That Ref..

[Mikey10]

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[Prenn]

http://www.ursmeier.ch/referee/index.html

Knock yourself out.

[Mikey10]

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Very appropriate. :)

[secrecy]

Johm Terry was offside on this play and the A/R missed it. Please go look at all the replays.

Beckham sends the ball in. An English head strikes it up and at goal. At that instant (when you judge offside) Terry is in an offside position completely, bearing in on the goal mouth, active (not passive) in every sense. The ball hits the crossbar and descends into the trio of Terry, Campbell and Ricardo, each contending for it. Offside.

JUST GO WATCH THE TAPE LOOKING FOR THIS INSTEAD OF THE IDIOTIC FOUL CALL THAT WAS MADE THAT IS ALL THAT ANYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO SEE - ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

[Prenn]

Johm Terry was offside on this play and the A/R missed it. Please go look at all the replays.

Beckham sends the ball in. An English head strikes it up and at goal. At that instant (when you judge offside) Terry is in an offside position completely, bearing in on the goal mouth, active (not passive) in every sense. The ball hits the crossbar and descends into the trio of Terry, Campbell and Ricardo, each contending for it. Offside.

JUST GO WATCH THE TAPE LOOKING FOR THIS INSTEAD OF THE IDIOTIC FOUL CALL THAT WAS MADE THAT IS ALL THAT ANYONE SEEMS TO WANT TO SEE - ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

Ahh clearly someone who doesn't understand the offside rule.

Not that the foul was given for offside though.

[secrecy]

Ahh clearly someone who doesn't understand the offside rule.

Not that the foul was given for offside though.

I believe that I do understand the Law and I stand by my view. But Oh, please tell me wise one where I have gone astray. What am I not understanding? What did you see happen?

Offside is not a foul, rather an infraction. And I certainly know that it was not given here (but it should have been and it should have at least been noticed as a counterbalancing topic by all the English who wanted to skewer Meier.)

[Wildman262]

Lads, Neville sums things up nicely, without excuses or blaming refs.

Neville: England weren't good enough 06/07/04
Gary Neville has admitted that England fell short of the players' own expectations in Euro 2004.

The campaign, which began with such high hopes, ended at the quarter-final stage when eventual finalists Portugal went through on penalties.

Manchester United defender Neville said: "Supporters and people back home may well have thought a semi-final place would be par for us and acceptable.

"But that wouldn't have been acceptable for the players because we were looking to go all the way.

"You hear all the excuses about why we went out but, the fact is, we didn't have that extra edge.

"People turned on the referee, injuries and other excuses but, at the end of the day, we were not quite good enough. "

Neville, currently running a soccer camp in Malta, says there were positives for England.

"I do believe the nucleus of the team will be kept on, with some new players, such as Jermaine Defoe and Shaun Wright-Phillips of City, showing what exciting talents they have, " he told the Manchester Evening News.

On his good friend David Beckham's poor form, Neville said: "He is strong enough and a great player, and his football will always do the talking for him."