some old a$$ jocks.

dror_khayat
29 Jul 2004, 04:52 PM
I have 6 favourite historicall european club sides:
milan-late 80's/early 90's
ajax-mid 90's
ajax-early 70's
liverpool-late 70's/early 80's
juventus-mid/late 90's
real madrid-50's
about the rest 4 to complete my list,it's more difficult but I can give you 5 that can compete:
benefica-early/mid 60's
barcelona-early 90's
inter-mid 60's
juventus-early/mid 80's
bayern munich-late 90's/early 2000's

Toon³
29 Jul 2004, 06:43 PM
I'd put 73-76 Bayern at the top. I don't think anyone could beat them on there day.

Where is Accrington Stanley 1894 side? First World Club Champions and held it untill the first Intercontinetal Cup which was em...... i forget. but still over 60's unbeaten isn't bad? Eh?

herewego
30 Jul 2004, 11:19 AM
I agree Bayern Munich from the early seventies. In summer 1974 about half of the team (Maier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Breitner, Hoeneß und Müller) were reigning World Champions, Euro Champions, Euro Club Champions and German Champions.

SirManchester
30 Jul 2004, 11:59 PM
I agree Bayern Munich from the early seventies. In summer 1974 about half of the team (Maier, Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Breitner, Hoeneß und Müller) were reigning World Champions, Euro Champions, Euro Club Champions and German Champions.


Yes, absolutely correct! And this with German players, unlike many other teams that are considered great. Nothing that I can think of lacked in this side.

On another note, the four best teams in the history of Europe, statistically, are Real Madrid, AC Milan, Liverpool and Bayern Munich.

Remember two years ago? when they held a little tournament in Madrid with these four teams? I remember it fairly well because Bayern won it!

Parkhead_Faithful
31 Jul 2004, 12:11 AM
Celtic 67-mid 70's

Winning the european cup in their first ever appearance in it, a team in which every player in it was born within a 20 mile radius of the stadium, who despite going out in the first round the year after clocked up another final appearance in 70 losing on a controversial goal deep into extra time to feyenoord, set a domestic record of 9 league titles in a row and reached the quarter finals at least of the european cup somewhere between 5-8 years in a row, I cant remember the exact figure.