Great pic of Terry holding Ricardo back

[caco794]

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david_searle/Football.jpg

I really did think that goal was valid. But, this picture says it all. What a great call by the ref.

[sendorange]

My advise would be to actually watch the footage itself on replay. Terry is clearly not holding the keeper back, Terry was jumping with his arms slightly outstretched, as is natural, and the keeper rushed into him to get near the ball when recovering from his initial slip.

One snapshot doesn't prove anything either way. Only the full footage shows what happened.

[Mikey10]

That picture proves nothing, watch the replay here.

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/notgoal.gif

1. Terry jumps for the ball first.

2. The keeper goes under Terry's arm.

It's not Terry's fault the keeper went under his arm, simple as that. We were robbed of a perfectly good goal, that being said, I can see why others would think differently

[afgrijselijkheid]

it looked then as it does now... big sol's had a second late match knockout winner waived off for no good reason at a major tournament

[sendorange]

The keeper hits Terry in the face with his glove while the ball is still up in the air on that footage.

[phishy]

Hell, if anything, the keeper fouled the 2 players going for the ball... can he bum rush a pile to get there? or is it an automatic foul for impeding the goalie? that is rediculous if you cant go for a 50/50 ball....

[afgrijselijkheid]

Hell, if anything, the keeper fouled the 2 players going for the ball... can he bum rush a pile to get there? or is it an automatic foul for impeding the goalie? that is rediculous if you cant go for a 50/50 ball....


except that was more like an 85-15 ball - ricardo was adrift - had terry not also beaten him to the ball, we would not be having this discussion

[Danks81]

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/notgoal.gif

Soccer's Zapruder Film perhaps?

[afgrijselijkheid]

Soccer's Zapruder Film perhaps?


all it needs is a couple puffs of smoke and some topography

[phishy]

except that was more like an 85-15 ball - ricardo was adrift - had terry not also beaten him to the ball, we would not be having this discussion


well, okay.. 90-10, 85-15.. whatever.. it was always going to be Campbells regardless.. that was my point...

[Matt Clark]

Sorry, but I am going to have to edit the title of this thread. "Great picture of Terry holding Ricardo back" is too wilfully misleading for as measured a place as World Rivalries.

[Matt Clark]

Oh. Except we're not in World Rivalries. HA! :D Dumbass.

Ah well, someone else will have to edit the thread.

[caco794]

That picture proves nothing, watch the replay here.

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/notgoal.gif

1. Terry jumps for the ball first.

2. The keeper goes under Terry's arm.

It's not Terry's fault the keeper went under his arm, simple as that. We were robbed of a perfectly good goal, that being said, I can see why others would think differently

Huh? If it was a perfectly good goal, why would anyone think differently? :) Just pickin' on you.

Anyway, in that replay Terry makes contact with the keeper WAY before Campbell heads it in. That's a no-no regardless if he meant or not. That's the way it is. You CANNOT interfere a keeper in the 6 yard box.

Anyway, I'm very upset that England came out early. The fans were brilliant all throughout the tournament. It's just a shame! :(

[caco794]

That picture proves nothing, watch the replay here.

http://pwp.netcabo.pt/joaomgcd/notgoal.gif

1. Terry jumps for the ball first.

2. The keeper goes under Terry's arm.

It's not Terry's fault the keeper went under his arm, simple as that. We were robbed of a perfectly good goal, that being said, I can see why others would think differently


Btw, I find it extremely funny that the replay you're using is from a portuguese website with the filename "notgoal". lol!!

[burning247]

What a great call by the ref.


that says it all huh? :eek:

I'm tired of explaining this to people so I'll just leave it to the other thousands of England supporters who are reading this crap.

[caco794]

Robb, NJ: Can you please settle this, the Sol Campbell 'goal' was a foul? The commentators were just wrong, Terry was leaning on the keeper, you can't do that.

Derek Rae: (9:08 AM ET ) Nothing like a hot button issue to get us started today.
The English media have become obsessed with whether or not the goal should have stood. My own feeling is that Urs Meier was correct to disallow it. If you watch enough football, you'll know that nine times out of ten, an international referee will not let a goal stand when a player has his hand on the goalkeeper's shoulder. For me, Terry was impeding Ricardo's ability to have a chance of reaching the ball and as we know, goalkeepers get that type of protection in their own six-yard box.
It was a shame for England but I'm with you, Robb.

And Derek Rae is (for ppl that don't know):

Derek joined ESPN International in 1994 and commentates on the big UEFA Champions League and Spanish Primera matches for the network as well as presenting 'Press Pass,' the popular weekly football panel discussion show. Derek previously covered domestic and international football on radio and television for BBC Scotland and won the Sony British Sports Broadcaster of the Year award for his commentary work in 1987.

[McGinty]

The picture means nothing. The replay shows that Terry fairly went up for the ball and got tangled with Ricardo. It seems Ricardo put his arm out for the ball, and Ricardo's arm ended up under Terry's arm. That is the only reason Terry appears to be doing anything remotely illegal.

[metroflip73]

The picture means nothing. The replay shows that Terry fairly went up for the ball and got tangled with Ricardo. It seems Ricardo put his arm out for the ball, and Ricardo's arm ended up under Terry's arm. That is the only reason Terry appears to be doing anything remotely illegal.

And in the penalty area, is the benefit of the doubt given to the opposing field player or to the goalkeeper?

[MarioKempes]

The picture means nothing. The replay shows that Terry fairly went up for the ball and got tangled with Ricardo. It seems Ricardo put his arm out for the ball, and Ricardo's arm ended up under Terry's arm. That is the only reason Terry appears to be doing anything remotely illegal.

We cannot read Terry's intent for certain, but the point is it doesn't matter. As a player, you have to keep your arms at your sides when you jump. You most certainly do not put your arms almost perpendicular to your body. If Terry did not intend to do this, it's unfortunate, but irrelevant, because by doing so he impeded the keeper's ability to get to the ball. Terry damn well knows you're not supposed to do this. This is taught to all players at a young age. How often do we see contested headers where one player puts his arms up and on the opposing player and he gets called for push? It happens quite frequently at all levels. I've seen it in international games, in the Bundesliga, and in MLS. I honestly can't remember seeing it in the Premiereship, but don't let my Alzheimers get in the way.

This isn't about who got where first or even the incidental body contact. That's part of the game. There was no intentional shoving. However, when you put your arm across the keeper's shoulder, especially as he is trying to jump, you leave the referee no choice. This call must be made. Whether or not it was Terry's intention, the call must be made, because his actions may have affected the outcome of the play. We cannot know if the keeper would have gotten to the ball if the player's arm had not impeded it.

I sympathize greatly (but don't not invite sarcasm ;) ) with the disappointment among England fans, but please understand that you were not robbed.

[ONE]

Derek joined ESPN International in 1994 and commentates on the big UEFA Champions League and Spanish Primera matches for the network as well as presenting 'Press Pass,' the popular weekly football panel discussion show. Derek previously covered domestic and international football on radio and television for BBC Scotland and won the Sony British Sports Broadcaster of the Year award for his commentary work in 1987.


boy...he won an award 17 years ago huh? i guess the people who are actually right had best pack up and quit the argument. we've clearly been defeated. :rolleyes:

fact is, there was no way in hell ricardo was going to get to that ball. he was already at almost full extension beacuse he was recovering from the earlier part of the play. then he compounded his mistake by trying to reach into Terry, who'd already made his play for the ball. ricardo was late. and the ref was wrong.
that being said, i can see how Meier made the error..because when a goalie doesnt get a good jump at a ball, instinct says that he's been obstructed. this is the kind of reasoning that allows divers (i.e. filthy cheats) to prosper in soccer. unfortunately its unavoidable.