Is this keeper handling?

[NHRef]

I know that a player cannot intentionally pass the ball back to the keeper using his foot and have the keeper pick up the ball. What about these two scenarios:

1) Player traps the ball on a kick in from the opponent, then leaves it for the keeper who then picks it up?

2) What about a pass from a teammate to a defender in the box, who then traps and leaves the ball for the keeper to pick up?

In both cases I think you can make a case for an IFK for either keeper handling or intentionally trying to get around keeper handling via trickery.

Comments?

[Tame Lion]

1) Player traps the ball on a kick in from the opponent, then leaves it for the keeper who then picks it up?
If trapped with foot, it is "passback." If trapped with knee (or above), it's okay. If with shin, you decide whether it is close enough to be foot or not.
2) What about a pass from a teammate to a defender in the box, who then traps and leaves the ball for the keeper to pick up?
If trapped with foot (or close enough on shin), it is "passback." If trapped above foot, you decide whether it looks like a DELIBERATE TRICK or not. If it is, caution trapper and award IFK to opponents at trapping location. I would resolve doubts about deliberate trick in favor of no card.

[Ref Flunkie]

I agree with Lion. You must be sure that the intent of the trap is for the keeper to pick it up and not a misplay, as could be the case in younger leagues.

[jkc313]

I know that a player cannot intentionally pass the ball back to the keeper using his foot and have the keeper pick up the ball. What about these two scenarios:

1) Player traps the ball on a kick in from the opponent, then leaves it for the keeper who then picks it up?

2) What about a pass from a teammate to a defender in the box, who then traps and leaves the ball for the keeper to pick up?

In both cases I think you can make a case for an IFK for either keeper handling or intentionally trying to get around keeper handling via trickery.

Comments?

If both traps were with the feet, then both are "passbacks" and the keeper may not handle the ball

[soccermainiac2003]

1 more question. as a defender, can i juggle the ball a few times then head it back to the keeper.
I assume not, but just wondering

[BentwoodBlue]

You can. But only if you want a yellow card. :)

[jkc313]

1 more question. as a defender, can i juggle the ball a few times then head it back to the keeper.
I assume not, but just wondering
If you can juggle it with your head,go for it. If you're using your feet like the rest of us, it's USB

[NHRef]

Ok one more slight twist, what if the trap, with the foot by the defender was not to hand it off to the keeper, but once the defender traps it and is looking up field for a play, the keeper yells out " I got it" so the defender then changes his mind and leaves it?

I THINK this still is an IFK infraction.

[david58]

Ok one more slight twist, what if the trap, with the foot by the defender was not to hand it off to the keeper, but once the defender traps it and is looking up field for a play, the keeper yells out " I got it" so the defender then changes his mind and leaves it?

I THINK this still is an IFK infraction.


I have been taught to consider this an infraction - basically, if the defender deliberately plays the ball to the keeper or to a place where the keeper can get to it, it is an infraction.

[refmike]

If the keeper calls for the ball and the defender either passes it back or leaves it for the keeper to pick up, then it is a pass back and IFK infraction.
If the keeper runs in and grabs the ball without the defender participating, it is not a passback. The decision we must make is "was this a planned event?"

[Tame Lion]

. . . The decision we must make is "was this a planned event?"
No -- plans have nothing to do with the decision. The decision is whether the ball was deliberately kicked to a place where the GK could reasonably get it.

[Hattrix]

If a member of the keeper's team has trapped the ball with his feet, then leaves the ball for the keeper, that is a back-pass.

But I have a different question regarding a dispute I had with another referee. Suppose team A serves a lead pass down the sideline that is too far for anyone to catch up to. The 'keeper from team B steps outside the box and traps the ball with his foot, then dribbles into the box and picks the ball up.

This play was whistled for an illegal handball by the 'keeper. I've checked the laws and found no reason to agree with this call. Any thoughts?

[Craig P]

I'm pretty sure I've seen that done by keepers in top level leagues and/or in internationals with no call.

[Craig the Aussie]

If a member of the keeper's team has trapped the ball with his feet, then leaves the ball for the keeper, that is a back-pass.

But I have a different question regarding a dispute I had with another referee. Suppose team A serves a lead pass down the sideline that is too far for anyone to catch up to. The 'keeper from team B steps outside the box and traps the ball with his foot, then dribbles into the box and picks the ball up.

This play was whistled for an illegal handball by the 'keeper. I've checked the laws and found no reason to agree with this call. Any thoughts?

Main thought is you had a ref who unfortunately does not know the Laws and you should report him/her to the controlling body (unless of course it was one of those US school comps with strange rules then maybe they were right)

[Scott Zawadzki]

The 'keeper from team B steps outside the box and traps the ball with his foot, then dribbles into the box and picks the ball up.

This play was whistled for an illegal handball by the 'keeper. I've checked the laws and found no reason to agree with this call. Any thoughts?

The referee might be a bit confused on the call...or he may have been correct!

Under USSF (outdoor) rules, a keeper can dribble a ball that was played by his opponent into his own penalty area and pick it up.

Under USIndoor rules, a keeper cannot play the ball into his own penalty area and pick it up. The restart indoors would be a direct kick from the top of the penalty arc.

If the game was played outdoors, perhaps your referee had confused his interpretations having just come off the indoor season........or perhaps he just had a brain fart :D

Scott