CONCACAF WCQ Predicitions

[ZeekLTK]

My CONCACAF Predictions

Round 2
Group 1: United States defeats Grenada 12-1 (HW 8-0, AW 4-1)
Group 2: El Salvador defeats Bermuda 4-2 (HW 4-1, AL 0-1)
Group 3: Jamaica defeats Haiti 3-1 (HW 2-0, AT 1-1)
Group 4: Panama defeats St. Lucia 4-0 (HW 4-0, AT 0-0)
Group 5: Costa Rica defeats Cuba 6-1 (HW 4-1, AW 2-0)
Group 6: Guatemala defeats Surinam 5-1 (HW 4-1, AW 1-0)
Group 7: Honduras defeats Netherland Antillies 8-2 (HW 5-1, AW 3-1)
Group 8: Canada defeats Belize 9-1 (HW 5-0, HW 4-1)
Group 9: Mexico defeats Dominica 12-0 (HW 8-0, AW 4-0)
Group 10: St. Kitts & Nevis defeats Barbados 5-2 (HW 4-0, AL 1-2)
Group 11: Trinidad & Tobago defeats Dominican Republic 8-0 (HW 6-0, AW 2-0)
Group 12: St. Vincent / Grenadines defeats Nicaragua 2-0 (HW 2-0, AT 0-0)


Semifinals
Group A:
1. United States - 14
2. Jamaica - 11
3. El Salvador - 6
4. Panama - 1

United States defeats Jamaica 2-0 (HW 2-0, AT 0-0)
United States defeats El Salvador 4-1 (HW 3-0, AT 1-1)
United States defeats Panama 10-0 (HW 7-0, AW 3-0)
Jamaica defeats El Salvador 2-1 (HW 1-0, AT 1-1)
Jamaica defeats Panama 3-0 (HW 2-0, AW 1-0)
El Salvador defeats Panama 3-2 (HW 2-1, AT 1-1)


Group B:
1. Honduras - 9
2. Costa Rica - 9
3. Canada - 8
4. Guatemala - 5

Honduras defeats Costa Rica 3-2 (HT 1-1, AW 2-1)
Honduras defeats Guatemala 2-1 (HW 1-0, AT 1-1)
Costa Rica defeats Guatemala 4-3 (HW 2-1, AT 2-2)
Costa Rica defeats Canada 2-1 (HT 1-1, AW 1-0)
Canada defeats Honduras 3-2 (HW 2-1, AT 1-1)
Guatemala defeats Canada 2-2 (HW 1-0, AL 1-2)

Group C:
1. Mexico - 15
2. Trinidad & Tobago - 15
3. St. Vincent / Grenadines - 3
4. St. Kitts & Nevis - 3

Mexico defeats Trinidad & Tobago 6-2 (HW 5-0, AL 1-2)
Mexico defeats St. Vincent / Grenadines 10-0 (HW 7-0, AW 3-0)
Mexico defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 8-1 (HW 6-1, AW 2-0)
Trinidad & Tobago defeats St. Vincent / Grenadines 8-1 (HW 5-1, AW 3-0)
Trinidad & Tobago defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 6-2 (HW 4-1, AW 2-1)
St. Vincent / Grenadines defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 3-3 (HW 1-0, AL 2-3)



*Letters indicate where the match is played and my pick for the team listed first. H is home, A is away, W is win, T is tie, L is loss. Example: United States defeats Jamaica 2-0 (HW 2-0, AT 0-0) means USA wins at home 2-0 and ties in Jamaica 0-0.

[ZeekLTK]

Finals
1. United States - 22
2. Mexico - 18
3. Costa Rica - 18
4. Honduras - 10
5. Jamaica - 7
6. Trinidad & Tobago - 6

United States defeats Costa Rica 2-2 (HW 1-0, AL 1-2)
United States defeats Honduras 4-2 (HW 2-1, AW 2-1)
United States defeats Jamaica 3-1 (HW 2-1, AW 1-0)
United States defeats Trinidad & Tobago 2-1 (HW 2-1, AT 0-0)
Mexico defeats United States 2-1 (HW 2-0, AL 0-1)
Mexico defeats Costa Rica 2-1 (HW 2-1, AT 0-0)
Mexico defeats Honduras 3-1 (HW 2-0, AT 1-1)
Mexico defeats Jamaica 6-1 (HW 5-0, AT 1-1)
Mexico defeats Trinidad & Tobago 4-2 (HW 4-1, AL 0-1)
Costa Rica defeats Honduras 2-1 (HT 1-1, AW 1-0)
Costa Rica defeats Jamaica 5-1 (HW 4-0, AT 1-1)
Costa Rica defeats Trinidad & Tobago 3-0 (HW 2-0, AW 1-0)
Honduras defeats Trinidad & Tobago 3-2 (HT 1-1, AW 2-1)
Honduras defeats Jamaica 3-1 (HW 2-0, AT 1-1)
Jamaica defeats Trinidad & Tobago 3-1 (HW 2-0, AT 1-1)

[beachesl]

NOTE: the Group Matches (both semis and hex) are NOT two-match total
point legs like the June round, as one might suppose after reading above. Each game is a separate match...the goals for and against are only relevant if there are equal points in the tables.

My CONCACAF Predictions

Round 2
Group 1: United States defeats Grenada 7-0 (HW 4-0, AW 3-0)
Group 2: El Salvador defeats Bermuda 3-1 (HW 2-0, AT 1-1)
Group 3: Jamaica defeats Haiti 5-0 (HW 3-0, "AW" 2-0)
Group 4: Panama defeats St. Lucia 3-0 (HW 2-0, AL 1-0)
Group 5: Costa Rica defeats Cuba 5-0 (HW 4-0, AW 1-0)
Group 6: Guatemala defeats Surinam 4-1 (HW 3-0, AT 1-1)
Group 7: Honduras defeats Netherland Antillies 7-0 (HW 5-0, AW 2-0)
Group 8: Canada defeats Belize 10-0 (HW 5-0, "aW" 5-0)
Group 9: Mexico defeats Dominica 15-0 (HW 8-0, "AW" 7-0)
Group 10: St. Kitts & Nevis defeats Barbados 3-0 (HW 2-0, AW 1-0)
Group 11: Trinidad & Tobago defeats Dominican Republic 8-0 (HW 5-0, AW 3-0)
Group 12: St. Vincent / Grenadines defeats Nicaragua 2-1 (HW 2-0, AL 0-1)


Semifinals
Group A:
1. Jamaica- 17
2. USA - 14
3. El Salvador - 4
4. Panama - 1

United States ties Jamaica 2-2 (hey, this is my upset)
United States defeats El Salvador 3-1
United States defeats Panama 4-0
Jamaica defeats US 2-1 (second upset)
Jamaica defeats El Salvador 3-1
Jamaica defeats Panama 4-0
El Salvador defeats Panama 2-1
ES loses to US 1-2
ES loses to Jam 1-2
Panama loses to US 1-0
Panama loses to Jam 2-0
Panama ties ES 1-1

Group B:
1. Costa Rica - 11
2. Canada - 9
3. Honduras -8
4. Guatemala- 7

Honduras ties Costa Rica 2-2
Honduras defeats Guatemala 2-1
honduras defeats Canada 2-0
Costa Rica defeats Guatemala 3-1
Costa Rica defeats Canada 2-0
CR defeats honduras 2-1
Canada defeats Honduras 3-2 (Edmonton, Sept 4, I'll be there!)
Canada defeats Costa Rica 3-2
Canada defeats Guatemala 3-1
Guatemala defeats Canada 1-0
Guatemala ties Costa Rica 1-1
Guat. defeats Honduras 2-1

Group C:
1. Mexico - 18
2. Trinidad & Tobago -13
3. St. Kitts & Nevis - 7
4. St. Vincent / Grenadines - 1

Mexico defeats Trinidad & Tobago 4-1
Mexico defeats St. Vincent / Grenadines 5-0
Mexico defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 4-1
Trinidad & Tobago defeats St. Vincent / Grenadines 4-0
Trinidad & Tobago defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 3-1
Trin, defeats St, Vin 3-0
St. Vincent / Grenadines defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 2-1
St. Vincent / Grenadines beaten by Trin 2-1
St. Vincent / Grenadines beaten by Mexico 3-0
St. Kitts beaten by Mex 2-1
St. Kitts ties Trin 1-1
St. Kitts defeats St. Vin. 2-1

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Finals _ The "Hex"
1. Costa Rica- 18 ("first" on goal diff.)
2. USA- 18
3. Mexcio - 16 qualifies on goal difference
4. Canada - 16 advances on goal difference to playoff with 5th Asian
5. Jamaica - 16 eliminated on goal difference
6. Trinidad & Tobago - 3

United States defeats Costa Rica 2-1
United States defeats Can 3-1
United States defeats Jamaica 3-1
United States defeats Trinidad & Tobago 4-0
US defeats Mexico 2-1
Mexico defeats United States 3-1
Mexico defeats Costa Rica 2-1
Mexico defeats Canada 3-1
Mexico defeats Jamaica 4-1
Mexico defeats Trinidad & Tobago 6-0
Costa Rica defeats Canada 3-1
Costa Rica defeats Jamaica 4-1
Costa Rica defeats Trinidad & Tobago 5-0
CR defeats US 2-1
CR defeats Mex 2-1
Canada defeats Trinidad & Tobago 4-1
Canada defeats Jamaica 3-2
Canada defeats US 2-1
Canada defeats Mex 3-2
Canada defeats CR 2-1
Jam defeats Trinidad & Tobago 3-1
Jam defeats US 3-2
Jam defeats Mex 3-2
Jam defeats CR 2-1
Jam defeats Can 1-0
Trinidad & Tobago beaten by US 2-1
Trinidad & Tobago beaten by CR 3-1
Trinidad & Tobago ties Can 2-2
Trinidad & Tobago ties Jam 3-3
Trinidad & Tobago ties Mex 1-1

I think that we will be suprised by the competitiveness in the hex...because of exhaustion by this time, home advantage will be huge.

[SABuffalo786]

beach, you do know that we haven't lost to Jamaica in like......forever.

[ZeekLTK]

NOTE: the Group Matches (both semis and hex) are NOT two-match total
point legs like the June round, as one might suppose after reading above. Each game is a separate match...the goals for and against are only relevant if there are equal points in the tables.

Yeah, sorry about that, but I put it like that to make it easier to keep track of what matchups I had already predicted, since I did like Honduras vs Costa Rica, both matches, and then another two teams, etc until I got them all done and it was just easier to record "Honduras defeats Costa Rica 3-2 (HT 1-1, AW 2-1)" than anything else. Then when I am done I can just look at the stats and see that from this matchup Honduras gets 4 points, Costa Rica gets 1 point, add them up and go on to the next match up.

[Treetaliano]

not gonna go all crazy like the above since it's pointless..but I'm gonna call Haiti knocking out Jamaica.

[beachesl]

beach, you do know that we haven't lost to Jamaica in like......forever.

True my friend. Jamaica did tie the US in the US for the '97 Hex. And they have had some awesome friendlies lately, and an incredible strike force. I think they will be the suprise of the WCQ. I think they will beat the US at least once in the semis, though i think the US will be stronger in the hex.

As for Haiti. I know that a lot of Americans like them because they tied the US in March, but they just don't have the organization to advance. The March result was a one-off after they had some intense practice together, whereas the US team was just an off-season come-together.

I realize that my predictionns are not too realistic in that there are not enough ties, but I can only make far-off predictions match by match.

[EvanJ]

Group C:
1. Mexico - 18
2. Trinidad & Tobago -13
3. St. Kitts & Nevis - 7
4. St. Vincent / Grenadines - 1
St. Vincent / Grenadines defeats St. Kitts & Nevis 2-1

If St. Vincent and the Grenadines has a win they will have at least 3 points.

[efernandez9]

I whish one of you can post the games for weekend #1 only

that will be easier to predict....games for june 12 and 13th ONLY

the guys with the right score will get a 1.5pt
the guys with the right result will get 1pt - and then WE GET A NICE CONTEST!

[desertfox2]

I whish one of you can post the games for weekend #1 only

that will be easier to predict....games for june 12 and 13th ONLY

the guys with the right score will get a 1.5pt
the guys with the right result will get 1pt - and then WE GET A NICE CONTEST!

Or you can just come to mine in the FIFA and Tournaments forum lol hehe.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112558

But if you guys wanna do one in here just let me know.

[galaxyfan03]

Or you can just come to mine in the FIFA and Tournaments forum lol hehe.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112558

But if you guys wanna do one in here just let me know.

I've joined the one you're talking about, desertfox2, & would like to see it posted in here.

[dfb547490]

Round 1
USA 9-0 Grenada, Gre. 0-4 USA (US wins 13-0 agg.)
El Salvador 6-0 Bermuda, Ber. 1-3 ES (ES wins 9-1 agg.)
Jamaica 2-1 Haiti, Hat. 0-0 Jam. (Jamaica wins 2-1 agg.)
Panama 3-1 St. Lucia, StL. 1-0 Pan. (Panama wins 3-2 agg.)
Costa Rica 2-1 Cuba, Cuba 2-1 CR (3-3 agg., Cuba wins on PKs)
Guatemala 5-1 Surinam, Sur. 0-2 Guat. (Guatemala wins 7-1 agg.)
Honduras 8-0 Netherlands Antilles, NA 0-5 Hon. (Honduras wins 13-0 agg.)
Canada 6-0 Belize, Bel. 0-3 Can. (Canada wins 9-0 agg.)
Mexico 13-0 Dominica, Dom. 0-4 Mex. (Mexico wins 17-0 agg.)
Barbados 4-1 St. Kitts, StK. 2-2 Bar. (Barbados wins 6-3 agg.)
Trinidad 7-0 Dominican Republic, DR 0-4 T&T (T&T wins 11-0 agg.)
St. Vincent 4-0 Nicaragua, Nic. 0-2 StV. (St. Vincent wins 6-0 agg.)

Semi Group A
USA 2-1 Jamaica
Jamaica 0-2 USA
USA 3-0 El Salvador
El Salvador 0-0 USA
USA 5-0 Panama
Panama 0-1 USA
El Salvador 2-0 Jamaica
Jamaica 1-1 El Salvador
El Salvador 3-0 Panama
Panama 1-1 El Salvador
Jamaica 1-0 Panama
Panama 0-1 Jamaica

USA - 16 pts, +12
El Salvador - 8 pts, +2
Jamaica - 7 pts, -3
Panama - 1 pt, -11


Group B
Canada 1-1 Honduras
Canada 2-1 Guatemala
Canada 4-0 Cuba
Honduras 1-0 Canada
Guatemala 1-2 Canada
Cuba 2-1 Canada
Honduras 2-1 Guatemala
Guatemala 1-1 Honduras
Honduras 3-0 Cuba
Cuba 1-2 Honduras
Guatemala 4-0 Cuba
Cuba 0-0 Guatemala

Honduras - 14 pts, +8
Canada - 10 pts, +4
Guatemala - 5 pts, +1
Cuba - 4 pts, -11

Group C
Mexico 2-0 Trinidad
Trinidad 0-0 Mexico
Mexico 5-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-3 Mexico
Mexico 3-0 Barbados
Barbados 1-5 Mexico
Trinidad 4-0 Barbados
Barbados 1-1 Trinidad
Trinidad 6-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-6 Trinidad
Barbados 4-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-2 Barbados

Mexico - 16 pts, +17
Trinidad - 10 pts, +14
Barbados - 7 pts, -5
St. Vincent - 0 pts, -26


HEXAGONAL

USA 1-1 Mexico
USA 2-1 Canada
USA 3-1 Jamaica
USA 3-0 Trinidad
USA 2-1 Honduras
Mexico 0-2 USA
Mexico 1-1 Canada
Mexico 4-0 Jamaica
Mexico 3-1 Trinidad
Mexico 1-0 Honduras
Canada 1-0 USA
Canada 2-1 Mexico
Canada 2-0 Trinidad
Canada 0-2 Honduras
Canada 1-1 Jamaica
Honduras 0-1 USA
Honduras 3-0 Mexico
Honduras 2-1 Canada
Honduras 2-0 Jamaica
Honduras 5-0 Trinidad
Jamaica 2-0 Trinidad
Jamaica 0-2 USA
Jamaica 1-1 Mexico
Jamaica 0-0 Canada
Jamaica 0-1 Honduras
Trinidad 0-3 USA
Trinidad 0-1 Canada
Trinidad 1-2 Mexico
Trinidad 0-2 Honduras
Trinidad 1-1 Jamaica

USA - 25 pts, +15
Honduras - 21 pts, +13
Mexico - 15 pts, +4
Canada - 15 pts, even
Jamaica - 7 pts, -9
Trinidad - 1 pt, -21

USA, Honduras, Mexico qualify
Canada advances to playoff, defeats Saudi Arabia 2-1 on agg. (2-1 home, 0-0 away)

[hobbes]

Interesting reading. The two things that jumped out at me where: ES isn't that strong. I think they are the likeliest team to be upset in the first round and I exect them to be bottom of their sf group if they get there. At the same Panama isn't that bad. They're also tough at home. I'd give them six or seven points at home in the SF round (yes I think they could draw the US at home) and finish with that many. They shouldn't challenge for second, but they'll get more than one point says I.

cheers,
hobbes

[EvanJ]

Semi Group A
USA 2-1 Jamaica
Jamaica 0-2 USA
USA 3-0 El Salvador
El Salvador 0-0 USA
USA 5-0 Panama
Panama 0-1 USA
El Salvador 2-0 Jamaica
Jamaica 1-1 El Salvador
El Salvador 3-0 Panama
Panama 1-1 El Salvador
Jamaica 1-0 Panama
Panama 0-1 Jamaica

USA - 16 pts, +12
El Salvador - 8 pts, +2
Jamaica - 7 pts, -3
Panama - 1 pt, -11

Group C
Mexico 2-0 Trinidad
Trinidad 0-0 Mexico
Mexico 5-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-3 Mexico
Mexico 3-0 Barbados
Barbados 1-5 Mexico
Trinidad 4-0 Barbados
Barbados 1-1 Trinidad
Trinidad 6-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-6 Trinidad
Barbados 4-0 St. Vincent
St. Vincent 0-2 Barbados

Mexico - 16 pts, +17
Trinidad - 10 pts, +14
Barbados - 7 pts, -5
St. Vincent - 0 pts, -26

Based on those results El Salvador would have 9 points (not 8) and Trinidad and Tobago would have 11 points (not 10).

[dfb547490]

Doh.

What surprises me is that you caught that, but didn't catch that I had Jamaica playing in the Hex despite finishing third in their semi group behind El Salvador.

[dfb547490]

Revised Hex predictions to include El Salvador:

USA 1-1 Mexico
USA 2-1 Canada
USA 4-0 Trinidad
USA 3-0 El Salvador
USA 2-1 Honduras
Mexico 0-2 USA
Mexico 1-1 Canada
Mexico 2-0 El Salvador
Mexico 3-1 Trinidad
Mexico 1-0 Honduras
Canada 1-0 USA
Canada 2-1 Mexico
Canada 2-0 Trinidad
Canada 0-2 Honduras
Canada 1-0 El Salvador
Honduras 0-1 USA
Honduras 3-0 Mexico
Honduras 2-1 Canada
Honduras 1-0 El Salvador
Honduras 5-0 Trinidad
El Salvador 2-1 Trinidad
El Salvador 1-3 USA
El Salvador 0-2 Honduras
El Salvador 1-4 Mexico
El Salvador 1-1 Canada
Trinidad 0-3 USA
Trinidad 0-1 Canada
Trinidad 1-2 Mexico
Trinidad 0-2 Honduras
Trinidad 1-0 El Salvador

USA - 25 pts, +16
Honduras - 21 pts, +13
Mexico - 17 pts, +3
Canada - 17 pts, +2
El Salvador - 4 pts, -14
Trinidad - 3 pts, -20

USA, Honduras, Mexico qualify
Canada advances to playoff, defeats Saudi Arabia 2-1 on on agg. (2-1 home, 0-0 away)

[efernandez9]

wow!

that is a real guessing game! can we slow down and post week per week?

[ZeekLTK]

Canada advances to playoff, defeats Saudi Arabia 2-1 on agg. (2-1 home, 0-0 away)

Just curious, but how did you come up with Saudi Arabia as the 5th place Asian team?

[dfb547490]

Just a prediction, since they're the 5th best team in Asia at the moment IMO (not that that neccesarily means they'll be in the playoff because of Asia's qualifying format--Japan, South Korea, Iran, China, and Saudi Arabia could theoretically all be drawn into the same finals group, from which the top 2 qualify and the 3rd plays off against the 3rd from the other group for the right to go to the CONCACAF playoff).

Plus, the playoff is in the winter IIRC and I'd love to see the Saudis have to play in Edmonton in February.

[beachesl]

Just a prediction, since they're the 5th best team in Asia at the moment IMO (not that that neccesarily means they'll be in the playoff because of Asia's qualifying format--Japan, South Korea, Iran, China, and Saudi Arabia could theoretically all be drawn into the same finals group, from which the top 2 qualify and the 3rd plays off against the 3rd from the other group for the right to go to the CONCACAF playoff).

Plus, the playoff is in the winter IIRC and I'd love to see the Saudis have to play in Edmonton in February.

Heeheeehee, I'd love to see that, too. FIFA ain't gonna allow that to happen, you could bet the farm on that. Even in mid-November, when the playoff would occur, Edmonton will probably be well below freezing, so it would have to be Vancouver. FIFA did allow the Maldives-Mongolia preliminary round leg to be played in a sub-zero Ulan Bator, but at this level, you know there will be a pronouncemnt from Zurich if Edmonton would be nominated by the CSA. Probably only Vancouver would be acceptable, even with it's very small stadium.

It depends on how the final Asian Groups are drawn, Japan and S. Korea will be the seeds at the top of each Group. IF Saudi is in with either Iran or China, then I think a 3rd place Final Group finish is in the cards, and I think they have too much depth not to triumph against the other 3rd place Asian in the final group in the first playoff.

In CONCACAF, I would expect that the depth of CR , Mex and the US would
give them the top 3 spots, and the 4th playoff spot would be between Jamaica and the semi advancer from Canada/Honduras/Guatemala. Trinidad and Tobago will easily get to the hex, but will be lucky to get consolation points.

But, prognosticating what would happen in the actual November 2005 playoff is just too difficult.

So, I think dfb's guess is a generally good one.