BS Cup rules thread

[Helghallen]

I dug the initial rules out and posted them here.

Group play will consist of a home-and-home mini-league (6 games). The top two teams from each group, as well as the best two third place teams will advance to the knockout round (the remaining 3rd and 4th place teams will have the option of forming a consolation bracket, if wished).

All games will be played under cup rules.

Wins will be worth 2 points, pk losses (i.e., ties after 90 minutes) worth 1 point, losses worth 0 points.
Points will be used to reseed teams for the purposes of the knockout bracket. The knockout bracket will be home and home, except for the final and 3rd place games, which will be held at the lower seed's stadium.

In the case of ties within a group, the tiebreakers will be (in order) goals scored, goal differential, fewest disciplinary points, and average home attendance. In the unlikely event that there is still a tie, then it will be setteled by the largest bribe to the tournament administrator.

Also, since this is a friendly/ reserve cup, your starting lineup should be mostly reserve players. Each team should post their starting lineups (just names, no positions necessary, unless you wat to) to the board. Only four players from your starters will be allowed to play in cup games. If you have 17 or fewer players (DC Untied) you will be allowed to add additional starters to be able to field a full team, but you will be ridiculed and told to go buy a cheap $1000 28-year old passable IM. Starters can be named as subs.

Lineups need to be posted asap (before the first round of BS cup games a the latest.

Now that we have nearly finished the first BS cup, what changes does everyone think need to be made?

[kopiteinkc]

1. I think it should 3 points for a win, not 2.

2. Fielding a max of 4 players from your starters is mandatory. If you don't have a big enough squad, get one. If you don't, you don't play. Hell a few weeks of crappy youth pulls would fill a roster.

3. Line ups must be posted prior to 1st round or you don't play.

4. Failing to accept a challenge and "accidentally" scheduling a different friendly instead of a BS Cup match should result in immediate forfeit of the match. Full points to your opponent.

[Craig P]

Posting of lineups: Prior to the start of the cup, each team should post a roster of league starters. The eligibility of the cup lineups should be judged against that. The roster can be amended to take acquisitions and/or sales into consideration. It cannot be amended for form (perhaps an allowance could be made for some kind of "appeals" process if a team is really hammered on form and needs to make wholesale changes to their league lineup to cover).

I agree that lack of players is not an excuse -- there should be players capable of filling out a lineup on the market for $1000, and only teams in a truly desperate financial state are unable to make one or two such acquisitions.

[kuhnscoot]

So far I have to agree with everything, here is what I would do

1. Set your league starters before the cup starts, it is from this list that you set your cup starters from, changes can be made due to purchases and sells along with player skill increases, but must be made know to everyone, with a new posting of your league lineup which leads to...

2. Only 4 players from your league starters can play on your cup team, if you don't have the players, get them, like has been said, you can pick up cheap guys on the transfer list.

3. Like Mark said, change it to 3 points for a win, and change the rules from playing cup style matches, to playing normal, and just having ties, which will be 1 point.

4. Again like Mark said, if you don't accept the friendly or schedule another by accident, should be an automatic 3-0 walkover.

5. Try to post on the site a few times a week, so everyone knows that you know what is going on with the cup.

I think that is it, if I think of more I'll post them. How are we going to decide what rules are put into effect? Are we just going to vote on them or what?

[phillips10]

I agree with everything that has been posted. Perhaps we should do a roster minimum?

Say no one enters Cup without a 22 man roster? Other ideas:

1) How about just 3 players from your previous league match lineup? Make it more of a true reserve cup.

2) Limit the Cup to frequent BS posters, that will help keep it together and move things along well without missed weeks. Perhaps even cap it to 12 teams.

3) I'm glad ur_land started this up, but the commissioner should be a very visable poster here to make decisions quickly. I nominate Helghallen.

4) Make the knockout rounds 1 match, rewards the better team with a home game and removes the possibility of this stretching beyond the current season.

[Helghallen]

Oh lord, my big mouth has gotten me in trouble now. All I was trying to do was increase my post count. ;)

Seriously, I don't have a problem with running the tournament if no one else does.

And I like the 22 player minimum roster and three starter max. Limiting to regular posters is a good idea.

Let's keep the ideas moving, this is great stuff.

[kopiteinkc]

Kuhnscoot recommended going to normal instead of cup rules.

I would oppose this as "cup rules" tends to bring in larger crowds for friendlies than normal matches.

We could stick with the PK winner getting 1 point after a draw.

[Craig P]

I agree with everything that has been posted. Perhaps we should do a roster minimum?

Say no one enters Cup without a 22 man roster?I think that might be a little overboard. I've been playing a while, and I don't have 22 players who get game time on my squad (I've got two benchwarmers that never play). If you're going to require a limit of four league starters, then I don't think you need more than 18 as a roster minimum (to provide minimal injury cover).

[kuhnscoot]

Kuhnscoot recommended going to normal instead of cup rules.

I would oppose this as "cup rules" tends to bring in larger crowds for friendlies than normal matches.

We could stick with the PK winner getting 1 point after a draw.


I hadn't really thought about it in that sense, looking at it from that way, I withdraw my coment about the normal rules, we all need to get money when we can with the friendly cup, so scrape that idea.

In regards to a new commissioner, maybe we need to consider having 2 so that it greatly increases the chances of a problem being resolved quickly.

Also, with the thought of a protest happening again, maybe we need to have a group of participants in the tournament to bring protest to. Every time there is a protest, any three managers not immediately involved in the problem would consider it and make a decision on the protest. Kind of tribunal thing.

[Helghallen]

I like the idea of two commissioners. From all appearances, ur_land put a lot of work into this tournament. Having two people share responsibility would greatly ease this workload.

The tribunal also seems to be a good idea.

And ur_land, I don't want to step on your toes. I don't want you to think I'm trying to take your job.

[kopiteinkc]

Maybe Helghallen and ur_land can do it together?

[kuhnscoot]

Any other ideas? And if not how do we decide which one of these rules we should put into effect for next year? It seems like everyone wants a player min, and that the teams need to be kind of active. Any ideas?

[ur_land]

Let's vote on what rule changes we want during the break between this season and next season.

And I don't mind being dual commissioner (sp?). I like working on the behind the scense rules/set up more anyway, and it would be nice to have someone that's a little more active on the boards be available to quickly clear up problems. This way we also avoid conflicts of interest, which happened twice in this cup.

[Helghallen]

Let's vote on what rule changes we want during the break between this season and next season.

I agree with this. Give everyone a chance to make suggestions and then decide what the rules should be.

And I don't mind being dual commissioner (sp?). I like working on the behind the scense rules/set up more anyway, and it would be nice to have someone that's a little more active on the boards be available to quickly clear up problems. This way we also avoid conflicts of interest, which happened twice in this cup.

Since you wouldn't mind having someone help run the Cup, I would be willing to help, since I seem to be here more than anyone else (which really is a scary thought, i have no life :D)

[phillips10]

I think that might be a little overboard. I've been playing a while, and I don't have 22 players who get game time on my squad (I've got two benchwarmers that never play). If you're going to require a limit of four league starters, then I don't think you need more than 18 as a roster minimum (to provide minimal injury cover).

well, lets look at dc untied. He has an 18-man roster...one is his coach and say one is hurt. He's playing 6-7 starters from his league team. If we are setting a max of 4 league players in the BS Cup, then thats at least 18 active players. You have to add a spot for the non-playing coach and at least 1-2 for injuries. I say minimum 20-man roster.

and I like the dual commissioner setup a lot.

[Craig P]

True, I don't even think about my coach when I'm adding up the players on my roster, although that would change if I shifted a viable player to coach in the future. I could see requiring 20 including the coach.

[kopiteinkc]

A motion:

20 players minimum on roster, dual commissioners (ur_land and Helghallen)

Can I get a second?

All those in favour say "Aye"

[Helghallen]

A motion:

20 players minimum on roster, dual commissioners (ur_land and Helghallen)

Can I get a second?

All those in favour say "Aye"

I'll second both of those. And vote "aye."

[ur_land]

Let's not worry about voting quite yet. We'll set up some polls in the offseason. Why don't we dedicate this thread to figuring out some possible rule changes.

[Helghallen]

Bump!

I've looked at the previous posts and have narrowed the major rules points down to these. Keep the original rules with the following exceptions.


Roster minimum. This numberf varies.
Max # of starters: 3 or 4.
Cup or normal rules. I think consensus has already shifted this to Cup because of increased attendance.
3 points for a win instead of 2, still 1 point for PKL.
Failure to schedule games will result in walkover. 3-0.
Frequent poster
Post lineup before start of Cup.
Dual commissioners
Rules tribunal to settle disputes.