Team News XII 2009/2010

[Matakos]

I'm sure some of those Buddha statues are still laying around somewhere. :D
Probably Rensing has hid them in his home and is worshipping them so that they turn him into Oliver Kahn :D

[ForeverRed]

Probably Rensing has hid them in his home and is worshipping them so that they turn him into Oliver Kahn :D

If that's his goal, he better move into a temple.

[Hendrik]

Successful partnership
FCB and Telekom extend deal through 2013

Bayern Munich and Deutsche Telekom AG are to continue their successful partnership into the future. Europe's leading telecommunications company has extended its commitment as main and shirt sponsor of Germany's most successful club by a further three years until 2013, the companies announced at an event on Tuesday at the Allianz Arena in Munich.

"I'm proud we've been able to secure the commitment of our valued partners at Deutsche Telekom for the next few years," commented Bayern general manager Uli Hoeneß. Telekom and Bayern first joined forces in 2002. "The point of view we share with our partner is that a sponsorship agreement like this must offer significant benefits to both parties. In this respect, our work together has been extremely successful," Hoeneß continued.

Performance-related deal

The monetary aspect to the new agreement will remain undisclosed, although Hoeneß revealed that the "good deal" with Deutsche Telekom was "strongly performance-related." Should Bayern "not feature on the international stage for an occasional period," the club would "make concessions", Hoeneß said. On the other hand, the sums involved "will go up if we're extremely successful internationally. There could be icing on the cake."

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http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2009/21412.php

The deal is believed to be worth around €25M a year, a 25 percent increase on the previous one. The Audi deal should be announced in the next few days.

[Bayern4Life]

Successful partnership
FCB and Telekom extend deal through 2013


http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/en/news/news/2009/21412.php

The deal is believed to be worth around €25M a year, a 25 percent increase on the previous one. The Audi deal should be announced in the next few days.
I was just about to ask, no Audi deal so we can send 1860 into space and keep them there. Forever. :D And buy Ronaldo, Kaka and Diego. :eek:

[Bayern_fan]

Ballack left.....No replacement Van Dumbass

Lucio left.......No replacement Badstuber

Ze left..........No replacement Pranjic

Sangol retires..........still no replacement Lell

Kahn retires ............................Rensing

and the list goes on......................

Someone needs to show this to Ulli

[squidward123]

a team of the names on the left would kick ass against the current bayern lineup hah. Even including the retirees

[Equilibrium]

Ballack left.....No replacement Van Dumbass

Lucio left.......No replacement Badstuber

Ze left..........No replacement Pranjic

Sangol retires..........still no replacement Lell

Kahn retires ............................Rensing

and the list goes on......................

Someone needs to show this to Ulli
I'm sure by the end of the summer, a RB, GK and a CM/AM will be coming in the team. Badstuber might be a solid replacement for Lucio, who knows. He's clearly lagged behind in some areas though, that is obvious.

[Bayern_fan]

I am still optimistic about Badstuber.

Eq,
You must be having some conversation with Ulli to inform your confidence.

WHat makes us think we wont have the usual Vahid Hashemian, Valerien Ismael, Ali Karimi, Dos Santos transfers?

[Equilibrium]

Lahm's interview along with our problems becoming even clearer this season than last (which were already clear). He's already confirmed we will be going after a top GK in the summer. CM is the role this season that has been shown to be a huge weakness unless all players are fit. Baumjohann will be leaving and Pranjic (brought first as a midfielder) is seen atm as a failure and Sosa being loaned out, means 3 lost midfielders in Januaryin a way would assume that an attacking or central midfielder should be bought. The full-back position was going to be resolved if it wasn't for Van Gaal in the summer and I'm pretty sure Uli will tell him to f#ck himself if he tries to keep Braaf or Badstuber as starters for LB. Hoeness confirmed with his Lahm bashing-interview that he doesn't see Lahm as a starting RB when he said he must be the only one who sees it that way. Therefore I assume a hunt for a RB will happen and he will be signed maximum in summer time, though a January move is very possible.

This is hypothetical, don't take what I say for certain.

[Marienburg]

Man, everyone is so gloomy around here and shocked the season has been rough. Constant complaints about how sh*t the roster is and how we need to buy an entire new squad. We rolled the dice. We built a team around Ribery and added Robben, two players known for frequent injuries and the gamble has backfired thus far with neither able to get on the field much. When you spend that much on two guys and your name isn't Real Madrid, Barca or Chelsea the rest of your team is not going to be superstars. Added to that the other big ol' signing, Gomez, has thus far been a dud. Unfortunate, but sometimes bad luck happens.

I'm glad management grew a pair and rolled the dice. Sometimes you get crapped on if you take a risk and that's the breaks. I'm sure our transfers in the future will reflect a more conservative approach if this season doesn't turn around (I think people might be very surprised where we are in 3-4 months). Let's break down the blame on Uli everyone is throwing around:

Keeper:
Seriously, would you have been pleased if we spent 25 million euros on Neuer before this season? I wouldn't have been. You had to give Rensing, who is free, and had been heralded by Kahn and everyone to be a world-class keeper another shot and you had Butt looming in the wings who is solid should Rensing screw up. Right decision by management and it really hasn't haunted us.

Fullback:
The coach says he wants Braafheid with Pranjic as a potential back up. Both are cheap and come from a league that our new coach just won the title and is an expert in. Would you really have said "no, we want to spend double on someone else." Also, our defense has been fantastic all year. Sure a weakness is at one fullback spot but our CB's, keeper and Lahm have been great defensively.

Midfield:
Who really thought our midfield had gaping wholes going into this season, especially after we picked up Robben? Tymo was the main spot everyone was clamoring for and management delivered. They also combined two of the best wingers in the sport and made a move to grab a potential up and coming AM: Baumjohann but hedged with multiple other options available like Muller who has been the brightest spot of the season. Also, let's all remember Footy's ravings about how good Baumjohann was going to be.

Striker:
We already had the great partnership of Toni/Klose. We then grabbed the best, young, Bundesliga tested, striker available and added a quality role-player (Olic) on a free. I'm not sure what more you could ask for.

I think those putting so much blame on management are a little short-sighted. If they were cobbling together such a terrible team then where was everyone in pre-season complaining of what a crap roster we had. If you want to place blame then I would chalk it up to bad luck and some to LvG. You want to talk about something really important management has done that won't get a lot of press or talk from people? Made Bayern's brand the strongest ever. Bayern as a Company is doing incredibly well and we can thank Management for that because it has happened without the team dominating the CL or even Bundesliga these last years. The strong brand and financial health of the Company is much more important in the long-run than what the team is doing at not even the mid point of the season.

[Kleyn]

Nice post but no one will agree with it because it makes too much sense :D

[Mr. J]

The strong brand and financial health of the Company is much more important in the long-run than what the team is doing at not even the mid point of the season.

Marienburg, although I don't share your perspective, I get where you are coming from. However, I disagree with the last sentence above. The strong brand and financial health are important, yes, but what is paramount are results. If Bayern continues to languish in the Bundesliga and in Europe, then the strong brand it prides itself on having will cease to be strong. You have to utilize the capital you have and invest it towards building a deep squad. Over the past two seasons, management have been able to rely on Ribery being healthy enough to have a positive contribution over the course of the season. This has caused them to completely dismiss investing in depth. Now with Ribery being injured for sustained periods of time, it is evident that management have not spent their capital wisely. In fact, I don't think management knew in what direction they wanted to take this team, nor do I think Van Gaal knew. He just needed a Dutch contingent to surround himself with, and he got it on the cheap.

[ForeverRed]

I'm glad management grew a pair and rolled the dice. Sometimes you get crapped on if you take a risk and that's the breaks. I'm sure our transfers in the future will reflect a more conservative approach if this season doesn't turn around (I think people might be very surprised where we are in 3-4 months). Let's break down the blame on Uli everyone is throwing around:

Personally, hedging your bets on two injury prone players is a terrible idea and an awfully big risk to take. I don't think that is what management had in mind when they appointed LvG or brought in all those new players. They actually wanted to create a team that wasn't dependent on Ribery but that hasn't been the case so far.

Keeper:
Seriously, would you have been pleased if we spent 25 million euros on Neuer before this season? I wouldn't have been. You had to give Rensing, who is free, and had been heralded by Kahn and everyone to be a world-class keeper another shot and you had Butt looming in the wings who is solid should Rensing screw up. Right decision by management and it really hasn't haunted us.

Maybe you wouldn't be but I would have been more than pleased had the money and the player been available. I'd take Neuer over Rensing and Butt any day of the week. And to be perfectly clear, Rensing had his chances before this season too so it's not like this is his first season to prove himself. It's nice that they believed in Rensing but at the end of the day I think this was Uli being too stubborn and unwilling to swallow his pride and admit he overestimated the kid.

Fullback:
The coach says he wants Braafheid with Pranjic as a potential back up. Both are cheap and come from a league that our new coach just won the title and is an expert in. Would you really have said "no, we want to spend double on someone else." Also, our defense has been fantastic all year. Sure a weakness is at one fullback spot but our CB's, keeper and Lahm have been great defensively.

I have no problem if LvG wants to bring some players over from the league he is familiar with. The jury is still out on those two guys as far as I'm concerned. They can improve despite their disappointing seasons so far. What about the likes of Goerlitz and Lell? What is your answer to that?

And don't kid yourself about our defense. Sure it's improved but its a long ways from being reliable and solid.

Midfield:
Who really thought our midfield had gaping wholes going into this season, especially after we picked up Robben? Tymo was the main spot everyone was clamoring for and management delivered. They also combined two of the best wingers in the sport and made a move to grab a potential up and coming AM: Baumjohann but hedged with multiple other options available like Muller who has been the brightest spot of the season. Also, let's all remember Footy's ravings about how good Baumjohann was going to be.

You can't tell me that not replacing the likes of Hargreaves, Ballack and Ze Roberto were wise decisions by management. What about the continuous and blind support shown to a player like Schweinsteiger. Short sighted transfer policies. What about the stubborn coaching? What about the misuse of players brought in? Is that something that is supposed to be accepted as well?

Striker:
We already had the great partnership of Toni/Klose. We then grabbed the best, young, Bundesliga tested, striker available and added a quality role-player (Olic) on a free. I'm not sure what more you could ask for.

Gomez was only bought because this was the best and possibly only chance to get him. Look at our other options, ages, and the formation LvG prefers and tell me this isn't a giant cluster********.

I think those putting so much blame on management are a little short-sighted. If they were cobbling together such a terrible team then where was everyone in pre-season complaining of what a crap roster we had. If you want to place blame then I would chalk it up to bad luck and some to LvG. You want to talk about something really important management has done that won't get a lot of press or talk from people? Made Bayern's brand the strongest ever. Bayern as a Company is doing incredibly well and we can thank Management for that because it has happened without the team dominating the CL or even Bundesliga these last years. The strong brand and financial health of the Company is much more important in the long-run than what the team is doing at not even the mid point of the season.

The point is that the criticism doesn't concern this season only but the last couple of years which has seen serious instability and some very short sighted managerial decisions that have led us to where we are.

A counter argument can be made to every point of yours of course, which highlights that this issue clearly isn't black and white and the blame needs to be shared by more than just Uli.

That said, the big argument again is not that this season's squad is so horrible and that our form reflects that. The argument, that I'm making anyways and some others as well, is the trajectory of the club since 2001 which has been short sighted and devoid of any real team building or long term strategies. The fluctuation of the team can be seen very clearly with all the transfer flops and manager changes in the last couple of years coupled with disappointing results in Europe, which is and SHOULD be the priority for a top club like Bayern nowadays. Sorry, I don't buy the "no money" excuse Uli likes to throw around every so often. Victimizing the club isn't going to help it reach a CL final and it certainly doesn't tell the whole story.

[footyfan1]

Personally, hedging your bets on two injury prone players is a terrible idea and an awfully big risk to take. I don't think that is what management had in mind when they appointed LvG or brought in all those new players. They actually wanted to create a team that wasn't dependent on Ribery but that hasn't been the case so far.


I think they counted on LvG to make a "team" of these guys. Especially the players who were obvious LvG purchases like Braafheid and Pranjic.

I think LvG underestimated the strength of the Bundesliga, which prompted the purchase of Arjen Robben.



Maybe you wouldn't be but I would have been more than pleased had the money and the player been available. I'd take Neuer over Rensing and Butt any day of the week.


I'm sorry man. I know how good Neuer is, but in my opinion, no goalkeeper is worth 25M Euros. Not one of them.

The difference between the best goalkeepers and the really good ones just isn't that great.



And to be perfectly clear, Rensing had his chances before this season too so it's not like this is his first season to prove himself. It's nice that they believed in Rensing but at the end of the day I think this was Uli being too stubborn and unwilling to swallow his pride and admit he overestimated the kid.


Exactly! I'm happy someone gets it!



I have no problem if LvG wants to bring some players over from the league he is familiar with. The jury is still out on those two guys as far as I'm concerned. They can improve despite their disappointing seasons so far. What about the likes of Goerlitz and Lell? What is your answer to that?


These are not two players I would have ever expected FC Bayern München to buy.

My club? Yeah. Bayern? No.

Not saying that everyone Bayern gets should be a "name", but they should at least be effective.

I see Braafheid's potential, but I think Pranjic might just be one of the worst players I've ever seen put on the Bayern shirt.




And don't kid yourself about our defense. Sure it's improved but its a long ways from being reliable and solid.


Thank you. When I read that person's words about Bayern's defense, I nearly went into a laughing fit.



You can't tell me that not replacing the likes of Hargreaves, Ballack and Ze Roberto were wise decisions by management. What about the continuous and blind support shown to a player like Schweinsteiger. Short sighted transfer policies. What about the stubborn coaching? What about the misuse of players brought in? Is that something that is supposed to be accepted as well?


Looks like you're dealing with someone who thinks Bayern is never wrong.....



Gomez was only bought because this was the best and possibly only chance to get him. Look at our other options, ages, and the formation LvG prefers and tell me this isn't a giant cluster********.


And I still contend Gomez was an "ego purchase". You guys didn't need him, nor was he in the demand the media made him out to be in.

If he were, he would be in Barcelona right now.



The point is that the criticism doesn't concern this season only but the last couple of years which has seen serious instability and some very short sighted managerial decisions that have led us to where we are.

A counter argument can be made to every point of yours of course, which highlights that this issue clearly isn't black and white and the blame needs to be shared by more than just Uli.


Yes, but Uli makes himself the target because of his outspokeness and the fact that when it comes to transfers and day-to-day football operations, everyone knows he is the one who truly runs the show.




That said, the big argument again is not that this season's squad is so horrible and that our form reflects that. The argument, that I'm making anyways and some others as well, is the trajectory of the club since 2001 which has been short sighted and devoid of any real team building or long term strategies. The fluctuation of the team can be seen very clearly with all the transfer flops and manager changes in the last couple of years coupled with disappointing results in Europe, which is and SHOULD be the priority for a top club like Bayern nowadays. Sorry, I don't buy the "no money" excuse Uli likes to throw around every so often. Victimizing the club isn't going to help it reach a CL final and it certainly doesn't tell the whole story.


Agree 100%.

[raf fcb]

I don't know if this videos have been posted, or if is right to post them in this thread :)

YouTube- The Passion Behind Football Soccer Countdown to Kick-off Exclusive in HD

YouTube- The Passion Behind Football World Soccer Documentary

YouTube- Uli Hoeness The Passion Behind Football Soccer Documentary Breaking News

[ForeverRed]

I'm sorry man. I know how good Neuer is, but in my opinion, no goalkeeper is worth 25M Euros. Not one of them.

The difference between the best goalkeepers and the really good ones just isn't that great.


I know but such is the inflated nature of the market, especially when you're dealing with one of the wonder kids of German football, the "next great German goalkeeper". Most players aren't worth their market value but that doesn't stop teams from overpaying. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't but I'd rather spend the money in what would not only be a short term but also long term investment. It would show me that there is some planning in the transfer policy and not just getting players for the sake of getting players.

Then again, I don't know how much of a difference a good keeper would have made this season and they'll go for him in the summer anyways.

[eissman]

^^^RAF FCB

Thanks for sharing. When is this due to release in HD?

[shealygg]

^^^RAF FCB

Thanks for sharing. When is this due to release in HD?

Here is a link to the 'home' site of the videos. From what I understand, there are three more videos to come in the series...

http://sponsoring.allianz.com/en/fcbayern/videos/The_passion_behind_football/

[Zullu]

I know but such is the inflated nature of the market, especially when you're dealing with one of the wonder kids of German football, the "next great German goalkeeper". Most players aren't worth their market value but that doesn't stop teams from overpaying. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't but I'd rather spend the money in what would not only be a short term but also long term investment. It would show me that there is some planning in the transfer policy and not just getting players for the sake of getting players.

Then again, I don't know how much of a difference a good keeper would have made this season and they'll go for him in the summer anyways.

We would've had a better chance vs Bordeaux...Butt's retarded preference not to have 1 man at each post woulden't have costed us (I think) and second game speaks for itself...

[ForeverRed]

We would've had a better chance vs Bordeaux...Butt's retarded preference not to have 1 man at each post woulden't have costed us (I think) and second game speaks for itself...

Yea but all keepers have days like that. Could have happened to Neuer as well.