Do you guys say Di Stefano is Arg or Spanish

[Diego Maradona]

I was having a debate with with some Spanish dude about him

I saying that Alfredo was Arg as he was born in Arg and also won the copa America in 47 with Arg.

The dude told me that Di played with Spain for longer and in more matches and he still lives in Spain.

I DONT know why I said :o this but I also mentioned that Di Stefano also represented Arg in the early Pro Evo soccer games on PS2 and was in the classic Arg team.
The dude then said then why was he taken out of the Arg team ?.
I said cause we were too strong with him.:o

[vipnerd]

I would say he is as argentinian as Valdano ... but less Spanish than him. :rolleyes:


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[devilman]

I would say he is as argentinian as Valdano ... but less Spanish than him. :rolleyes:


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Yup,, flor de pelotudo... :rolleyes:


Actually i'd say he's Martian , cuz no one on earth has done what he's done...

[argentine soccer fan]

Of course he's Argentino. If you ask Di Stefano he'll tell you he's Argentino.

[kingkong1]

Actually i'd say he's Martian , cuz no one on earth has done what he's done...Of course he's Argentino. If you ask Di Stefano he'll tell you he's Argentino.

Di Stéfano - as an all-round genius - is the ONY legend in the world ever who can possibly compete with Pelé.

More than Zizinho, Puskas, Charlton, Beckenbauer, Crujff, Zico & Maradona - (although those are the men).

In the midfield Di Stéfano can only be challenged by one player - Didi.

Di Stéfano incarnates Argentinian football more than any other player.

Live or dead.;)

[SupaMario]

I'd say he is Argentino. A similar debate can be said about Carlos Gardel. The Uruguayan's claim he is theirs but we ALL know he belongs to Argentina.

[Sinestro]

I'd say he is Argentino. A similar debate can be said about Carlos Gardel. The Uruguayan's claim he is theirs but we ALL know he belongs to Argentina.
Gardel was french but he is an argentine icon. Same with Carmen Miranda she wasn't brazilian. DiStefano is argentine. He is very cool and pleasant man.

[Andrés_]

Cortazar was born in Belgium though he always referred to himself as argentine.

[kingkong1]

Let's put some things straight here.:mad:

(And that's no populist discourse).

It's not because some Spanish & Portuguese bastards came in the XVIth century to Southamerica & plundered all the gold, silver & precious stones of the continent that the gold, silver & precious stones became European.

The more they are embedded in the Spanish, Portuguese, English, Swedish or Liechenstein's crowns they belong to the Southamerican soil as much as before.

Di Stéfano, Altafini, Orsi, Sívori, Dino Sani, Júlio Botelho, Maradona, Kaká, Messi etc etc - ALL of them - just by chance & mere colonialist imposition have a few European names & traits.

But their intrinsic nature as football players is totally Southamerican: that's where they derived their know-how & ability from - the slums, the beaches, the streets of the New World.

And that's why they are new & their 'rich' contractors are old.

When Di Stéfano seats in the garden of his house in Madrid in front of the statue of a ball and nostalgically says 'Gracias, Vieja' he couldn't be more gaucho.

It's the reincarnation of Martín Fierro.;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Fierro

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5163/30g.jpg

[El viejo Matias]

Let's put some things straight here.:mad:

(And that's no populist discourse).

It's not because some Spanish & Portuguese bastards came in the XVIth century to Southamerica & plundered all the gold, silver & precious stones of the continent that the gold, silver & precious stones became European.

The more they are embedded in the Spanish, Portuguese, English, Swedish or Liechenstein's crowns they belong to the Southamerican soil as much as before.

Di Stéfano, Altafini, Orsi, Sívori, Dino Sani, Júlio Botelho, Maradona, Kaká, Messi etc etc - ALL of them - just by chance & mere colonialist imposition have a few European names & traits.

But their intrinsic nature as football players is totally Southamerican: that's where they derived their know-how & ability from - the slums, the beaches, the streets of the New World.

And that's why they are new & their 'rich' contractors are old.

When Di Stéfano seats in the garden of his house in Madrid in front of the statue of a ball and nostalgically says 'Gracias, Vieja' he couldn't be more gaucho.

It's the reincarnation of Martín Fierro.;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mart%C3%ADn_Fierro

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/5163/30g.jpg

Sometimes and only very rarely I must say bravo to you sir and right on, kudos for this excellent post.

[kingkong1]

Sometimes and only very rarely I must say bravo to you sir and right on, kudos for this excellent post.Thanks, Matias.

I just can't stand the airs of superiority of some Euros towards Southamerican football.

Without which they'd be practically nothing.

Quero ver gozar com o deles.:rolleyes:

[tadm123]

born in argentina so he's argentinian.

[sidspaceman]

I always thought he was Colombian.;):D

[devilman]

Thanks, Matias.

I just can't stand the airs of superiority of some Euros towards Southamerican football.

Without which they'd be practically nothing.

Quero ver gozar com o deles.:rolleyes:

does this mean you are now an Estudiantes de La Plata fan now Kong???? :cool:

[ArtemioD]

born in argentina so he's argentinian.

That may be but the name Di Stefano is Italian and he is of Italian descent and was probably raised in the Italian way of life just like I was even though I am 3rd generation Italian American. From his wikipedia bio: Born to a family of Italian immigrants from Nicolosi, in province of Catania

[El viejo Matias]

That may be but the name Di Stefano is Italian and he is of Italian descent and was probably raised in the Italian way of life just like I was even though I am 3rd generation Italian American. From his wikipedia bio: Born to a family of Italian immigrants from Nicolosi, in province of Catania

You just described over a quarter of Argentines.:rolleyes: Hence why it is called NEW world.

[kingkong1]

You just described over a quarter of Argentines.:rolleyes: Hence why it is called NEW world.And - according to ArtemioD - if I were a pro football player in Brazil I should also play for the Ukranian NT (since my grandparents came from Kiev) & sing the 'Volga Boatmen' and 'Otchitchornia' every night before going to bed .:D

[kingkong1]

does this mean you are now an Estudiantes de La Plata fan now Kong???? :cool:Since I was a 'nene'.

Passionately rooting for them against Barça at this year CWC.;)

[Gregoriak]

Thanks, Matias.

I just can't stand the airs of superiority of some Euros towards Southamerican football.

Without which they'd be practically nothing.

Quero ver gozar com o deles.:rolleyes:


Yet in this very post you yourself have no qualms of showing "airs of SA superiority" regarding Europe with that ridiculous "Europe would be practically nothing without South American football" comment. This shows a level of ignorance regarding the wealth of European football talent not worthy of a poster of your knowledge.

[kingkong1]

Yet in this very post you yourself have no qualms of showing "airs of SA superiority" regarding Europe with that ridiculous "Europe would be practically nothing without South American football" comment. This shows a level of ignorance regarding the wealth of European football talent not worthy of a poster of your knowledge.OK, Gregoriak,

It was an outburst (to a certain point justified, let's convene).

It just reveals that if anybody has the right to be arrogant here is the SA's.

(Although I concede that being arrogant is obnoxious).

The view of Orsi, Di Stéfano, Sívori, Julinho, Altafini, Donato, Deco, Pepe, Liédson, Rink, Kuranyi, Camoranesi, Eduardo da Silva, Messi etc etc as genuine products of European football however sounds sometimes as an evident slap in our face.

The contribution of these players & so many others (many not even so famous like those but equally important) – 99% of them fundamentally raised in SA football – was as essential for the development of European football in its pro era as European football was fundamental to the development of SA one in the amateur era.

Nowadays (from 1958 on) SA football contributed tactically and individually a lot more to Euro one than the other way around.

So if we sometimes have a reaction a little bit exaggerated don’t blame us so much – you Euros have some guilt in all that.:rolleyes: