Toon vs. Pool [R]

[geordienation]

F-ing Hamman scored against us again and Owen scores a penalty after a HORRIBLE miss in the first half.

But Speed brought us back from the dead and Alan gets us the point off of a Robert corner.

2-2 at Anfield.

Officially:
GOALS
Dietmar Hamann - 53'
Michael Owen - 73'

Gary Speed - 80'
Alan Shearer - 88'


SUBS
E Diouf for V Smicer (67)
B Cheyrou for S Gerrard (83)

C Bellamy for L Lua-Lua (63)
J Jenas for N Solano (63)
L Robert for H Viana (63)

CAUTIONS
Dietmar Hamann (51)

Olivier Bernard (45)
Gary Speed (75)

Referee: Graham Poll
Attendence: 43,241

[MUFCSucks]

Great game but you deserved nothing from it.

[CrewToon]

Originally posted by MUFCSucks
Great game but you deserved nothing from it.

I guess your payoff to Graham Poll wasn't good enough, eh? What a LAME penalty call in the box...

and how about that 21-6 differential in fouls, even though Newcastle had more players limping at the end of the match? Poll made Uriah Rennie look good.

Lucky for the post that Newcastle didn't come away with three points instead of 1.

[655321]

Originally posted by MUFCSucks
Great game but you deserved nothing from it.

I agree that we should have won, but I don't believe in the word "deserve" when it comes to the final score. If we "deserved" to win, then we wouldn't have allowed Shearer to equalize.

Still, Liverpool wiped the pitch with Newcastle's arses for 88 minutes.

[geordienation]

Originally posted by 655321


I agree that we should have won, but I don't believe in the word "deserve" when it comes to the final score. If we "deserved" to win, then we wouldn't have allowed Shearer to equalize.

Still, Liverpool wiped the pitch with Newcastle's arses for 88 minutes.

Two words: What. Ever.

How can a team give up that many chances and say they wiped up the pitch with us for 88 minutes.

Sorry, but Newcastle is the most dangerous team in the Premiership right now. It could have been 3-2 to Toon. Liverpool has some definite finishing issues if the only way they can score is from a defensive midfielder and a PK.

[655321]

Originally posted by CrewToon


I guess your payoff to Graham Poll wasn't good enough, eh? What a LAME penalty call in the box...

and how about that 21-6 differential in fouls, even though Newcastle had more players limping at the end of the match? Poll made Uriah Rennie look good.

Lucky for the post that Newcastle didn't come away with three points instead of 1.

Idiot. Everyone knows Hyypia is a common target on Liverpool's corners. The ball was going in his direction and he was attempting to jump up for a header. Your boy jumped on top of him and kept him from reaching his full height potential. If you don't think that's a penalty, than you don't understand the rules of the game.

And lucky for Owen's s hit finishing that the scoreline wasn't 7-2 Liverpool. You should thanking your lucky stars that you guys even have a point.

[655321]

Originally posted by geordienation

How can a team give up that many chances and say they wiped up the pitch with us for 88 minutes.

Sorry, but Newcastle is the most dangerous team in the Premiership right now. It could have been 3-2 to Toon. Liverpool has some definite finishing issues if the only way they can score is from a defensive midfielder and a PK.

We had 20 shots on goal. That's how. That's a great stat even without comparing it to your measily 5 or 6. I'll admit that we didn't finish correctly and that's why it was a draw. But the fact remains Liverpool dominated nearly the whole match.

Newcastle the most dangerous team in the Premiership?? What a joke. You're easily the biggest Homer on these boards based on that statement alone. I guess you never watch Arsenal matches, heh??

[geordienation]

Originally posted by 655321


Idiot. Everyone knows Hyypia is a common target on Liverpool's corners. The ball was going in his direction and he was attempting to jump up for a header. Your boy jumped on top of him and kept him from reaching his full height potential. If you don't think that's a penalty, than you don't understand the rules of the game.

And lucky for Owen's s hit finishing that the scoreline wasn't 7-2 Liverpool. You should thanking your lucky stars that you guys even have a point.

Troll. Scoreboard says 2-2 AT ANFIELD. That's blown points. Count yourself lucky that you got any.

Jan. 1 at St. James. See you there. Better have a striker able to HIT AN OPEN NET before then.

[655321]

Responding to statements is not trolling. It is a fact that you had no players that were even near the level of Hamann, Gerrard or Murphy tonight. If Shearer hadn't have equalised, you guy's would be saying how much Liverpool outplayed you. But you save a point and somehow think that you deserved three.

I'm not angry at anyone other than Michael Owen and Emile Heskey. Both had great opportunities to win the match for us but they didn't. But for any Newcastle fan to act like they deserved the victory is ridiculous.

[BrianCappellieri]

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[geordienation]

THERE'S ONLY ONE ALAN SHEARER!

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[greenie]

Originally posted by 655321
We had 20 shots on goal. That's how. That's a great stat even without comparing it to your measily 5 or 6. I'll admit that we didn't finish correctly and that's why it was a draw. But the fact remains Liverpool dominated nearly the whole match.

If Liverpool actually had 20 shots on goal, that would mean that Given had 18 saves.

The number 20 in this case refers to "scoring chances" and not shots on goal.

No doubt that for much of the match Liverpool dominated. However the complexion of the match changed quite drastically when Newcastle was able to bring in Robert and Bellamy, two of last year's star performers (and regular starters), as well as Jenas. With the exception of Owen's penalty, the final 20 minutes of this game belonged to the black and white.

As for Liverpool missing their golden chances, Newcastle missed three golden opportunities of their own: Robert hitting the post, Shearer missing the ensuing rebound, and Shearer not able to redirect Robert's cross past Dudek in the dying moments of the game.

Liverpool can brag all they want about their performance in this match. Reality is that they've drawn 2-2 for the second straight match, this time doing so on their home ground.

As for Newcastle, heading to the ground of a team that finished second in the league last year and taking a point away is a job very, very well done. Howay the lads!

[655321]

Originally posted by greenie


If Liverpool actually had 20 shots on goal, that would mean that Given had 18 saves.

The number 20 in this case refers to "scoring chances" and not shots on goal.



That's true...I stand corrected. But it still shows, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Liverpool created many, many, many more chances.

I think Newcastle played well. I have made no complaints about their performance. But they did not deserve to win, as some people are implying. Nor should Liverpool feel lucky that we had a draw and didn't lose. That is an amazingly stupid comment.

[Toony]

Am I being slow here ?

Liverpool were not able to capitalise on their chances, whilst Newcastle did. If Liverpool were able to finish the same % of chances , the final score should have been 8 -2 to Liverpool. I think this is a more significant statistic than gross chances on goal.

I feel this is a more significant stat. than actual chances on goal .THis is what matters at the end of a season.

I do concur however , that Liverpool were all over us for most of the match , but coming back from 2 down , at Anfield, at this point in the season is better than it may initally looks.

[CrewToon]

Originally posted by 655321


Idiot. Everyone knows Hyypia is a common target on Liverpool's corners. The ball was going in his direction and he was attempting to jump up for a header. Your boy jumped on top of him and kept him from reaching his full height potential. If you don't think that's a penalty, than you don't understand the rules of the game.



His full height potential? ha! if that was the basis for calling penalties on corners, then penalties would be called about 40 percent of the time!

Replay shows they both went for the ball, except Dabizas got higher, and only "climbed" over Hyppia because the latter was on his way down, not up.

[655321]

Originally posted by CrewToon


His full height potential? ha! if that was the basis for calling penalties on corners, then penalties would be called about 40 percent of the time!

Replay shows they both went for the ball, except Dabizas got higher, and only "climbed" over Hyppia because the latter was on his way down, not up.

Are you kidding?? Every replay, at every angle, showed Dabizas ALL OVER Hyypia. He jumped on his back and kept Hyypia from getting up enough to head the ball. I'm not saying it was on purpose, I'm sure he was going for the ball himself, but if a defender hinders a player from scoring like that, ON PURPOSE OR NOT, it is a penalty.

[greenie]

Originally posted by 655321
Are you kidding?? Every replay, at every angle, showed Dabizas ALL OVER Hyypia. He jumped on his back and kept Hyypia from getting up enough to head the ball. I'm not saying it was on purpose, I'm sure he was going for the ball himself, but if a defender hinders a player from scoring like that, ON PURPOSE OR NOT, it is a penalty.

Wish I could disagree, but in all honesty I thought the PK was the right call, especially after seeing the replays.

Would it have happened had Hyypia jumped up for the ball? Likely not -- but that's part of the game, and another reason why even the most ardent Newcastle fans will not claim that Dabizas is a brilliant defender.

Besides, we saw what happened about 15 minutes later on another corner where Hyypia elected not to leap for the ball.

[Wide Boy]

Bobby Robson also said that the penalty was the correct decision.

[CrewToon]

I guess I'm in the minority on the PK call...but explain the 21-6 differential in fouls, and the fact that Xavier, Hyppia and the rest weren't called on the same sliding tackles that Newcastle were either carded or whistled for.

[Wide Boy]

I think it's a question of the referee being influenced by the home crowd. When 40,000 people shout "foul", it takes a strong ref to resist - and last night's couldn't.

Bobby was being his usual ultra-magnanimous self about the penalty. Again, it's the sort of decision you sometimes get if you are playing at home, but rarely away.

As someone else has said about the incident, had it happened to Shearer in Liverpool's penalty area, Alan would have been penalised for backing in to the defender!