I love Chivas USA

[pc4th]

Inspired by the I hate Chivas USA thread.

I love Chivas USA

why?

Whether Chivas USA ends up at Chicago or LA, it will benefit MLS.

1) stadium benefit: In LA, Chivas will pay AEG to use HDC. In Chicago, Chivas will resolve the stadium debts faster with the Chicago Fire. More money for both team.

2) community benefit: Bridgeview agreed to build the stadium for the Fire because the town want the economic benefit of having a soccer team in town. Restaurants, hotels, bars...etc...
Having 2 teams will double the economic effect.
The same would take place at Carson, I imagine.
Like a poster commented: if Chivas USA end up in Chicago, I will go and buy a bar somewhere near the Bridgeview stadium.

3) attendance benefit each team will have 2 home games against your conference opponent. So it is virtually guarentee that Chivas de Chicago will have 2 out of 15 home games sold out. Chicago Fire 2 out of 15 sold out. Galaxy will have 2 out of 15 games sold out. Or Chivas de Los Angeles 2 out of 15 sold out. without any marketting I might add

4) tapping into the Mexicans fanbase benefit Right now MLS is not doing a good job, might as well let someone who know what he is doing to take over. Who know, maybe Telemundo might sign a TV contract with MLS because of it.

5) local derby benefit Enough say. You know you want to be there cheering on for your team

6) more investor for MLS benefit I think MLS could use some more investors, don't you?

P.S. Take it from Peter Wilt, the GM of the Chicago Fire, he wants Chivas USA to come to Chicago and he knows what he is doing. There isn't a person that is more familiar with the Chicago soccer scene than he is, and if he thinks it is a good idea, it's a good idea.

Take it from Vergera, he is risking his $10 million and more with this venture, I am pretty sure he did his research. It's not like MLS Fantasy for Owners where money is fake.

Take it from MLS, despite some of the follies, I trust in MLS to do what it sees as the best interest for the league.

I rather see Chivas USA play in a SSS in either Chicago or LA than seeing Chivas USA playing in 67 k football stadium in San Diego or Houston.
p.s. Expanding to other cities to increase TV contract/rating doesn't work with me. Having an extra city and an increase in 10,000 households isn't going to make a dent in the rating.

[pc4th]

I forgot to add 2 things:

1) without CHivas USA drama, it would be really dull on BigSoccer the couple of days/weeks and the months before.

2) Chivas USA will draw well when they are on the road. Trust me, they probably become the second highest (if not highest) team in term of road attendance next to DC United with Freddy Adu.

If you think Freddy draws well now, imagine Chivas USA on the road for next year. They won't beat Freddy, but it will be a significant bump nonetheless. And God knows that MLS need an attendance boost. Imagine Chivas @ SJ instead of Columbus @ SJ

Or
Chivas @ Dallas instead of ____ @ Dallas.
Chivas @ LA instead of _____@ LA.

Damn, the more I thought of it, the more I realize how great this idea of Chivas USA is. Go Chivas.

[SwissGCZ]

No team in the entire history of MLS has triggered more emotions than Chivas USA and they've yet to play a single game (!)

And for that reason...

http://docs.femexfut.org.mx/EquiposFoto/PrimeraDivision/GUADAL.jpg

Viva Chivas!

[Greddy]

I love them because they would immediately have the third best uniforms in MLS. Also, despite the fact that alot of Anti-Chivas people think that the fans will be motivated by hate, I believe that their new fans will be motivated by pride. And to have such pride in a team before it even plays a game is a beautiful thing.

[pc4th]

I love them because they would immediately have the third best uniforms in MLS.

Great looking uniforms.

[Own Goal Hat-Trick]

1) stadium benefit: In LA, Chivas will pay AEG to use HDC. In Chicago, Chivas will resolve the stadium debts faster with the Chicago Fire. More money for both team.

you forgot to pluralize teams

2) community benefit: Bridgeview agreed to build the stadium for the Fire because the town want the economic benefit of having a soccer team in town. Restaurants, hotels, bars...etc...
Having 2 teams will double the economic effect.
The same would take place at Carson, I imagine.
Like a poster commented: if Chivas USA end up in Chicago, I will go and buy a bar somewhere near the Bridgeview stadium.

on what gounds are you basing this statement?

i doubt that cities like chicago or la would blink over any sort of economic "benifit" from another soccer team.

also, want needs to be wants, and end needs to be ends.

3) attendance benefit each team will have 2 home games against your conference opponent. So it is virtually guarentee that Chivas de Chicago will have 2 out of 15 home games sold out. Chicago Fire 2 out of 15 sold out. Galaxy will have 2 out of 15 games sold out. Or Chivas de Los Angeles 2 out of 15 sold out. without any marketting I might add

chivas de chicago? i cant think of a better way of ostracizing joe-average-american soccer fan than naming a team Chivas de Chicago. and what makes you think that this Chivas teem will have enough fans to sell out both games?

also, your should be thier, and guarentee needs to be guranateed.

4) tapping into the Mexicans fanbase benefit Right now MLS is not doing a good job, might as well let someone who know what he is doing to take over. Who know, maybe Telemundo might sign a TV contract with MLS because of it.

this IS a joke right? remember how awesome the mexican fanbase was with all those players LA brought in? talk about fantastic support there. the MLS isnt going to thrive on the "mexican fanbase", its going to survive on joe-average-american soccer fan who isnt going to give two ********s about a Telemundo tv contract. Hell, if telemundo got the rights to MLS, forcing ESPN and ABC out, thatd pretty much be the beginning of the end. talk about disasters...


5) local derby benefit Enough say. You know you want to be there cheering on for your team

say ought to be said

6) more investor for MLS benefit I think MLS could use some more investors, don't you?

yeah, only if they arent going to be alienating most of the soccer fans in this country.

the first investor should be investors.


the rest of your post is a mess. expanding the footprint of the league IS what we need, not some mexi-centric team with meixcan players and pandering to mexican fans.

thier uniforms maybe red, white and blue but thier players were born in the wrong country, they speak the wrong language and have no interest in helping the mls succeed where it needs to most, the development of american soccer players and fans. thier hearts are in the wrong place.

[pc4th]

sorry, English is my second language.

Hope you can still read it.

[Own Goal Hat-Trick]

sorry, English is my second language.

Hope you can still read it.

i could, no problem, just helping ya out.

[Greddy]

I honestly doubt that I could disagree with you more. I guess I just have a different view on the subject.



i doubt that cities like chicago or la would blink over any sort of economic "benifit" from another soccer team. You're absolutely right my friend. But we're not talking about Chicago are we? The Fire's new stadium will be located in Bridgeview, and while practically a part of Chicago, they are in fact a smaller town that would GREATLY benifit from having twice as many soccer games. Part of the reason that they wanted the Fire is because they believe that having a soccer team in their town will help the local businesses (Bars, Hotels, ect...). Twice as many soccer games mean twice as many opportunities for those businesses to cash in on that game day crowd.


chivas de chicago? i cant think of a better way of ostracizing joe-average-american soccer fan than naming a team Chivas de Chicago. and what makes you think that this Chivas teem will have enough fans to sell out both games? I doubt Joe six pack will feel Ostracized by Chivas de Chicago, but if he feels left out at any time, the Chicago Fire will be more than happy to cater to him. That's the beauty of putting Chivas in a city that already has an MLS team. Those who don't feel that Chivas is for them can always go to either the Fire or the Galaxy. Those teams will continue to market to people outside of Chivas' demographic.


this IS a joke right? remember how awesome the mexican fanbase was with all those players LA brought in? talk about fantastic support there. the MLS isnt going to thrive on the "mexican fanbase", its going to survive on joe-average-american soccer fan who isnt going to give two ********s about a Telemundo tv contract. Hell, if telemundo got the rights to MLS, forcing ESPN and ABC out, thatd pretty much be the beginning of the end. talk about disasters... A couple of things here. Telemundo can get the SPANISH LANGUAGE rights to MLS, much like they have with the World Cup. ABC and ESPN will not be affected. The Fire actually do currently show some games on Telemundo.

If MLS cannot thrive on the Mexican fanbase, then why is every sports league in America trying so hard to get that fan base? Mexicans and hispanics in general are the largest minority in this country, and their numbers are growing every day. I'm not saying MLS as a whole should concentrate exclusively on this demographic, but I think any actions that can be taken to attract them to our product should at least be considered. Including bringing in a product marketed directly at them, being sold by a man with quite a lot of experience dealing with this demographic.

And about Mexican support. Who's to say that they won't stick around. The polish fans in Chicago stuck around. In fact, a large portion of the Mexican support stayed as well. And in this case, it's not like the Mexican connection with the fans is going to leave after a few years like Jorge Campos. The connection will always be there, as it is part of the very identity of the club.



yeah, only if they arent going to be alienating most of the soccer fans in this country. Some would argue that most of the soccer fans in this country are of hispanic descent. They will not be alienated by this. But even if you meant fans who aren't hispanic, that won't be a problem. Chivas does not have to worry about getting these people as fans. Let me fill you in on something. There are over 1,000,000 mexicans in Chicago. About two thirds of which have roots in Guadalajara (Chivas home city), and almost all of them are Chivas fans(even those who weren't born there). Vergara only has to worry about getting 25,000 on a weekly basis to average a sold out stadium.


the rest of your post is a mess. expanding the footprint of the league IS what we need, not some mexi-centric team with meixcan players and pandering to mexican fans.. The team will have a mix of players, this has been discussed ad nauseum. They will operate under MLS rules. And while they may not expand our footprint, if they can expand our demographic, that could be infinitely more important.


thier uniforms maybe red, white and blue but thier players were born in the wrong country, they speak the wrong language and have no interest in helping the mls succeed where it needs to most, the development of american soccer players and fans. thier hearts are in the wrong place.

This is the part that puzzles me. How do you know where Vergara's heart is? The fact that you think this successful business man is about to make an investment worth tens of millions of dollars, and not care about the well being of the league proves that you don't.

Oh yeah, about this: "thier uniforms maybe red"

It's spelled their. No problem, just helping ya out.

[Greddy]

I quite like it when people with different opinions from mine post on these boards. It forces there to be a discussion. We all have the best interests of our league in our hearts, and these discussions are necessary to make us think objectively about what is actually in our league's best interests. What I don't appreciate is when someone spends half of their post attacking someone's poor grammar. The tone I picked up in your post was not that of someone being helpful, but that of someone belittling someone else in order to somehow diminish their view point. It's something that I see far too often on Bigsoccer, and it's something that just get's in the way of the discussion. So let's all keep this friendly. Good day.

-Mike

[yellowbismark]

I don't mind them joining the league, but I really don't like the idea of them being in Chicago. I think the Chicago fan base seems a little fragile as it is right now, I don't know if they could support 2 teams. LA would be much better.

If they were in LA, MLS would have its first great (real/true) rivalry game vs Galaxy. And if you get CA in the mix in Houston, then two great rivalries right there.

[Justin O]

also, your should be thier, and guarentee needs to be guranateed.

So smart ass, why don't you tell us how to properly spell "their"? And don't try and say it was typo. You highlighted the damn word in order to draw attention to it. If your own spelling of your own language (which I assume English is) is at such a low level, perhaps you shouldn't go around pointing out mistakes of those who speak English as a second, third or fourth language.

If nothing else, you should realize that making fun of a Hispanic individual's English (assuming pc4th is Hispanic...perhaps not) is splendid ammunition for those who see the real motivation behind anti-Chivas USA sentiment to be anti-Mexican racism.

[pc4th]

If nothing else, you should realize that making fun of a Hispanic individual's English (assuming pc4th is Hispanic...perhaps not) is splendid ammunition for those who see the real motivation behind anti-Chivas USA sentiment to be anti-Mexican racism.

haha, no i'm not Hispanic though I am an immigrant of this great country.
I am in the pro-Chivas USA camp because I believe it's a great opportunity for MLS and soccer in America in general in term of growth and development. Though there are some very real risks of having Chivas USA in either LA or Chicago, the benefits of Chivas USA situated there far outweights the risks.

[Hecho en Mexico]

I love them because they would immediately have the third best uniforms in MLS.

which are the top two?

[Hecho en Mexico]

http://docs.femexfut.org.mx/EquiposFoto/PrimeraDivision/GUADAL.jpg

Viva Chivas!

various lifestyles is #94.7. :D

[Greddy]

which are the top two?

Just my opinion

http://images.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/media/thumbnails/blurb/2003-04/3148817.jpg

[Lithium858]

haha, no i'm not Hispanic though I am an immigrant of this great country.
I am in the pro-Chivas USA camp because I believe it's a great opportunity for MLS and soccer in America in general in term of growth and development. Though there are some very real risks of having Chivas USA in either LA or Chicago, the benefits of Chivas USA situated there far outweights the risks.
Where are you from then?

[rhino_rulz]

Best two MLS uniforms: L.A. Galaxy and D.C. United :)
Worst two MLS uniforms: Dallas Burn and Chicago Fire :confused:

[MeVale]

Chivas or any other Mexican team hooking up with a team in MLS is OK--It'll improve attendance and I believe U.S. and Mexican futbol being of different styles could learn a lot from each other. The problem with Chivas USA might be legal. Perhaps Vergara is unaware of US anti-discrimination laws when he proposes a mostly Mexican and all-Latino team. He can get away with restrictions in Mexico where there is great legal distintion between rights of Mexican and extranjero and where anti-discrimination laws are either nonexistent or uninforced. The US is different. There's all white professional hockey teams and all-black professional basketball teams--with the ethnic composition of the sports it is not a surprise. But soccer is very mixed and to announce beforehand the intention of including or excluding players based on race--will that be accepted as legal in the U.S.?

[SABuffalo786]

If Club America and Chivas come into MLS, it could very well be the biggest thing to happen to American soccer, ever. Mexican-American soccer fans are a HUGE untapped resource just sitting there, waiting for MLS to exploit it. You want MLS to overtake the NHL? Well, this is how it happens. We already know the MFL is more popular than the NHL in this country, and well, you do the math. Get these people involved with American soccer. Give them a reason to like MLS and the US National teams. Damn, Dirty Mexicans they may be, but I believe they can put MLS over the top if they enter the league, and subsequently domino effect into the national team.



Viva Chivas! Viva America!