Scotland vs Faroe Islands (r)

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Originally posted by VFish


It'd be more effective if you "off'd" your coach. ;)

Youre not kidding
How we managed to play so badly and so disorganised I will never know.
also his selection of players not playing in the premiership over players performing in the SPL needs looking at after the introduction of one of the said SPL players brightened us up in the second half.
Get Maloney on, get Burchill on and get Miller on and let them run at teams.
There is nothing positive I can take from this today.

[Dr. Wankler]

The soccernet match summary. Headline: "Vogt's Horror."

http://www.soccernet.com/europe/2000/20020907/reports/60614_full.html

It's worth clicking on the "Related Story" about what Bertie will not accept any more.

[dlatane]

After the Matt Elliott red-card 1-1 result in 99, I figured Scotland would win this one--but it looks to have been even more of a debacle. The Faroes have a total population of 47,000.

I'd say the Tartan Army will want to wear their jimmyhats reversed after this. Maybe Scotland has a shallow selection pool, but that doesn't mean that Voigts isn't somehow out of his depth.

[SJFC4ever]

I know this sounds crazy, but this is not Vogts' fault. These kinds of performances have been coming for years - I'll give Brown some credit, he hid our inherent deficiencies fairly well for a while - but the problems are fundamental.

1/ Our best clubs don't play our best young players

2/ We have an uncompetitive league

3/ There has been hardly any investment (apart from Murray Park) in proper facilities

These problems MUST be addressed NOW.

[Chris_Bailey]

Can anyone tell me more about the Faroe Islands?

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Originally posted by SJFC4ever
I know this sounds crazy, but this is not Vogts' fault.....

I agree with you to an extent in that we dont do enough to bring young players through and train them properly but today Vogts has to have the finger pointed at him.
Take David Weir, hes a premiership player and he was being run ragged by a professional fisherman today, kyle has played more games for scotland than he has for sunderland and he was awful.
The best players on show today play in scotland so its nothing to do with our league as such, we were disorganised, there was a lack of communication and we didnt do the simple things right, the faroes cut us open at will and it was painful to watch and yet the problem wasnt rectified, yes vogts doesnt have a lot to work with and yes were not the best but the players out there should have comfortably humped the faroes and for that the manager has to take what is leveled at him.

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by Bailey8
Can anyone tell me more about the Faroe Islands?

Starting with where they are. Thanks.

[SJFC4ever]

The Faroes are a small group of islands (like the Shetlands or Orkneys, if you know Scotland) halfway between Scotland and Iceland, a few hundred miles from the mainland of Scotland.

Population 47,000. Only 22% of this is between 15-64, so you have some idea of their football-playing player pool. This population is no bigger than a reasonably-sized Scottish town like Perth or Kirkcaldy, not even 1/10 of the population of Edinburgh or Glasgow. It is THAT embarrassing.

I am almost physically sick as I type this.

[Parkhead_Faithful]

east of iceland
just up from shetland
danish ruled (well they were dunno about now)
population of less than 50,000
seem to be our bogey team.

[SJFC4ever]

Kyle is a haddy. I bet you wish that Rangers had actually signed him from Sunderland now, ;).

I cannot fathom the performances of Weir or Dailly, particularly Weir. These guys play every week, are experienced, and play at a high level. Yet they were awful.

Only Barry Ferguson and Crawford get pass marks in my book.

Tam Cowan (radio/TV presenter and newspaper columnist for non-Scots) was saying before the game that we should just have sent Falkirk FC instead. I think he was joking but I don't think he was far wrong. At least a team of good 1st div. players would have the experience of beating teams of parttimers on a regular basis.

[Dr. Wankler]

Originally posted by SJFC4ever
Population 47,000. Only 22% of this is between 15-64, so you have some idea of their football-playing player pool

If I'm doing the math correctly, that would put 10,340 in this range, and figure that half of them are female, and that, of the males, there probably aren't a lot of people with Sir Stanley Matthews' footballing longevity... I'd guess that there are' probably only 2,500 or so able bodied men to choose from.

I assume, given their location, that fishing is the primary industry.

Dude, I'm sorry to have put you through this.

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Kyle to rangers is still a possibilty come january, he would be an improvement on Flo from a celtic perspective based on what I have seen of him :D

Weir and Dailly are always terrible for us, it further enhances my belief that the english premiership outside of man u and arsenal is the most overrated "big" league on the planet, if everton fans are to be believed weir is dependable and stable and fergie is always keeping one eye on him incase man U need cover!

[SJFC4ever]

Sorry, that "22%" was a typo. 22% of the Faroese population is aged 15-64 and male. So you can double that 2,500 number, not that it makes it any better.

The thing I don't understand about Kyle is that the guy has yet to score a goal for Scotland or Sunderland. So why is he playing in a competitive international? It wasn't as if he's suddenly going to start scoring goals today. Even someone like Craig Brewster would have been a better bet if Vogts was looking for a striker with a bit of physical presence.

This is just sickening. Thank christ I don't have any razor blades or broken bottles near me, ;).

The only hope is that it was so bad maybe the Executive will pull their finger out and save our national sport. Or don't they want the "sick man of Europe" to get any exercise?

[BrianCappellieri]

SoccerNet (http://www.soccernet.com/europe/2000/20020907/reports/60614_full.html)Vogts Horror

Second half goals from captain Paul Lambert and his deputy Barry Ferguson saved Scotland from the humiliation of defeat in the Faroe Islands.

In the end they came away with a 2-2 draw against the part timers who they had also failed to beat on their last visit in 1999.


BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/scotland/2232138.stm)Lucky Scots scrape draw in Faroes

Scotland piled renewed pressure on coach Berti Vogts as they scraped an embarrassing draw against the Faroe Islands in this European Championship qualifier.

Ananova (http://www.ananova.com/sport/soccer/story/sm_666183.html?menu=sport.football)Ferguson doubts Vogts' future

Scotland midfielder Barry Ferguson suggested time may be running out for manager Berti Vogts after the 2-2 draw with the Faroe Islands.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38241000/jpg/_38241391_faroesgoal300.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38241000/jpg/_38241392_faroesceleb150.jpg

[Parkhead_Faithful]

Originally posted by SJFC4ever


Only Barry Ferguson and Crawford get pass marks in my book.

Tam Cowan (radio/TV presenter and newspaper columnist for non-Scots) was saying before the game that we should just have sent Falkirk FC instead. I think he was joking but I don't think he was far wrong. At least a team of good 1st div. players would have the experience of beating teams of parttimers on a regular basis.

Douglas was fine too, he couldnt really have done anything about either goal and he did make a few really good saves 1 on 1 near the end.

Youve been listening to off the ball, the most petty and ill-informed sports programme on radio ;)

[SJFC4ever]

Douglas wasn't far away from being MotM for Scotland today, :eek:. Even then, I wouldn't give him pass marks, maybe 5/10. He let in the first two shots and flapped at a couple of crosses. On the good side he made some important saves late in the game.

In some ways Douglas' performance was quite like his game in Basle with Celtic - he gave up two early goals which he had some chance with, but made some important saves later in the game. But obviously the damage was already done and he has to point the finger at his defenders.


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I actually feel sorry for the Faroes. The only reason they didn't win was because they just got nervous with the winning post(s) in sight, with big chances at 2-0, 2-1 and 2-2 to kill us off. They have improved tremendously, I don't think anyone other than Germany will dismiss them. But this is obviously unacceptable for us.

And to think I was considering buying tickets for the Canada friendly at Easter Road next month before today.....

[Maczebus]

Originally posted by Dr. Wankler


If I'm doing the math correctly, that would put 10,340 in this range, and figure that half of them are female, and that, of the males, there probably aren't a lot of people with Sir Stanley Matthews' footballing longevity... I'd guess that there are' probably only 2,500 or so able bodied men to choose from.

I assume, given their location, that fishing is the primary industry.

Dude, I'm sorry to have put you through this.

Hey if you want Faroe info - this is the page for you.

Done by the friendly chaps at the CIA.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fo.html

[BrianCappellieri]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38241000/jpg/_38241488_fergusonscores300.jpg
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/scotland/2243268.stm)Vogts' disbelief at performance

Scotland coach Berti Vogts expressed disbelief after his side's disappointing 2-2 draw against European Championship minnows the Faroe Islands.

[BrianCappellieri]

SoccerAge (http://www.soccerage.com/en/13/h0793.html)Scotland Comeback Earns Unimpressive Draw Against Remarkable Faroes

Scotland came from two goals down at half time to earn a 2-2 draw in Toftir against the Faroes Islands, who belittled their status as European whipping boys.

[mactheknife]

though i'm scottish, welsh, and english, i dont usually root for any team except england, because, well...scotland and wales aren't so hot.

this proves my point.

the faroe islands? i'm ashamed to be a scot....