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cfc069
28 May 2004, 07:38 AM
I am now getting a bit fed up with this. God knows how CR is feeling right now.

CR has a meet with PK and RA at Stamford Bridge last week, and it was reported that they discussed the current squad and transfer targets. Apparantly RA didn't even turn up.

CR went home none the wiser and then was summoned to Milan to meet PK and RA AGAIN!!! This time he was expecting the 'push' but again they discussed the current squad and transfer targets. Meanwhile of Champions League night, PK said that CR has a contract, and now it is being widely reported in the UK, the Mourinho is is London talking to Chelsea. If that is true how can you line up a replacement for someone who is still in a job.

Shabby, shabby, shabby.

I really feel like cancelling my two season ticket applications.... :mad: but I know I won't.

Why can't Chelsea put CR and all of us out of our misery??

srd....
28 May 2004, 09:14 AM
Why can't Chelsea put CR and all of us out of our misery??

well probably because they dont want to pay him six million compo for sacking him,were as if he just quits well they wont have to pay him off.you'd think a guy who's willing to waste 20 mill on any old player like carlos wouldnt mind paying off cr contract,to really get the man he wants at the club for next season.

i guess it's just a case of wait and see now at this stage.

Lowecifer
28 May 2004, 09:44 AM
Claudio should, under no circumstances, walk away from his contract. If Abramovich wants to treat him poorly, then he will have to pay for the pleasure.

This is madness.

nicephoras
28 May 2004, 09:45 AM
well probably because they dont want to pay him six million compo for sacking him,were as if he just quits well they wont have to pay him off.you'd think a guy who's willing to waste 20 mill on any old player like carlos wouldnt mind paying off cr contract,to really get the man he wants at the club for next season.

i guess it's just a case of wait and see now at this stage.

I'm not so sure. I think that the problem is they want to have Mourinho set up as coach before they fire Claudio. Why not have a backup plan? And Claudio is a very good backup plan.

I will say this. I REALLY dislike how they're treating Claudio. But, Mourinho would be a good coach, provided he wasn't allowed to bring half his Porto side with him. I'd take Carvalho though.

srd....
28 May 2004, 12:41 PM
i agree it's disgracefull the way they are conducting this matter,the only thing though is since it's been going on so long now,that they just want rid of claudio for whatever reason and one way or another it'll be done.

it wouldnt surprize me if it was one of the stipulations in kenyon's contract,that he'd have a say once he arrived on his choice of manager,kind of like erase all traces of bates previous work, and mould the club in his image.

anyway i honestly hope murinho get's the job,because i think his attitude and style of management is what the club is lacking to seriously push on and challange for some major honours.also i agree about him not bringing half the porto side with him but i'd take deco though,but i think he's off to germany anyway.

srd....
28 May 2004, 02:20 PM
4 year deal link (http://www.skysports.com/skysports/article/0,,1-1137456,00.html)

sky reckon it's nearly done...

paulo
28 May 2004, 02:23 PM
I was starting to think that Chelsea would have two managers as we already seem to have two left wingers, 4 or more strikers, two left backs, ... :D

Clan
28 May 2004, 02:26 PM
You know, in a way i wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what Kenyon wants.
All this continual talk and retalk, speculation and guessing, the will he won't he question - it has continually kept the name "CHELSEA" in the news for quite some time now.
We're in the news when we don't do anything - as in Ranieri might stay - and we're in the news when they (Abramovich and Kenyon) take off to the continent - as in he's gone for sure.

It has the look of a very good marketing plan by Kenyon - based on the principle that when you want your name known all over the world, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Afterall, Kenyons main task is to get global recognition ala Man U.

I would say he's doing a first rate job as far as thats concerned!

paulocesar
28 May 2004, 04:25 PM
Kenyon's also doing a first rate job in being a wanker!?! But oh, he was like that at Manure, so why be surprised...

Philip in London
28 May 2004, 10:51 PM
Kenyon is doing a terrible job for Chelsea. He is going to make us unpopular before we've even won anything big. This will cost us tens of millions of pounds over the years, as well as making supporting Chelsea less fun than it would have been without him.

The chief executive of a football club should stay in the background, and make deals quietly. He is just a facilitator for the football side of the club, which is the main determinant of the amount of success it has, including how much merchandise it sells. Kenyon is really rather rubbish at key parts of his job. He has no idea how to handle supporters or the media, and his transfer negotiation record is shocking. His ego is out of control. RA should sack him before things get worse.

qazwsx
28 May 2004, 11:31 PM
You know, in a way i wouldn't be surprised if this is exactly what Kenyon wants.
All this continual talk and retalk, speculation and guessing, the will he won't he question - it has continually kept the name "CHELSEA" in the news for quite some time now.
We're in the news when we don't do anything - as in Ranieri might stay - and we're in the news when they (Abramovich and Kenyon) take off to the continent - as in he's gone for sure.

It has the look of a very good marketing plan by Kenyon - based on the principle that when you want your name known all over the world, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

Afterall, Kenyons main task is to get global recognition ala Man U.

I would say he's doing a first rate job as far as thats concerned!

You've gotta point there actually. I dont agree with all these Kenyon haters. We all collectively as Chelsea alot less than we think we know about the back room management of Ambromovich and Kenyon with regards to transfers, picking the manager and the clubs commercial matters. People are just beating him up because they see him as a kind of Man U fan and Ambromovich as a unsoccer knowing idiot, when theres no real reason for us to beleive either.

nicephoras
29 May 2004, 12:05 AM
Whatever. Kenyon will never kick a ball on the pitch, and ManUtd managed to do just fine with him. For all the whining about Kenyon, we finished second in the league, semis of the CL, etc. etc. Was it his publicity that put in Huth as a right back in Monaco? Or injured Duff's shoulder? Come on.
Raise your hand if you think we win anything more than we did this year if Kenyon is less of a prick. Is anyone's hand raised? Good, now we know who the idiots are.

Philip in London
29 May 2004, 07:29 PM
What is in danger is the long term good name of the club, and the amount of pleasure that will be had from supporting it. I don't mind the club being run commercially, but there is no need for the chief executive to sing about how cynical he is, and thus both undermine the ethos of Chelsea as a sports club, and actually to harm our financial potential by making the club known for arrogance before we've actually won anything.

I'm not a numbskull proletarian tribalist. I don't mind that Kenyon came from Man Utd, but I don't believe in his so called achievements there. He was only chief executive for a few years. Most of the commercial success of the club was built up under Martin Edwards. But first and foremost, it was the achievement of Sir Alex Ferguson. How hard was it to sell Man Utd in the first few post 1999 years? Why do people think their is prima facie evidence that Kenyon has exception skills? He had an easy job at Utd, and he did it badly. Think of the failure to anticipate and deflect the ill-will generated by the World Club Cup fiasco, and the unchecked rise of ABUism during the Kenyon years. Kenyon's transfer negotiations were consistently poor. When Man Utd bought a player, the price always ended up being higher than anticipated, but when they sold it was less.

Kenyon has continued to perform in the same way at Chelsea, that is as an arrogant mediocrity who is out of his depth. He insulted the achievements of our season, thus unnecessarily adding to the pressure for next season. Incidently, in doing so, he contradicted one of Roman's few attributable statements. Kenyon put out a press release about the Sven fiasco that made things worse not better. It got Kenyon into the news, which appears to be a high priority for him, but it damaged the club. His handling of the season ticket changes has been crass. As a fairly ruthless adherent of the free market, I'm not against an increase, but Kenyon had to make things worse by insulting the fans with an attempt at justification that contained as much misrepresentation of both facts and motives as he thought he could get away with. As one would expect, given the degree of this man's insensitivity, he overestimated just how much cynicism was possible, thus damaging the club by upsetting tens of thousands of loyal supporters. But lets not imagine that this is somehow necessary to provide a good service to RA. No, once again, a Kenyon blunder has damaged RA's investment.

Kenyon is a disaster. He is bad at his job. He has been bad at his job for as long as he has been a football club chief executive. He is arrogant, self-obsessed, and incapable of changing because he is unable to fathom how other people will react to the things he does. He is the enemy of the good name of the club, and is harming RA's image and investment. The growth of the club in the coming years will not be attributable to him. It will be based on success on the pitch to which he contributes nothing. The behind the scenes business could be done better by a low-profile chief executive on a third of the salary. He should be sacked now.

fernb8
29 May 2004, 08:12 PM
Phillip I can not say that I agree with all of your points but that is an excellent post. Several of your points are spot on and I cannot agree more that after our wonderful years with Mr.Bates that the current chairman should have learned to keep his mouth shut and stay behind the scenes. Perhaps that board room has some strange curse for chairman requiring them to say stupid things, treat good managers poorly, and constantly be in the papers.

ATL Blue One
29 May 2004, 09:47 PM
P Kenyon is making Chelsea look foolish, unorganized, and mean spirited so whatever you think of him he is failing at his job..........Plus he's a Manc :p

qazwsx
29 May 2004, 11:08 PM
Phillip, your judging him entirely on press releases, often from sources such as "The Sun" or "The Mirror". He might be as bad you say, but he could also be the exact opposite and none of us is likely to know any better. Theres just way too much opinion/rumour and not enough fact out there for us to pass judgement on Peter Kenyon or even worse, Roman Ambromovich.

Philip in London
30 May 2004, 08:03 AM
Phillip, your judging him entirely on press releases, often from sources such as "The Sun" or "The Mirror". He might be as bad you say, but he could also be the exact opposite and none of us is likely to know any better. Theres just way too much opinion/rumour and not enough fact out there for us to pass judgement on Peter Kenyon or even worse, Roman Ambromovich.

Please withdraw that insult. You don't know anything about me. I do not read tabloid newspapers. But I have read Manchester United's annual reports for the last several years on the internet, and listened to webcasts of their last two annual general meetings. I have also read a report on Kenyon's appearance that the recent Chelsea supper club, where even the chairman seemed to be uneasy about his performance. Kenyon hadn't even heard of Chelsea's away season-ticket scheme, which is quite shocking for the chief executive of the company, especially as he had just carried out a review of the home season ticket system. It suggests a very weak ability to get to grips with the detail of his job.

Philip in London
30 May 2004, 08:08 AM
Phillip I can not say that I agree with all of your points but that is an excellent post. Several of your points are spot on and I cannot agree more that after our wonderful years with Mr.Bates that the current chairman should have learned to keep his mouth shut and stay behind the scenes. Perhaps that board room has some strange curse for chairman requiring them to say stupid things, treat good managers poorly, and constantly be in the papers.

Thanks, but PK is our chief executive, not our chairman. The chairman is a Mr (Harold?) Buck. He's is a North American lawyer resident in London, and connected with RA through business, who has been a season ticket holder since 1991.

qazwsx
30 May 2004, 10:11 AM
Please withdraw that insult. You don't know anything about me. I do not read tabloid newspapers. But I have read Manchester United's annual reports for the last several years on the internet, and listened to webcasts of their last two annual general meetings. I have also read a report on Kenyon's appearance that the recent Chelsea supper club, where even the chairman seemed to be uneasy about his performance. Kenyon hadn't even heard of Chelsea's away season-ticket scheme, which is quite shocking for the chief executive of the company, especially as he had just carried out a review of the home season ticket system. It suggests a very weak ability to get to grips with the detail of his job.

Insult withdrawn :P. I didn't mean it as an insult, I just dont like to see fans badmouth the manager, chairman, owner or transfer policy based on tabloid press which more often than not is complete garbage.