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Harry Ottis Guff
19 May 2004, 01:51 PM
Why the hell does Sven allways choose this big pile of crap! He's had 12 starts for United this year, and they even agreed to let him go to Middleborough! If he plays in the Euro's he is going to be a liabilty, and god help our defence with that gimp playing in front of them. The worst thing is that he will be the reason Lampard, Hargreaves or Dyer are left out, even though they are better. Butt's inclusion in the squad proves again how much we need a left sided midfielder, and a flat four in midfield. And if Sven feels he needs a holding player why not play Gerrard there and have Lampard on the left?? France will destroy Butt, why cant Sven use a different tactic for once at least! Its not a wise moving going to Portugal and playing France with a defensive out look from the start...if we do you can guarantee France will enjoy it!! **********, I'd even prefer P.Neville to Butt.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 01:52 PM
Butt is under-rated...
He replaced the injured gerrard in WC 2002 and did pretty well .
He played against the argies and was a major reason why we shut them out.

afgrijselijkheid
19 May 2004, 01:55 PM
are you certain you haven't answered your own question?

Harry Ottis Guff
19 May 2004, 01:57 PM
Butt is under-rated...
He replaced the injured gerrard in WC 2002 and did pretty well .
He played against the argies and was a major reason why we shut them out.

I agree he had a good world cup, but he went into it on form and with a season of match fitness behind him. Players should be chosen on their form, and Lampard is probably Englands most on form player at the moment. If someone cant get into their club sides they shouldnt be in the national team in my opinion. this year has been awfull for butt, and the Championship will only make it worse. Would you choose Butt ahead of Lampard??

sinner78
19 May 2004, 02:01 PM
I agree he had a good world cup, but he went into it on form and with a season of match fitness behind him. Players should be chosen on their form, and Lampard is probably Englands most on form player at the moment. If someone cant get into their club sides they shouldnt be in the national team in my opinion. this year has been awfull for butt, and the Championship will only make it worse. Would you choose Butt ahead of Lampard??


lampard has never really had a single decent game for england..
I dunno if he is defensive enough to be compared with butt.

Harry Ottis Guff
19 May 2004, 02:06 PM
lampard has never really had a single decent game for england..
I dunno if he is defensive enough to be compared with butt.

No I mean if Butt is selected it will mean Gerrard playing on the left, and Butt in the holding role, which would mean Lampard being left out. Gerrard should have the holding role...because he's better than Butt, and Lampard should be on the left, because he's a more attacking option than Gerrard...Butt should be in Indo China, because he's crap.

bloonhead
19 May 2004, 02:20 PM
Why the hell does Sven allways choose this big pile of crap!


I'm sorry, but no matter how hard Svenn tries, aslong as he is England coach, he has nothing to choose from but English players, and as we all know that English people cannot play sport, let alone football.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 02:23 PM
No I mean if Butt is selected it will mean Gerrard playing on the left, and Butt in the holding role, which would mean Lampard being left out. Gerrard should have the holding role...because he's better than Butt, and Lampard should be on the left, because he's a more attacking option than Gerrard...Butt should be in Indo China, because he's crap.


Butt has done a good job in big games.
you underestimate him...

Harry Ottis Guff
19 May 2004, 02:23 PM
I'm sorry, but no matter how hard Svenn tries, aslong as he is England coach, he has nothing to choose from but English players, and as we all know that English people cannot play sport, let alone football.


Ok im guessing your either Spanish or American...in which case, the last England-Spain match ended 3-0 England. If your American, why do all your players play in Europe, mainly England? And what was the last major footballing tournament the US won?? Stop sucking your dads d1ck mother**********er.

Harry Ottis Guff
19 May 2004, 02:27 PM
Butt has done a good job in big games.
you underestimate him...

Well, I so thought after Korea too, but since then its been pretty much down hill. I hope your right though because no doubt Sven will be playing him! I think without him in the team we look much stronger, and more ambitious. I think the only reason Butt is selected is because Sven is too scared to change things around a bit, other than in the friendlies he insists on destoring.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 02:29 PM
Well, I so thought after Korea too, but since then its been pretty much down hill. I hope your right though because no doubt Sven will be playing him! I think without him in the team we look much stronger, and more ambitious. I think the only reason Butt is selected is because Sven is too scared to change things around a bit, other than in the friendlies he insists on destoring.


Id put bridge and ashley cole on the left side and that would leave open gerrard for the central role .Butt would then be a backup choice.

bloonhead
19 May 2004, 02:33 PM
If I was Sven I would change national teams, because I would know that no matter how hard I tried, England would never ever be champions.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 02:36 PM
still aint told us your team ,sockpuppet boy....
Dont be shy..

ToasterLeavins
19 May 2004, 02:36 PM
Ok im guessing your either Spanish or American...in which case, the last England-Spain match ended 3-0 England. If your American, why do all your players play in Europe, mainly England? And what was the last major footballing tournament the US won?? Stop sucking your dads d1ck mother**********er.

Great point, if England beat Spain the last time they played then England obviously are the superior team........

bloonhead
19 May 2004, 02:42 PM
still aint told us your team ,sockpuppet boy....
Dont be shy..

Well it depends, I was born in one country, but grew up in another. So I have two. But I like it not to tell you, obviously because you want to know so bad. :D

And what was the last major footballing tournament the US won??

You make it sound like 40 years is recent.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 02:43 PM
Well it depends, I was born in one country, but grew up in another. So I have two. But I like it not to tell you, obviously because you want to know so bad. :D



You make it sound like 40 years is recent.

what the f'ck is it???
im only asking for the team you support .

bloonhead
19 May 2004, 02:44 PM
Great point, if England beat Spain the last time they played then England obviously are the superior team........

THey are English fans, they invented the words like "retard", "idiot", "moron" and plenty of others, just to call themselves it. THey did that for a reason.

Chizzy
19 May 2004, 02:55 PM
what the f'ck is it???
im only asking for the team you support .



I think we're dealing with an individual who shows disgraceful fear.

Richie English
19 May 2004, 02:58 PM
THey are English fans, they invented the words like "retard", "idiot", "moron" and plenty of others, just to call themselves it. THey did that for a reason.

They are good words words my teenage friend.The best midfield for England must be Scholes, Lampard, Beckham and Gerrard. We can beat France.

sinner78
19 May 2004, 03:01 PM
I think we're dealing with an individual who shows disgraceful fear.


yep... :o