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[Caesar]

Eh, terrorist attacks can happen anywhere. I'm not too fussed about them - anywhere that hosts the Olympics (including Rio) will have the best security possible against it, and it still might happen anyway.

I'm more concerned about the regular crime. The drug wars there are really out of control. I've always felt safer in cities like Santiago and Buenos Aires than I have in Rio. Heck, I've never been to Sao Paulo but a few people I know who have say that even the crime rate there is better than Rio these days.

I'm not saying RDJ can't get it under control before the Olympics, but it's definitely something they have to work on. I'm not someone who thinks that only Western/European countries should be allowed to host, but I do think that whoever does should have a police force that can at least make a pretence of keeping crime under control.

[kingkong1]

Eh, terrorist attacks can happen anywhere. I'm not too fussed about them - anywhere that hosts the Olympics (including Rio) will have the best security possible against it, and it still might happen anyway.Nope.

Brazil (at least in terms of external politics) exports a 'pseudo', but, at least, an 'independent' & 'socialist' face: terrorists focus on hardcore capitalistic nations.

Rio is safe from them.;)I'm more concerned about the regular crime. The drug wars there are really out of control. I've always felt safer in cities like Santiago and Buenos Aires than I have in Rio. Heck, I've never been to Sao Paulo but a few people I know who have say that even the crime rate there is better than Rio these days.
'Regular crime' as you yourself say is...'regular'.

It can be 'regularly' put at stake, or, if one wishes, temporarilly hindered.

There are (as there have been in the past) agreements between 'organized crime' and 'civil government' during international events.

Besides the Army always plays a role in those occasions & with the Army the drug dealers don't kid.

But, in your so-called 'developed' nations (sinking more & more in the crisis, BTW) there is no agreement between terrorist fanatics and government.

Massacres, bombings, murders, kidnappings can happen at any time and take by surprise any of those countries - especially in an event like the Olympics.

Rio - believe me - is safer than London or Genève.

And waaay more beautiful.;)

(enlarge it: it's worth the 'risk')

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[Caesar]

Nope.

Brazil (at least in terms of external politics) exports a 'pseudo', but, at least, an 'independent' & 'socialist' face: terrorists focus on hardcore capitalistic nations.
If there is going to be an attack at the 2016 Olympics, there will be an attack at the 2016 Olympics - regardless of whether they're in Paris or Moscow or Rio. It's beyond anyone's control, the risk is the same everywhere. Which is why I don't think its an argument for or against Rio.

Rio - believe me - is safer than London or Genève.
That's simply not true. I like Rio, and there is certainly crime in all big cities, but the violent crime statistics for RDJ are horrendous.

The government really needs to sort it out - get on top of the drug war, get the chronic police corruption under control, and do something to get the violent crime statistics down. It can be done - Sao Paulo has made huge improvements in recent years (although still has a long way to go).

Government needs to take it seriously, otherwise it will cop a lot of flak as the Olympics get closer.

[kingkong1]

If there is going to be an attack at the 2016 Olympics, there will be an attack at the 2016 Olympics - regardless of whether they're in Paris or Moscow or Rio. It's beyond anyone's control, the risk is the same everywhere. Which is why I don't think its an argument for or against Rio.Hey, Caesar, stubborn lad.

I've already responded that (& you simply disconsidered it).

Again:Brazil (at least in terms of external politics) exports a 'pseudo', but, at least, an 'independent' & 'socialist' face: terrorists focus on hardcore capitalistic nations.That's a fact.

Take your conclusions.

Period.
I like Rio, and there is certainly crime in all big cities, but the violent crime statistics for RDJ are horrendous.

The government really needs to sort it out - get on top of the drug war, get the chronic police corruption under control, and do something to get the violent crime statistics down. It can be done - Sao Paulo has made huge improvements in recent years (although still has a long way to go).

Government needs to take it seriously, otherwise it will cop a lot of flak as the Olympics get closer.Of course an event like that has to be taken seriously - either here or in London.

A propos, I hope Brittish cops in the OGs of 2012 don't keep massacrating innocent foreign civilians in their subways thinking that they are terrorists.

Something that won't happen here: you'd better be sure.:mad:

[Caesar]

Hey, Caesar, stubborn lad.

I've already responded that (& you simply disconsidered it).

Again:<font size=&quot;2&quot;>That's a fact.

Take your conclusions.

Period.
It's not about targeting Rio or targeting London or whatever. It's about targeting the Olympics. All the same Western nations will be in Rio as they would if they were held anywhere else. The 2016 Olympics are no less of a terrorist target because they're being held in Brazil than they would be anywhere else. Of course an event like that has to be taken seriously - either here or in London. A propos, I hope Brittish cops in the OGs of 2012 don't keep massacrating innocent foreign civilians in their subways thinking that they are terrorists. Something that won't happen here: you'd better be sure. You can bring up stuff like that all you want; the reality is that violent crime is way worse in Rio than London, and the cops are a hell of a lot more corrupt. Lots of work to do.

[kingkong1]

It's not about targeting Rio or targeting London or whatever. It's about targeting the Olympics. All the same Western nations will be in Rio as they would if they were held anywhere else. The 2016 Olympics are no less of a terrorist target because they're being held in Brazil than they would be anywhere else.That's not true.

Terrorism is not totally irrational.

They know that they gotta count on international sympathies.

And the nations that will provide them with that sympathy are generally the non-orthodox capitalist ones (like Brazil, Mexico, China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc).

US, England, Germany, Japan, Italy, Spain, France are the more than favourite targets: they are the sole targets - terrorism focus not in the Olympics itself but the Olympics in one of these countries.

That's more commonplace in world politics than rice in the Asian diet.:D
You can bring up stuff like that all you want; the reality is that violent crime is way worse in Rio than London, and the cops are a hell of a lot more corrupt. Lots of work to do.Of course, there lots of work to do.

Either here or in London.

As I also already said (& you again disconsidered): the OG's or WC's are not an award to the 'more or less corrupt' police departments of the world.

But to the places where they can look more attractive.

Wish you or not, congratulations to the IOC: Rio was a fantastic (& wise) choice.;)

[almango]

Brazil (at least in terms of external politics) exports a 'pseudo', but, at least, an 'independent' & 'socialist' face: terrorists focus on hardcore capitalistic nations.

I wouldn't call Indonesia a hard core capitalist country, but there have been some significant terrorist incidents there. They can happen anywhere, particularly if a lot of visitors to a place are seen as "targets". This is what happened in Indonesia. It could happen in Rio as well, but it could happen everywhere and I'm not singling Rio out. I'm sure the authorities aren't as casual about the risk as you seem to be.

[kingkong1]

I wouldn't call Indonesia a hard core capitalist country, but there have been some significant terrorist incidents there. They can happen anywhere, particularly if a lot of visitors to a place are seen as "targets". This is what happened in Indonesia. It could happen in Rio as well, but it could happen everywhere and I'm not singling Rio out. I'm sure the authorities aren't as casual about the risk as you seem to be.Indonesia is a very Muslim country with hundreds of sects, many of them mortal enemies of each other.

The Brazilian reality is totally differenty.

[Andy TAUS]

Rio - believe me - is safer than London or Genève.:eek: Surely you've been imbibing too much on caipirinha & caipiroska?

[kingkong1]

:eek: Surely you've been imbibing too much on caipirinha & caipiroska?I meant Rio in the OG's or during a World Cup.:cool:

Why? Don't be lazy!... See reasons above mentioned.:D

[kingkong1]

Caipirinha & caipivodka only after the final whistle in the 2014 final :D ...

[Andy TAUS]

Caipirinha & caipivodka only after the final whistle in the 2014 final :D ...It'll be your shout. :D

[kingkong1]

Eh, terrorist attacks can happen anywhere. I'm not too fussed about them - anywhere that hosts the Olympics (including Rio) will have the best security possible against it, and it still might happen anyway.Nope.

Brazil (at least in terms of external politics) exports a 'pseudo', but, at least, an 'independent' & 'socialist' face: terrorists focus on hardcore capitalistic nations.

Rio is safe from them.;)'Regular crime' as you yourself say is...'regular'.

It can be 'regularly' put at stake, or, if one wishes, temporarilly hindered.

There are (as there have been in the past) agreements between 'organized crime' and 'civil government' during international events.

Besides the Army always plays a role in those occasions & with the Army the drug dealers don't kid.

But, in your so-called 'developed' nations (sinking more & more in the crisis, BTW) there is no agreement between terrorist fanatics and government.

Massacres, bombings, murders, kidnappings can happen at any time and take by surprise any of those countries - especially in an event like the Olympics.

Rio - believe me - is safer than London or Genève.

And waaay more beautiful.;)

(enlarge it: it's worth the 'risk')

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5083/praiadabarrat.jpgDon't ever think terrorists will ignore that:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1082621.html

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=93300&sectionid=351020101

[Caesar]

So are we posting random unrelated stuff now? Cool.

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[kingkong1]

So are we posting random unrelated stuff now? Cool.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/popculture/c152/?cpg=cjAm I so stupid?...

No, I didn't get it...:o