Champions League 2004/2005

[kevbrunton]

We are far enough along that we can start tracking who is going to be in next year's Champions League. Teams already qualified are in bold. The status of the rest of the qualifying spots are listed. I'll update this every week or so.

First Round Qualifying - 24 Teams
50. Kazakhstan - Irtysh Pavlodar
49. Azerbaijan - Neftchi Baku
48. Faroe Islands - HB Torshavn
47. Luxembourg - Jeunesse d'Esch
46. Northern Ireland - Linfield Belfast
45. Estonia - Flora Tallium
44. Albania - SK Tirana
42. Wales - Rhyl FC
41. Armenia - Pyunik Yerevan
40. Malta - Sliema Wanderers
39. Ireland - Shelbourne
38. Belarus - FC Gomel
37. Macedonia - Pobeda leading, 5 games
36. Iceland - KR Reykjavik
35. Lithuania - FBK Kaunas
34. Bosnia-Herz - Siroki Brijeg leading, 5 games
33. Georgia - 4 teams in contention, 3 games
32. Moldova - Sheriff leading, 7 games
31. Latvia - Skonto Riga
30. Finland - HJK Helsinki
29. Slovenia - Gorica, Olimpija & Maribor leading, 5 games
28. Cyprus - APOEL Nicosia
27. Hungary - 3 teams tied for lead, 6 games
26. Romania - Dinamo Bucharest & Steaua leading, 6 games

Second Round Qualifying - 28 teams
12 winners from above plus...
25. Slovakia - many in contention, 6 games
24. Denmark - EFB, Kopenhagn & Brondby in lead, 5 games
23. Sweden - Djurgardens IF
22. Croatia - Dinamo Zagreb or Hajduk, 3 games
21. Bulgaria - Loko Plovdiv or Levski, 2 games
20. Norway - Rosenborg BK
19. Serbia-Mont. - Crvena Zvezda or Partizan, 2 games
18. Russia - CSKA Moscow
17. Poland - Wisla leading, 5 games
16. Austria - vGAK or Austria, 3 games
15. Israel 2nd - M. Tel-Aviv, H. Beer-Sheva, M. Petach-Tikva or H. Tel-Aviv, 3 games
14. Ukraine 2nd - Shaktar & Dnipro close, 7 games
13. Switzerland 2nd - Young Boys
12. Czech Rep 2nd - Sparta, Slavia or Sigma, 2 games
11. Belgium 2nd - Brugge or Standard, 2 games
10. Turkey 2nd - Trabzonspor

Third Round Qualifying - 32 teams
14 winners from above plus...
15. Israel 1st - Maccabi Haifa
14. Ukraine 1st - Dynamo Kiev leading, 7 games
13. Switzerland 1st - FC Basel
12. Czech Rep 1st - Banik Ostrava
11. Belgium 1st - Anderlecht
10. Turkey 1st - Fenerbahce
9. Scotland 2nd - Rangers
8. Netherlands 2nd - Ajax or PSV Eindhoven, 2 games
7. Portugal 2nd - Benfica or Sporting, 1 game
6. Greece 3rd - PAOK, AEK or Egaleo, 2 games
5. France 3rd - Lyon, Monaco, PSG, Sochaux, Auxerre, Nantes or Marseille, 4 games
4. Germany 3rd - Bayern Munich, Stuttgart or Bayer Leverkusen, 3 games
3. England 4th - Liverpool, Newcastle or Aston Villa, 2 games
3. England 3rd - Chelsea or Man United, 2 games
2. Italy 4th - Parma, Inter Milan, Lazio or Udinese, 2 games
2. Italy 3rd - Juventus
1. Spain 4th - Deportivo, Barcelona or Real Madrid, 3 games
1. Spain 3rd - Deportivo, Barcelona, Real Madrid or Valencia, 3 games

Group Stage - 32 teams
16 winners from above plus...
9. Scotland 1st - Celtic
8. Netherlands 1st - Ajax or PSV Eindhoven, 2 games
7. Portugal 1st - FC Porto
6. Greece 2nd - Olympiakos Piraeus
6. Greece 1st - Panathinaikos
5. France 2nd - Lyon, Monaco, PSG, Sochaux or Auxerre, 4 games
5. France 1st - Lyon, Monaco, PSG or Sochaux, 4 games
4. Germany 2nd - Bayern Munich or Stuttgart, 3 games
4. Germany 1st - Werder Bremen
3. England 2nd - Chelsea or Man United, 2 games
3. England 1st - Arsenal
2. Italy 2nd - AS Roma
2. Italy 1st - AC Milan
1. Spain 2nd - Valencia, Real Madrid or Barcelona, 3 games
1. Spain 1st - Valencia, Real Madrid or Barcelona, 3 games
Holders - Porto or Monaco


Adjustments: If Porto wins or Monaco wins and finishes in the top 2, then the following happens

10. Turkey 1st - Fenerbache goes directly into the group stage.
16. Austria - goes into 3rd qualifying round.
27. Hungary - goes into 2nd qualifying round.
26. Romania - goes into 2nd qualifying round.

If Monaco wins and finishes 3rd in France, then the following happens.

16. Austria - goes into 3rd qualifying round.
27. Hungary - goes into 2nd qualifying round.
26. Romania - goes into 2nd qualifying round.

[DamonEsquire]

I like F.C. BAsel out of third and Rangers need to surpress Cetlic.

[SwissGCZ]

I like F.C. BAsel out of third
(Just out of curiosity)

Why?

[SwissGCZ]

It should also be noted that Uefa will implement changes in the calculation of UEFA team coefficients: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/news/040329.html

Heavier weight is now put on team's individual performance rather than their respective national association's coefficient. It used to be 50-50, now it's 67-33. What this means is that big clubs from smaller leagues now have a better chance of being seeded...

[DamonEsquire]

There is none for reasoning. However, 2 years ago. I selected them for winner in matches. I knew zilch about them. Ground was broken with them in league. I was not disapointed in failures e.g. not making CL. I am glad to see them again. I still learn internationally.

[SwissGCZ]

There is none for reasoning. However, 2 years ago. I selected them for winner in matches. I knew zilch about them. Ground was broken with them in league. I was not disapointed in failures e.g. not making CL. I am glad to see them again. I still learn internationally.
Oh, ok - I get it. I thought you wanted them out at the third round...

[Forza AZ]

It should also be noted that Uefa will implement changes in the calculation of UEFA team coefficients: http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/news/040329.html

Heavier weight is now put on team's individual performance rather than their respective national association's coefficient. It used to be 50-50, now it's 67-33. What this means is that big clubs from smaller leagues now have a better chance of being seeded...
You not quite correct on the coefficients. The team coefficient will still be counted for 100%, but the country-coefficient will be counted for 33% now (which was 50%).

So it was: 100-50 and it will be 100-33.

[SwissGCZ]

You not quite correct on the coefficients. The team coefficient will still be counted for 100%, but the country-coefficient will be counted for 33% now (which was 50%).

So it was: 100-50 and it will be 100-33.
I stand corrected.

[cachundo]

Wow, 3rd round teams include Man United, Inter, Juventus, Deportivo, Barcelona or Real Madrid, and possibly Bayern Munich. Can a Finalist come out of this round?

[kevbrunton]

Updated May 19

First Round Qualifying - 24 Teams
50. Kazakhstan - Irtysh Pavlodar
49. Azerbaijan - Neftchi Baku
48. Faroe Islands - HB Torshavn
47. Luxembourg - Jeunesse d'Esch
46. Northern Ireland - Linfield Belfast
45. Estonia - Flora Tallium
44. Albania - SK Tirana
42. Wales - Rhyl FC
41. Armenia - Pyunik Yerevan
40. Malta - Sliema Wanderers
39. Ireland - Shelbourne
38. Belarus - FC Gomel
37. Macedonia - Pobeda or Sileks, 2 games
36. Iceland - KR Reykjavik
35. Lithuania - FBK Kaunas
34. Bosnia-Herz - Siroki Brijeg
33. Georgia - Sioni, WIT or Dinamo Tbilisi, 1 game
32. Moldova - Sheriff leading, 5 games
31. Latvia - Skonto Riga
30. Finland - HJK Helsinki
29. Slovenia - Gorica, Maribor or Olimpija, 2 games
28. Cyprus - APOEL Nicosia
27. Hungary - 4 teams within a point at the top, 3 games
26. Romania - Dinamo Bucharest or Steaua leading, 3 games

Second Round Qualifying - 28 teams
12 winners from above plus...
25. Slovakia - many in contention, 5 games
24. Denmark - Kopenhagn, EFB or Brondby, 2 games
23. Sweden - Djurgardens IF
22. Croatia - Hajduk Split
21. Bulgaria - Lokomotiv Plovdiv
20. Norway - Rosenborg BK
19. Serbia-Mont. - Red Star Belgrade
18. Russia - CSKA Moscow
17. Poland - Wisla or Legia, 3 games
16. Austria - Graz AK
15. Israel 2nd - M. Tel-Aviv, M. Petach-Tikva or H. Beer-Sheva, 1 game
14. Ukraine 2nd - Shaktar leading, Dnipro still in running, 5 games
13. Switzerland 2nd - Young Boys
12. Czech Rep 2nd - Sparta Praha
11. Belgium 2nd - Brugge
10. Turkey 2nd - Trabzonspor

Third Round Qualifying - 32 teams
14 winners from above plus...
15. Israel 1st - Maccabi Haifa
14. Ukraine 1st - Dynamo Kiev leading, 5 games
13. Switzerland 1st - FC Basel
12. Czech Rep 1st - Banik Ostrava
11. Belgium 1st - Anderlecht
10. Turkey 1st - Fenerbahce
9. Scotland 2nd - Rangers
8. Netherlands 2nd - PSV Eindhoven
7. Portugal 2nd - Benfica
6. Greece 3rd - PAOK
5. France 3rd - Monaco or PSG, 1 game
4. Germany 3rd - Bayern Munich, Stuttgart or Bayer Leverkusen, 1 game
3. England 4th - Liverpool
3. England 3rd - Man United
2. Italy 4th - Inter Milan
2. Italy 3rd - Juventus
1. Spain 4th - Deportivo or Real Madrid, 1 game
1. Spain 3rd - Real Madrid, Barcelona or Deportivo, 1 game

Group Stage - 32 teams
16 winners from above plus...
9. Scotland 1st - Celtic
8. Netherlands 1st - Ajax
7. Portugal 1st - FC Porto
6. Greece 2nd - Olympiakos Piraeus
6. Greece 1st - Panathinaikos
5. France 2nd - PSG or Monaco, 1 game
5. France 1st - Lyon
4. Germany 2nd - Bayern Munich, Stuttgart or Bayer Leverkusen, 1 game
4. Germany 1st - Werder Bremen
3. England 2nd - Chelsea
3. England 1st - Arsenal
2. Italy 2nd - AS Roma
2. Italy 1st - AC Milan
1. Spain 2nd - Barcelona or Real Madrid, 1 game
1. Spain 1st - Valencia
Holders - Porto or Monaco

[kevbrunton]

Wow, 3rd round teams include Man United, Inter, Juventus, Deportivo, Barcelona or Real Madrid, and possibly Bayern Munich. Can a Finalist come out of this round?
Yes, a finalist could definitely come out of this round. In fact, we very nearly had a final with BOTH teams coming out of qualifying this year as both Chelsea and Deportivo came that route.

BTW, for anyone salivating at the possibility of any of these powerhouses getting drawn against one another in qualifying, it won't happen. All of them will be seeded in the top 16 and therefore could not be drawn against one another.

[ElasticNorseman]

If Porto win, does the 2nd place team from Portugal (Benfica) move up to the group stage and the 3rd place team from Portugal (Sporting) enter in the 3rd round?

[ElasticNorseman]

found the answer on http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/index.html in the 2nd paragraph

No country can have more than 4 representatives in the Champions League. This implies that, if the defending cup holder comes from one of the top three ranked countries, and did not qualify directly for the Champions League, the fourth-placed team of that country has to participate in the UEFA Cup (e.g. Real Zaragoza in 2000).

If the defending cup holder already qualified directly for the group stage of the Champions League, the champion of the 10th country on the country ranking list will gain direct access to the group stage, the champion of the 16th country on the country ranking list will gain direct access to the 3rd qualifying round, and the champions of the 26th and 27th country on the country ranking list will gain direct access to the 2nd qualifying round. Similar changes are made if the cup holder already qualified directly for one of the qualification rounds, or if the cup holder did not qualify directly but is from one of the top three ranked countries.

[Forza AZ]

So for this season that means that the champions of Austria (Grazer AK) move up to QR 3 and the champions of Romania and Hungary move up to QR2 no matter who wins the CL.

If Porto win or if Monaco win and finish 2nd in France, then the champion of Turkey (Fenerbahce) move up to the groupround.
If Monaco win and finish 3rd in France then Fenerbahce will have to start in QR3.

[kevbrunton]

Updated May 24

First Round Qualifying - 24 Teams
50. Kazakhstan - Irtysh Pavlodar
49. Azerbaijan - Neftchi Baku
48. Faroe Islands - HB Torshavn
47. Luxembourg - Jeunesse d'Esch
46. Northern Ireland - Linfield Belfast
45. Estonia - Flora Tallium
44. Albania - SK Tirana
42. Wales - Rhyl FC
41. Armenia - Pyunik Yerevan
40. Malta - Sliema Wanderers
39. Ireland - Shelbourne
38. Belarus - FC Gomel
37. Macedonia - Pobeda Prilep
36. Iceland - KR Reykjavik
35. Lithuania - FBK Kaunas
34. Bosnia-Herz - Siroki Brijeg
33. Georgia - Sioni Bolnisi or Georgia Tbilisi, league playoff
32. Moldova - Sheriff or Nistru, 4 games
31. Latvia - Skonto Riga
30. Finland - HJK Helsinki
29. Slovenia - Maribor, Gorica or Olimpija, 1 game
28. Cyprus - APOEL Nicosia
27. Hungary - Debrecen, Ujpest or Ferencvaros, 1 game
26. Romania - Dinamo Bucharest or Steaua, 2 games

Second Round Qualifying - 28 teams
12 winners from above plus...
25. Slovakia - Banska Bystrica leading, Zilina & Ruzomberok in contention, 4 games left
24. Denmark - Kopenhagn or Brondby, 1 game
23. Sweden - Djurgardens IF
22. Croatia - Hajduk Split
21. Bulgaria - Lokomotiv Plovdiv
20. Norway - Rosenborg BK
19. Serbia-Mont. - Red Star Belgrade
18. Russia - CSKA Moscow
17. Poland - Wisla Krakow
16. Austria - Graz AK
15. Israel 2nd - M. Tel-Aviv
14. Ukraine 2nd - Shaktar leading, Dnipro still in running, 4 games
13. Switzerland 2nd - Young Boys
12. Czech Rep 2nd - Sparta Praha
11. Belgium 2nd - Brugge
10. Turkey 2nd - Trabzonspor

Third Round Qualifying - 32 teams
14 winners from above plus...
15. Israel 1st - Maccabi Haifa
14. Ukraine 1st - Dynamo Kiev leading, 4 games
13. Switzerland 1st - FC Basel
12. Czech Rep 1st - Banik Ostrava
11. Belgium 1st - Anderlecht
10. Turkey 1st - Fenerbahce
9. Scotland 2nd - Rangers
8. Netherlands 2nd - PSV Eindhoven
7. Portugal 2nd - Benfica
6. Greece 3rd - PAOK
5. France 3rd - Monaco
4. Germany 3rd - Bayer Leverkusen
3. England 4th - Liverpool
3. England 3rd - Man United
2. Italy 4th - Inter Milan
2. Italy 3rd - Juventus
1. Spain 4th - Real Madrid
1. Spain 3rd - Deportivo

Group Stage - 32 teams
16 winners from above plus...
9. Scotland 1st - Celtic
8. Netherlands 1st - Ajax
7. Portugal 1st - FC Porto
6. Greece 2nd - Olympiakos Piraeus
6. Greece 1st - Panathinaikos
5. France 2nd - PSG
5. France 1st - Lyon
4. Germany 2nd - Bayern Munich
4. Germany 1st - Werder Bremen
3. England 2nd - Chelsea
3. England 1st - Arsenal
2. Italy 2nd - AS Roma
2. Italy 1st - AC Milan
1. Spain 2nd - Barcelona
1. Spain 1st - Valencia
Holders - Porto or Monaco

There are 9 spots still in contention. The holders and Hungary's spot will be decided on Wednesday this week. A few others will be decided this weekend - Denmark, Slovenia & Georgia. The rest may wrap up sooner, but their seasons last longer - Romania (6/3), Slovakia (6/8), Ukraine (6/10) and Moldova (6/13).

[Forza AZ]

Because the Cup Holder already qualified for CL via their national league the Hungarian and Romanian champions start in QR2 in stead of QR1 and the Austrian champions (Grazer AK) starts in QR3 in stead of QR2.

If Porto win the CL, then Fenerbahce start in Round 1, if Monaco wins Fenerbahce starts in QR3.

[kevbrunton]

Because the Cup Holder already qualified for CL via their national league the Hungarian and Romanian champions start in QR2 in stead of QR1 and the Austrian champions (Grazer AK) starts in QR3 in stead of QR2.

If Porto win the CL, then Fenerbahce start in Round 1, if Monaco wins Fenerbahce starts in QR3.
Yes and I said that already in the initial post. However, until the final happens tomorrow, I wasn't going to make those changes in the overall list because I wanted to list Porto or Monaco as the holder and then make ALL the appropriate adjustments rather than start making them piecemeal. I felt it would be clearer that way.

[kevbrunton]

Updated May 26

First Round Qualifying - 22 Teams
50. Kazakhstan - Irtysh Pavlodar
49. Azerbaijan - Neftchi Baku
48. Faroe Islands - HB Torshavn
47. Luxembourg - Jeunesse d'Esch
46. Northern Ireland - Linfield Belfast
45. Estonia - Flora Tallium
44. Albania - SK Tirana
42. Wales - Rhyl FC
41. Armenia - Pyunik Yerevan
40. Malta - Sliema Wanderers
39. Ireland - Shelbourne
38. Belarus - FC Gomel
37. Macedonia - Pobeda Prilep
36. Iceland - KR Reykjavik
35. Lithuania - FBK Kaunas
34. Bosnia-Herz - Siroki Brijeg
33. Georgia - Sioni Bolnisi or Georgia Tbilisi, league playoff
32. Moldova - Sheriff or Nistru, 4 games
31. Latvia - Skonto Riga
30. Finland - HJK Helsinki
29. Slovenia - Maribor, Gorica or Olimpija, 1 game
28. Cyprus - APOEL Nicosia

Second Round Qualifying - 28 teams
11 winners from above plus...
27. Hungary - Debrecen, Ujpest or Ferencvaros, 1 game
26. Romania - Dinamo Bucharest or Steaua, 2 games
25. Slovakia - Banska Bystrica leading, Zilina & Ruzomberok in contention, 4 games left
24. Denmark - Kopenhagn or Brondby, 1 game
23. Sweden - Djurgardens IF
22. Croatia - Hajduk Split
21. Bulgaria - Lokomotiv Plovdiv
20. Norway - Rosenborg BK
19. Serbia-Mont. - Red Star Belgrade
18. Russia - CSKA Moscow
17. Poland - Wisla Krakow
15. Israel 2nd - M. Tel-Aviv
14. Ukraine 2nd - Dynamo Kiev or Shaktar, 3 games
13. Switzerland 2nd - Young Boys
12. Czech Rep 2nd - Sparta Praha
11. Belgium 2nd - Brugge
10. Turkey 2nd - Trabzonspor

Third Round Qualifying - 32 teams
14 winners from above plus...
16. Austria - Graz AK
15. Israel 1st - Maccabi Haifa
14. Ukraine 1st - Dynamo Kiev or Shaktar, 3 games
13. Switzerland 1st - FC Basel
12. Czech Rep 1st - Banik Ostrava
11. Belgium 1st - Anderlecht
9. Scotland 2nd - Rangers
8. Netherlands 2nd - PSV Eindhoven
7. Portugal 2nd - Benfica
6. Greece 3rd - PAOK
5. France 3rd - Monaco
4. Germany 3rd - Bayer Leverkusen
3. England 4th - Liverpool
3. England 3rd - Man United
2. Italy 4th - Inter Milan
2. Italy 3rd - Juventus
1. Spain 4th - Real Madrid
1. Spain 3rd - Deportivo

Group Stage - 32 teams
16 winners from above plus...
10. Turkey 1st - Fenerbahce
9. Scotland 1st - Celtic
8. Netherlands 1st - Ajax
6. Greece 2nd - Olympiakos Piraeus
6. Greece 1st - Panathinaikos
5. France 2nd - PSG
5. France 1st - Lyon
4. Germany 2nd - Bayern Munich
4. Germany 1st - Werder Bremen
3. England 2nd - Chelsea
3. England 1st - Arsenal
2. Italy 2nd - AS Roma
2. Italy 1st - AC Milan
1. Spain 2nd - Barcelona
1. Spain 1st - Valencia
Holders - FC Porto

There are 8 spots still in contention. Hungary's spot will be decided on Thursday this week. A few others will be decided this weekend - Denmark, Slovenia & Georgia. The rest may wrap up sooner, but their seasons last longer - Romania (6/3), Slovakia (6/8), Ukraine (6/10) and Moldova (6/13).

[rockzibi]

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[O.K.]

Well, the Hungarian Championship is over and Ferenvaros are triumphant, but Debrecen is going to protest against the results because Ferencvaros had a "suspended" player in their line-up in the last decisive game. So this case might get discussed some more here (Debrecen officials even threatening to involve UEFA), but at this point Ferenvaros are Hungarian Champions 2003/2004 and CL-Qualification participants.