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Ictar
08 Sep 2002, 12:02 AM
I have the World Cup version. You can't edit your players on that. Otherwise, I'd make the USA as good as Brazil stat wise.

Which is something I hope is done in 2003. I've been waiting since the days of early Nintendo soccer games to be able to be the USA without sacrificing player stats, and I hope we're much better in Fifa 2003. =)

mr magoo
08 Sep 2002, 06:54 AM
The Fifa games totaly suck. Sensible Soccer will forever be the king of football video games.

Auriaprottu
08 Sep 2002, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Ictar
I have the World Cup version. You can't edit your players on that. Otherwise, I'd make the USA as good as Brazil stat wise.

Which is something I hope is done in 2003. I've been waiting since the days of early Nintendo soccer games to be able to be the USA without sacrificing player stats, and I hope we're much better in Fifa 2003. =)

It's not all that hard to use the USA to win in earlier versions of FIFA, with the exception of W/C '98 (NOT RTWC '98, but the one with Nats only). I use them from time to time on WTS 2002 with decent results (semis and finals on World Class Level). That said, expect a small USA boost for FIFA 2003.

I've always wondered how game developers rank players from leagues that never play each other (Say, MLS and anybody else). My guess is that they just go with popular opinion- which we all know amounts to zero credibility.

The game needs a true world championship for clubs as well, perhaps held every four years. I'm sure some of the poor SA, African, MLS, MFL and Asian players would love to be able to tell their kids that they played against guys like Ronaldo, Saviola, R. Carlos, Veron, Elber, Ze Roberto, Batistuta, Samuel, Crespo, Cafu, Simeone, Rivaldo, Burgos, and the others. Perhaps between the Euro years and World Cup years, I don't know.

eric515
09 Sep 2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Auriaprottu

I'm sure some of the poor SA, African, MLS, MFL and Asian players would love to be able to tell their kids that they played against guys like Ronaldo, Saviola, R. Carlos, Veron, Elber, Ze Roberto, Batistuta, Samuel, Crespo, Cafu, Simeone, Rivaldo, Burgos, and the others. Perhaps between the Euro years and World Cup years, I don't know.

Dude, why did you only name Argentinian and Brazilian players?? There are other countries with good professional footballers!! :)

Auriaprottu
09 Sep 2002, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by eric515


Dude, why did you only name Argentinian and Brazilian players?? There are other countries with good professional footballers!! :)

You're right... Okocha, Diouf, Babayaro, Nakata, Chilavert, Kewell, Viduka, Bosnich, Reyna, Friedel, Keller, Radebe, Dublin, Yorke, Wanchope, and others.

eric515
09 Sep 2002, 04:19 PM
Originally posted by Auriaprottu


You're right... Okocha, Diouf, Babayaro, Nakata, Chilavert, Kewell, Viduka, Bosnich, Reyna, Friedel, Keller, Radebe, Dublin, Yorke, Wanchope, and others.

There, I fell better...But...

You didn't name any Bundesliga players!! There are other pro leagues besides English, Italian, and Spanish!! And why all the Aussie players??!! Theyd didn't even make the World Cup!! :)

ball handler
09 Sep 2002, 08:12 PM
Originally posted by Auriaprottu


You're right... Okocha, Diouf, Babayaro, Nakata, Chilavert, Kewell, Viduka, Bosnich, Reyna, Friedel, Keller, Radebe, Dublin, Yorke, Wanchope, and others. chilavert, come on now

Auriaprottu
09 Sep 2002, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by eric515


There, I fell better...But...

You didn't name any Bundesliga players!! There are other pro leagues besides English, Italian, and Spanish!! And why all the Aussie players??!! Theyd didn't even make the World Cup!! :)

Actually, Elber and Ze Roberto are Bundesliga players. I included the Aussies because they, lke the others I mentioned, are part of the growing number of players from outside Europe that are responsible for any margin of superiority UEFA clubs may have.

I was posting in response to Ictar, who lamented that the USA wasn't getting enough respect when game developers assign attribute points to national team players. When this question has been posed in the past, there are about seven trolls who come here and suggest that they don't deserve any more than they get, despite the fact that they advanced just as far as Europe's traditionally popular teams. Of all the popular (Germany, Italy, France, England, Holland, Spain, Portugal) UEFA teams, only Germany can claim at this point to be superior to the USA where it counts- on the pitch. Everyting else is speculation. The facts and stats speak for themselves- MLS and South American teams don't play against European teams, and their respective nations don't play against each other anywhere but the World Cup- and we know where everyone ended up there. Yet the trolls continue to ignore the numbers and bash the US Nats and South American leagues, citing everything from "tradition" to TV popularity as reason for their venom.

I suggested a club world championship because I think the teams that would do the best would be teams with a number of South American players and at least one South American superstar. My point is that if UEFA clubs are better, they are better because of the talent they buy rather than because of the talent they develop, and that the national teams in games should be assigned a combination of team points (for their showing in the World Cup- Portugal/France/Argentina's so-called superstars didn't make much of a team, for example)and individual points, rather than averaging individual points alone. Hope this helps.

Ted Cikowski
09 Sep 2002, 11:55 PM
well they did have a world club cup and Vasco beatr Manchester United. They were going to have another one but it was cancelled and the LA Galaxy and Olimpia CD were going to be in it.


This World Club Cup, as you know, was featured in the game World Tour Soccer.

eric515
10 Sep 2002, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by Auriaprottu

I suggested a club world championship because I think the teams that would do the best would be teams with a number of South American players and at least one South American superstar. My point is that if UEFA clubs are better, they are better because of the talent they buy rather than because of the talent they develop, and that the national teams in games should be assigned a combination of team points (for their showing in the World Cup- Portugal/France/Argentina's so-called superstars didn't make much of a team, for example)and individual points, rather than averaging individual points alone. Hope this helps.

I didn't catch that the players you listed were all non-Euros, well done...Oops on the BL thing. Anyway, I was just giving you a hard time out of boredom anyway... :)