View Full Version : I hate high school rules.
KMcc3913
11 Sep 2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Elroy
I also like the idea of having to sub a player on a caution. These are not seasoned pros. I like the idea of some sort of mandatory time out to allow the coach to educate his player about self control.
The reason I don't like this rule? Here's the deal. Last season, we were playing in a quarterfinal game that was tied 0-0 with about 3 minutes left. The refs sucked this entire game (not to make excuses but if you saw the game, you would never believe it). Our goalie comes to the top of the box to pick up a through ball. A girl is running onto the ball as the goalie is picking up the ball, so the goalie pulls her arms over her head to get the ball out of reach. The girl continues to run onto the goalie and runs right into the goalie's raised arm, looking like an elbow to the face. The ref issues the goalie a yellow card and points to the penalty spot. Because of the sending-off rule, our amazingly great goalie gets sent off the field, and our young, unexperienced backup gets put in for the penalty kick. The result? They scored, and we lost to a team that was getting tired that we could have beat if the game went into overtime. It sucked.
thurd
11 Sep 2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by Dr. Wankler
Interesting. Are state championships for basketball and football televised in your state? Do they have overtime in case of ties? Just curious, as I suspect playing in a televised game might just be at least as pressure-packed than taking a PK in a shootout might be.
thurd: Most of the college games I've been to don't seem to have that rule in effect. I wonder if it varies depending on the conference.
a conference that my friend plays in uses it......division 3 in new england
Nate2L
11 Sep 2002, 07:01 PM
i think unlimited subs is ok IF you don't abuse it like 6 guys at once every time. my coach has a starting 11 and plays us till we are dead(all at different times) then subs us out for a minute then puts us right back in. I think this is one of the best ways to build indurance while playing with out abusing the unlimited rule.
IASocFan
11 Sep 2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by KMcc3913
The reason I don't like this rule? ... The ref issues the goalie a yellow card and points to the penalty spot. Because of the sending-off rule, our amazingly great goalie gets sent off the field, and our young, unexperienced backup gets put in for the penalty kick. ...
The rule is a good one. In my 26 years of involvement with youth and high school soccer, I've seen a lot of strange and incorrect calls. The Rules are not the problem, it's the application.
There are several High School rules I like over the Youth/FIFA rules we use:
- If the team with the ball subs on a throw-in, the other team can also.
- Immediate substitution of cautioned players.
- IFK for team with possesion after stopping for injuries
In Central Iowa, the schools contract with the local soccer officials organization (MISOA), which ensures that officials are USSF, MISOA, and state HS certified. In spring there is no U16 or U19 club soccer, and the club referrees and players do high school. High school soccer gets as much media coverage as any high school sport but football and basketball. Club soccer gets no media coverage.
KMcc3913
11 Sep 2002, 07:24 PM
This pretty much has nothing to do with rules but I was just wondering, when do your boys' and girls' teams play? Fall or spring? Here, in southeast Pennsylvania, both boys and girls play in the spring, but only 30 miles away in Delaware, the boys play in the fall and the girls play in the spring. I know it's off-topic, just wondering...
IASocFan
11 Sep 2002, 09:50 PM
Iowa plays both in the spring. Girls start a couple of weeks behind the boys and go into June after school finishes. At an officials meeting, I heard that spring is the most common season, with winter common in the south and about equal to fall.
pething101
11 Sep 2002, 10:07 PM
In NC, or atleast in my county, guys are playing now, girls start in Feb. I think.
SousaJP
11 Sep 2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by KMcc3913
This pretty much has nothing to do with rules but I was just wondering, when do your boys' and girls' teams play? Fall or spring? Here, in southeast Pennsylvania, both boys and girls play in the spring, but only 30 miles away in Delaware, the boys play in the fall and the girls play in the spring. I know it's off-topic, just wondering...
Northern VA public schools play soccer in the spring, but the private schools play in the fall. DC schools play in the fall. so do Maryland public schools. all very confusing. and to make things even more complicated, club soccer goes year-round for all age groups.
LomaB8
11 Sep 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by firstshirt
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In CT the girls play no overtime in championship games, they are co champs if tied at the end of regulation. the boys play two overtimes and then if still tied, co champs are awarded. Sometimes i wish it was the other way around. back in 97 we lost the state title with 23 seconds left in the second overtime. to play 99 plus minutes of soccer and come away empty handed sucks big time!!!!
That's dumb. They should both have to play over time. I think they limited us to 30 or 35 minute halves and gave us the dumb refs who said things like "Now girls, I don't like to see girls playing rough". :rolleyes: Of course you just know how those games went. Compared to playing club it was very recreational, but as someone already pointed out that its for participation not necesssarily skill building.
We played in the spring as did the boys. In Ontario that meant starting in April although I do recall playing some indoor but that might have been solely club.
Th4119
11 Sep 2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by SousaJP
Northern VA public schools play soccer in the spring, but the private schools play in the fall. DC schools play in the fall. so do Maryland public schools. all very confusing. and to make things even more complicated, club soccer goes year-round for all age groups.
You got that right. If you're in Vienna next Spring I'd reccoment coming to when Chantilly takes it to Oakton if we play them there. :)
Becks7
11 Sep 2002, 10:33 PM
In Alberta Canada
Outdoor:MAy till August, Nationals are in October
Indoor: End of October till March
Originally posted by StingRay37
And isn't a red card 2-game suspension? Or not at all!!!
If you get a red card for "taunting" you only have to sit out the rest of the current game and your team does not have to play short-handed.
GreatGonzo
12 Sep 2002, 06:56 PM
Well, in Colorado, there's the rule that if you get two yellows, you get red-carded and face the normal suspension, but your team can put someone in for him so the team isn't down a man. In the state finals four years ago, the ref gave a kid a second yellow, sent him off, and didn't let a sub on until five minutes later when the coach finally realized what had happened.
Yeah, HS rules are screwed up.
italia_in_02
12 Sep 2002, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Bill Archer
The newest one came down this week: they've banned adidas "Fingersave" type gloves. We are supposed to check.
WTF!??!?! I love those gloves!! Ok.....wait....let me figure this out.....they're banning something that can prevent injury?? Hmmmmm, maybe the next thing will be that you can't wear shinguards or cups!!
Becks7
13 Sep 2002, 12:51 AM
Fingersaves are just excuses for bad technique plus their bulky and expensive. Unless i had a healing finger i wouldn't wear them.
I could see them being banned cuz of the plastic spines...
Ringo
13 Sep 2002, 01:23 AM
If i'm not mistaken, california's seasons are really screwed up. in some parts of the state it's boys in the fall and girls in the spring, and some parts of the state both play in the winter.
there's not a state championship game ... too big of a state to justify the travel expense i assume.
rtung
13 Sep 2002, 02:55 AM
Originally posted by SousaJP
nope. the NCAA allows players to re-enter the game 1 time each half, and again in OT if the game is tied after regulation.
That is. . .gay.
Why not baseball-style substitution?
italia_in_02
16 Sep 2002, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by Becks7
Fingersaves are just excuses for bad technique plus their bulky and expensive. Unless i had a healing finger i wouldn't wear them.
I could see them being banned cuz of the plastic spines...
How are they an excuse for bad technique? They help you to protect your fingers when saving a shot from close in, so that you don't hyperextend your fingers.
Anyway, the spines are protected within the glove, so there's no danger there. But i played in our season opener on friday, and the refs said the gloves were fine
Becks7
16 Sep 2002, 08:14 PM
they are totally an excuse for bad technique.
Spines have that pre-curve to them, and they absorb the impact of a well paced strike.
italia_in_02
16 Sep 2002, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by Becks7
they are totally an excuse for bad technique.
Spines have that pre-curve to them, and they absorb the impact of a well paced strike.
They don't absorb the impact, they protect against the hyperextension of the finger.
Anyway, if the player isn't good enough to know how to catch a ball correctly, then they wouldn't buy the gloves because they'd be too much money to spend on a player that's going nowhere.