View Full Version : Ranieri could be sacked as early as Monday
MetroAndAGuinessPlz
25 Apr 2004, 06:58 AM
This is from The Sun, which as far as I know is not the most reputable of tabloids (correct me if i'm wrong there), so I guess, take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2004190385,00.html
sinner78
25 Apr 2004, 07:04 AM
doubt it ,he is there at least until the end of the champions league campaign..
papers are reporting that mourinho is signed for next season already..
CFC Blues
25 Apr 2004, 07:21 AM
This is from The Sun, which as far as I know is not the most reputable of tabloids (correct me if i'm wrong there), so I guess, take it with a grain of salt.
If its in The Sun - better take it with a bucket of salt.:rolleyes:
Clan
25 Apr 2004, 07:38 AM
doubt it ,he is there at least until the end of the champions league campaign..
papers are reporting that mourinho is signed for next season already..
I saw that in the on-line editions of some of them.
There seems to be two schools of thought on him.
One is that he's an excellent manager that has taken Porto to the brink of an historic treble this season, a chance to bag three titles in a row and two cups in Europe in a row.Time for him to move on to be put in the same hights as the Capellos.
The other school is that he really hasn't done anything other than keep what was an already usually dominant Porto strong in their league, lucked out in Europe and doesn't have the skills to manage a top team in a very challenging league.
There was an article i read though, where he said that his poilicy is to have the same players on the pitch most of the time.
An anti-Ranieri if you will.
sinner78
25 Apr 2004, 10:16 AM
I saw that in the on-line editions of some of them.
There seems to be two schools of thought on him.
One is that he's an excellent manager that has taken Porto to the brink of an historic treble this season, a chance to bag three titles in a row and two cups in Europe in a row.Time for him to move on to be put in the same hights as the Capellos.
The other school is that he really hasn't done anything other than keep what was an already usually dominant Porto strong in their league, lucked out in Europe and doesn't have the skills to manage a top team in a very challenging league.
There was an article i read though, where he said that his poilicy is to have the same players on the pitch most of the time.
An anti-Ranieri if you will.
Porto had a spell where they didnt the title for about 3 or 4 years when sporting lisbon and boavista won the league .Mourinho returned them to the top....so they werent dominant when he arrived.
If you watched them in last seasons uefa cup they played brilliant football and it deffo wasnt down to luck...
This year they have repeated the form in the champions league.
he did all this with a small budget..
RobB
25 Apr 2004, 10:49 AM
The most natural thing for RA to do is sack Ranieri before the 2nd leg of the ECL. From the moment the final whistle went in Monaco I didn`t think Claudio would be manager for the return game, not if RA has got any sense anyway.
the101er
25 Apr 2004, 11:08 AM
Or Sunday.
cfc069
25 Apr 2004, 04:42 PM
This is from The Sun, which as far as I know is not the most reputable of tabloids (correct me if i'm wrong there), so I guess, take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2004190385,00.html
Hey if it is in The Sun, then it is very likely to be true. Any other tabloid I would not wee on it if it was on fire!!
Claudio if you ever get to read this, I think that you have been treated, well animals in transit get treated better than you have been, and you have remained, calm and with dignity although very eccentric..... hey Whats a Champions League game amongst friends???
Today I thought the team was well uninspired but very very unlucky. Your Rock, Marcel I am afraid is obviously looking forward now to greater riches in the Middle East as there isn't much for him to look forward to here. Well he can't play in the Champions League again this season. He has helped to blow the League. Why wait!!! Why not go the the Middle East now. The Sun might dry him out a bit more and stop the porous nature of the way that he let Ameobi and Shearer turn him today and we conceded two goals. Rock sorry to say it chum. You are more like a soggy wet apple!!!!
However the bright and unlucky side. How many more times are Chelsea gonna create enough chances to win only to see Lucky Luck turn tail and deny Chelsea what would have been a handome win. Had JFH been on target, along with Huth and Lampard's headers that just went wide, Given wouldn't have stood a chance. At least with Ambrosio's saves, must stop calling him Teflon (non stick) they were straight at him.
The save from Gudjohnsen - World Class I have to say and what more does JT have to do to score a goal....
Claudio I do hope that you are around until the end of season. You at least deserve a lap of honour where you can walk around the pitch at the end of the Leeds game and look up into the West Stand and stick TWO, ney more fingers up at RA PK.
Claudio you can leave and get on with your life. Us I am afraid we are stuck with what we have got. A Man U interloper and a Russian with more money than brains
Take Care Claudio
I am gonna miss you :)
nicephoras
25 Apr 2004, 05:11 PM
I agree with some of what you said, but.......he brought this on himself. I really think the Monaco game sealed that. If we had kept our formation normal and gone back even with a 1:1 scoreline after being a man up, we'd be talking about Claudio taking a lap of honor in Gelsenkirchen. Now, we're talking about Claudio's departure, completely down to his failure.
Btw, I think its becoming more and more apparent we need another CB. Desailly isn't up to snuff anymore.
Panzo
26 Apr 2004, 04:06 PM
Ranieri deserves one more season before the knives go in. Considering that this is a transitional time for the club, the club's current position is pretty impressive. I mean you're 2nd in the league to a team having its best ever form, the same team that had knocked you out of the FA Cup and the same one you had knocked out of the CL. Think about it, if Arsenal weren't having a tremendous season you guys might be shooting for a treble now and during a rebuilding season, no less.
Dumping a manager that has gotten you this far seems pretty excessive to me. And every great manager has their bad quirk that the fans only complain about when they lose. With Wenger, they seemed to rant about the way he defended 1-goal leads. With Ferguson, they complain about his tactical flaws and his tendency to play players out of position this year. And even though Ancelotti was getting rave reviews for his handling of Juve and Roma, he then goes into the CL 2nd leg with an attack-minded formation despite only needing to defend a 3-goal lead...Ugh!
Basically, if Chelsea were in the hunt for a treble at this stage, the media would be calling Ranieri a rotational genius. And if JFH had put in his chances against Monaco, they'd be raving about the manager's clever substitution. Winning makes all the difference in the public's fickle mind. Basically, I'm saying Ranieri is still doing pretty well by the look of things.
Achtung
26 Apr 2004, 04:17 PM
Ranieri is an excellent manager, and it would be a total shame is he were to fall under the axe. It's amazing that he's brought so many big names (read: egos) together and gotten them to play as a team. Well, c'est la vie...
nicephoras
26 Apr 2004, 04:21 PM
Well.....yes and no. Has Ranieri done a good job? Yes. But.....his rotation has failed us badly at times. The continued insistence on making a winger out of Joe Cole (he's not) the constant shuffling of Gallas at RB (he's not a fullback!), the bizarre subsitutions in the Monaco game (Huth at RB? WTF???), still playing Parker on the right in Europe (all our better performances have come with him out of there - see second half against Arsenal) and other gaffes hurt.
And while yes, we are doing very well, lets not forget that this is a vastly talented team. While this statistic is hardly dispositive, in a recent "draft" held in the Beautiful Game forum, Chelsea had the most players taken. We have an overabundance of riches at certain positions. It wouldn't be unfair to say that I could guide this team to a top 4 finish. So while Ranieri has shown himself to be a great builder of young sides (Valencia, and the improvement all our younger players have shown, like Lampard and Terry) there is still a lot of doubt regarding the ability of his teams to succeed on the big stage. If he wins the CL, I think he stays. But honestly, that's no longer all that likely. Sadly.
I wish Claudio the best, and I'd rather keep him, but he dug his own grave in the Monaco game and after our recent poor form. ManUtd have been desperately trying to hand us 2nd place, and we keep rejecting it. I know we can't win the league, but we have to play better than that!
umbra
27 Apr 2004, 05:24 PM
Just to help the Mourinho comments, he really didn't have the players when he got there. He took out-of-favour Deco and Maniche from Benfica, and took their qualities to a whole new level. Benfica thought they were both busts.
Then if you look at players like Paulo Ferriera and Derlei, he took both of them through Leiria (basically a farm team of the big 3 in Portugal) when he coached there, and brought them to Porto with him. What I'm saying is he didn't just go to Porto and win. He really changed their whole operation.
That said, I think Mourinho needs to be the star of the team for it to succeed. I mean, if you look at Porto, they don't have many players who would be considered stars on big teams like Chelsea or Arsenal. I think he thrives as the underdog (MU for example). If you take him to Chelsea (hypothetically) his system might backfire. He really pushes players to the limit in practice and will only take the hardest working players. And I think he needs to biuld a team around him.
At chelsea, he would essentially have Ranieri's team, which might not suit his style of coaching or play. If I were Roman, I'd seriously give Ranieri another chance, because it's not fair to expect a team of transfers to beat solid teams who know eachother. Now that this young team have a season under the belt, I'm sure they will be so sick next season.
just my 2cents..
umbra
27 Apr 2004, 05:33 PM
oh, and if you do get mourinho, be prepared for everyone to love to hate you. Mourinho is so disliked here because he's an arrogant SOB.
ATL Blue One
27 Apr 2004, 07:31 PM
oh, and if you do get mourinho, be prepared for everyone to love to hate you. Mourinho is so disliked here because he's an arrogant SOB.Everyone already loves to hate us
Panzo
28 Apr 2004, 12:32 AM
Everyone already loves to hate us
Nah, I wouldn't say that. They seem to hate Man U and Arsenal though, I guess due to their success and unlikeable managers. Ranieri gives Chelsea a warmer, more appealing face in the media... basically someone neutrals can cheer for. Without him, you're left with just Kenyon and Abramovich as the main media figures... not exactly a friendly image for the club.
And if you add Mourinho to the picture, well then you've got the Unholy Trinity on your hands (at least as far as some would label it).
If we get Mourinho next year I can already see the new Chelsea
http://www.par.ucsb.edu/reccen/rc-images/diving.jpeg
the101er
28 Apr 2004, 10:10 AM
That new kits flash, but I doubt Blatter will approve it.
umbra
28 Apr 2004, 11:48 AM
the picture doesnt load for me GPK, is it you guys holding a trophy or something? ;)
nicephoras
28 Apr 2004, 11:58 AM
That new kits flash, but I doubt Blatter will approve it.
Well, FIFA are still making noises about that Cameroon one piece they wore in a recent tournament....