I hate high school rules.

[Elroy]

Originally posted by italia_in_02


They don't absorb the impact, they protect against the hyperextension of the finger.

How do they do that? By absorbing some of the shock from the ball. Duh!! You say tomayto, I say tomahto.

At least they're consistant. H.S. rules are dictated by school officials deathly afraid of tort liability. They are paranoid about any supplement bracing as a potential danger to other players. I can't say that I always agree with them, but - oh well!

[Becks7]

how many world class keepers wear Fingersaves?

You may feel that they don't absorb impact, but i had a pair of FS Titaniums and they absorb the pace of the ball. Thats how I feel, and we're all entitled to our opinion so i'll leave it at that.

[Bill Archer]

I finally managed to get a little more info on the Fingersave deal.

Apparently, a kid in Columbus showed up with Fingersaves that were split somehow up the back of one finger.

The referee decided that the plastic spines constituted "splints" and that they presented a potential hazard. He forbade the kid to wear them.

So far, so good.

But then he filed a report about these secret spines in adidas gloves, and after no rational examination whatsoever, the Ohio High School Athletic Association issued a directive to all refferees to ban adidas Fingersaves AND Reusch Orthotecs.

Not having a clue, a turdhead last Saturday refused to let my kid play in Uhlsport Powerframes, which just have some padding on the back of the hand.

A State assistant commissioner told me today that they are enforcing the rule prohibiting "splints" unless properly padded. Problem is, it would seem to me that there's plenty of padding back there.

It's idiotic. Another assistant commissioner told me it was a National Rule, that Ohio would simply not be going it alone; I told her that it was INDEED Ohio which is banning a glove worn all over the world at every level. She had no response, but it's clear she didn't believe me.

Unreal.

[Becks7]

Originally posted by Bill Archer


Not having a clue, a turdhead last Saturday refused to let my kid play in Uhlsport Powerframes, which just have some padding on the back of the hand.

It's idiotic. Another assistant commissioner told me it was a National Rule, that Ohio would simply not be going it alone; I told her that it was INDEED Ohio which is banning a glove worn all over the world at every level. She had no response, but it's clear she didn't believe me.


That is quite rediculous. Support Frames only offer support on the wrist when catching.

who is ur assitant commissioner?

[Roush]

Originally posted by Bill Archer
The newest one came down this week: they've banned adidas "Fingersave" type gloves. We are supposed to check.

WTF? What is wrong with those types of gloves? Protecting the safety of kids (preventing jammed/sprained fingers) is a bad thing?

[Elroy]

Originally posted by Roush


WTF? What is wrong with those types of gloves? Protecting the safety of kids (preventing jammed/sprained fingers) is a bad thing?

The idea - even if it's a stretch - is to protect other players from injury from the splints should they become exposed.

[BerwynBlazers]

another thing on red cards..

In illinois they have 2 kinds of red cards, a "Soft" red and a "Hard Red". If it's a soft red, we can sub back in again, a hard you can't. Then you have to sit out 1 game.

[thurd]

Originally posted by BerwynBlazers
another thing on red cards..

In illinois they have 2 kinds of red cards, a "Soft" red and a "Hard Red". If it's a soft red, we can sub back in again, a hard you can't. Then you have to sit out 1 game.
dont they call those yellow cards?

[Roush]

Originally posted by Elroy
The idea - even if it's a stretch - is to protect other players from injury from the splints should they become exposed.

If that's the case, I can understand the Puma Ortho-Tec gloves being banned, because the splines can easily become exposed. At the wristline on the back of the glove, there's a velcro strip so that you can remove the splines in both the thumb and each finger. But the adidas model is completely enclosed...

Quite a stretch... I hate high school sports.

[BerwynBlazers]

Originally posted by thurd

dont they call those yellow cards?

no yellow cards are yellow?

[Hattrix]

Originally posted by italia_in_02


Anyway, if the player isn't good enough to know how to catch a ball correctly, then they wouldn't buy the gloves because they'd be too much money to spend on a player that's going nowhere.

Poor logic. How many crappy drivers do you know who have already crashed their birthday presents?

[Hattrix]

Originally posted by BerwynBlazers
another thing on red cards..

In illinois they have 2 kinds of red cards, a "Soft" red and a "Hard Red". If it's a soft red, we can sub back in again, a hard you can't. Then you have to sit out 1 game.

Someone's lying to you. For each kind of red, you're out for the rest of that game and the next one. All double cautions are a soft red. Hard reds require the team play a man down--but they're rarely given.

[dj43]

There are some things I don't like about HS soccer but first one thing I DO like about it.

The HS format of training and/or playing everyday is useful in preparing the player for college soccer. This as opposed to club ball where a player trains 2-3 nights a week and plays games on weekends will help the player become more accustomed to the pace of the college season.

The other thing that is good about HS is the importance of each individual game as teams compete for a playoff spot. In club ball the teams play so many games that the individual games become relatively meaningless up until State Cup. Again, for those going on to college, where again, the success of the program is measured by qualifying for playoffs, any points lost for ties when you could have won, may knock you out of playoffs. Consequently, players must be constantly focused on each play in each game to assure they don't miss out on playoffs.

A final plus about HS is that they don't have that ridiculous US soccer institution called "tournaments."

Tournaments, as set up in the US, are the most anti-player device we have. They cause players to learn to pace themselves in many games so they don't become so exhausted they can't play in the finals. Even so, players DO become exhausted and injuries are the frequent result. I recently heard a statistic that indicated that the highest injury rate is for finals games. The obvious intimation is that it is fatigue related.

In college, the pros, and in HS, there is enough time between games so that players can recover physically so they can play the game at 100% level without having to conserve energy for the second, third and fourth games of a tournament.

Those are some things I LIKE about HS soccer.

What I hate is the fact that in many places JV plays at the same time as varsity. The result is JV doesn't have the chance to see the next level.

Also, JV gets only a single officials, with no side officials at all. The effect this has on the way the game is played is huge. It is impossible to stay as compact on defense as you must because the ref will never be positioned to call offsides as closely at they should.

Also players learn they can foul much more than they should because the ref won't see them.

That is the way I see it as both a club and HS coach.

[kebzach]

Originally posted by Dr. Wankler
Do any of the high schools still play four quarters instead of two halves?

not in IL. that died out after my freshman year (1991 season)

[kebzach]

Originally posted by Elroy
I love all this whining and crying about high school soccer. It's the American version of Euro-snobbery.

I like the following about high school soccer:

1. Their scores get reported in the paper - sometimes there are even stories. Very few, if any, club teams get any coverage at all.
2. They play at night under the lights.
3. They perform before decent ( even large ) crowds.
4. A responsible organization watches out for the well being of the players academically.

Yeah, H.S. soccer is not good everywhere. Neither is club.

I like the idea of co-champions instead of a shootout. No one can convince me that a shootout has anything at all with determining who is the better team. It is no more a part of soccer than a quarterback sack. If two teams are still tied after 120 mins, then maybe there isn't that much difference. I've been on both sides of shootouts and if someone must advance in the tournament, I'd just as soon see a coin toss. To say to posterity that team A is better than team B b/c of PK's is an intolerable cannard.

I also like the idea of having to sub a player on a caution. These are not seasoned pros. I like the idea of some sort of mandatory time out to allow the coach to educate his player about self control.

There are a lot of silly rules peculiar to the H.S. game, but I put up with them for the sake of the kids.

I agree 100%. As a former H.S. player and a current H.S. Coach.

[kebzach]

Originally posted by Bill Archer

The newest one came down this week: they've banned adidas "Fingersave" type gloves. We are supposed to check.

that's stupid. speaking as a coach and former goalkeeper who loves fingersave gloves.

[IASocFan]

Originally posted by dj43
What I hate is the fact that in many places JV plays at the same time as varsity. The result is JV doesn't have the chance to see the next level.

Also, JV gets only a single officials, with no side officials at all. The effect this has on the way the game is played is huge. It is impossible to stay as compact on defense as you must because the ref will never be positioned to call offsides as closely at they should.

Also players learn they can foul much more than they should because the ref won't see them.

That is the way I see it as both a club and HS coach.

In central Iowa, the JV normally precedes the Varsity game. (Except when there are darkness considerations, and the Varsity is first). Almost all Varsity and JV games are done with 3 NFHS/USSF certified officials. Freshman games use a two-man system and usually occur before the JV games.

[kebzach]

Originally posted by BerwynBlazers
another thing on red cards..

In illinois they have 2 kinds of red cards, a "Soft" red and a "Hard Red". If it's a soft red, we can sub back in again, a hard you can't. Then you have to sit out 1 game.

"soft red" example- saving a goal with a handball in the box.

[Th4119]

Originally posted by kebzach


"soft red" example- saving a goal with a handball in the box.

For us "soft red" is 2 yellows.

JV plays here with 2-man system and 35 halves, then Varsity 3-man w/40 min.

[Bill Archer]

We play JV w/2 as well, with a 36 minute half. 40 for varsity.

For the "soft" red, you hold up the yellow and the red cards simultaneously, in the same hand. The player is gone but you can sub for him.

The "hard" red of course means you play a man down.

The Keeper glove thing is getting even dumber. Fingersaves are out, also Reusch Orthotec. Uhlsport depends on the ref. My kid was forbidden to use them for a match, then four straight refs said OK, then yesterday another guy said no. (He was po'd, but he wore his Sondicos and played the match of his life against an undefeated side ranked #1 in the state. They scored once, after frying two defenders and putting one into the side netting, but he just rocked.)

It's total chaos. OHSAA claimed they would be sending out a clarification, but they haven't, probably because they've suddenly realized the real implications of what they've done. The last I heard, adidas was sending lawyers. What a riot.