Goff: Starting Goalie Job Is Still Up In the Air

[sch2383]

A catch all write up

Nowak says that the clear number one will emerge at some point this season and that Warren "Overall, for a first game, I'd say it was a pretty good performance" Nowak said.

Also: Q1 is out for 6 weeks (known already); Adu will miss 3 of 4 training sessions this week; Ara will miss two days this week for couse work at Harvard (maybe this is why he isn't playing yet); Convey is called up; Nowak is talking to MLS officials about the non-call when Namoff was fouled; if Jamie plays in 20 of 30 MLS games, Scum get out 1st round pick, after that its a 2nd or 3rd round pick; Etch is a leading candidate to become the technical director of Bolivia's national team

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28851-2004Apr20.html

Mod's Note - Just fixed the link

[Sandon Mibut]

So, of Moreno plays 20 games, we're out a first round pick, which would give us no picks the first three rounds since we trade our 2nd and 3rd rounders next year to move up and get Ara.

And, if Jaime doesn't play in 20 games, we need to come up with a second rounder to send to the MetroStars.

Here's hoping he plays 19 games!

[eltico]

Once Martins, Q1, and Q2 come back from injuries you've got to think we'll be trading at least one (maybe two) of our surplus of forwards and that draft picks might be involved in such a deal.

[McOwen]

I thought the up in the air part was supposed to be a description of our defensive organization. :rolleyes:

Congrats to Marco if that goes through.

Thanks for the link Knave. (I would have done it, but hell I am lazy and on a laptop somewhere in the mountains... I cant do everything. :D )

[John_Harkes_6]

That is a fricking ridiculous price to pay for Moreno who the Metros didn't even want.

[monster]

That is a fricking ridiculous price to pay for Moreno who the Metros didn't even want.
It's similar to the Vaca deal, IIRC, so maybe the league has somewhat of a standard for "future considerations" now.

[Frog Boy]

Getting back to the original thread topic: I think Nowak needs to decide who his goalie is going to be. You can't have instability at that position. Plus, you can't have these guys worried that one screw up and they lose their job.

[bigredfutbol]

Getting back to the original thread topic: I think Nowak needs to decide who his goalie is going to be. You can't have instability at that position. Plus, you can't have these guys worried that one screw up and they lose their job.

Well, Warren had a big screw-up and he's still in the running (at least according to Nowak's public comment on the matter), so I'm not so sure we're at a situation like the Cannon/Garlick Rapids debacle from last season.

[neilgrossman]

That is a fricking ridiculous price to pay for Moreno who the Metros didn't even want.

Have you been watching the same Moreno I have this season? It seems like he's worth a first round pick.

Look at the deal like: if he plays like he worth a first round, NY gets one. If not, NY doesn't get one. Therefore, we won't over pay.

Other teams know Moreno's potential. It's possible they would have gotten him if we offered less.

[ursula]

Moreno's better than a 1st round pick.

[neilgrossman]

Good thing this article wasn't in the Washington Times. Everyone would be complaining the writer knows nothing about soccer because it's about a "goalie", not a "goalkeeper".

Since Goff is shown some (well-deserved) appreciation, I don't see a post like that. (Fortunately, we're also saved from numerous follow-up posts discussing whether "goalie" is appropriate.)

[John_Harkes_6]

Have you been watching the same Moreno I have this season? It seems like he's worth a first round pick.

Look at the deal like: if he plays like he worth a first round, NY gets one. If not, NY doesn't get one. Therefore, we won't over pay.

Other teams know Moreno's potential. It's possible they would have gotten him if we offered less.

Is he playing well - yes. Is he worth giving up a first round pick for - certainly debatable. Really debatable when the team getting the first round pick didnt even want to player to begin with.

Basing the comp on games played is soft. goals, points, minutes, etc would provide a better comparison of value.

[Th4119]

Moreno's better than a 1st round pick.

Wait until he's hurt in June.



;)

[Cantankerous]

Wait until he's hurt in June.



;)
Ah, but by that time Santino will be back, ready to fulfill his destiny as GFE.
(Greatest Forward Ever)

At this point, I'll be happy if Q1 takes the field again.

And I'm hoping that Jaime's newly-discovered work ethic might keep him healthy for longer periods.

[elconejito]

man, tino just cant get a break....

[Cantankerous]

man, tino just cant get a break....No, don't get me wrong. I'm not slamming him. He has all the tools to succeed if he can get past his injury streak. I hope this last procedure will get him back playing soon

I do think that his early success and hype went to his head and affected his workrate and attitude a bit. I would have loved to have seen him come to MLS under a coach like Nowak.

The problem he faces is that he makes a lot of money, certainly in terms of what value he has provided to the team so far. How long will the team be patient with him and wait for that potential to pay off? Nowak's comments about Santino should have been very encouraging. He had high praise for him.

I hope to see him on the field soon. Once he's back, the battle between Q1, Martins, Esky, Moreno, and Adu will be a good one, with each player bringing a different set of skills to the table. That would be a welcome problem for Nowak to face.

[elconejito]

No, don't get me wrong. I'm not slamming him. He has all the tools to succeed if he can get past his injury streak. I hope this last procedure will get him back playing soon

I do think that his early success and hype went to his head and affected his workrate and attitude a bit. I would have loved to have seen him come to MLS under a coach like Nowak.

The problem he faces is that he makes a lot of money, certainly in terms of what value he has provided to the team so far. How long will the team be patient with him and wait for that potential to pay off? Nowak's comments about Santino should have been very encouraging. He had high praise for him.

I hope to see him on the field soon. Once he's back, the battle between Q1, Martins, Esky, Moreno, and Adu will be a good one, with each player bringing a different set of skills to the table. That would be a welcome problem for Nowak to face.
i didn't think u were slamming him, i just meant it more in terms of "here's another injury... right after the last one... right after the one before that... which was.... (can you guess?) right after the last one"

[TEConnor]

Good thing this article wasn't in the Washington Times. Everyone would be complaining the writer knows nothing about soccer because it's about a "goalie", not a "goalkeeper".

Since Goff is shown some (well-deserved) appreciation, I don't see a post like that. (Fortunately, we're also saved from numerous follow-up posts discussing whether "goalie" is appropriate.)

I prefer 'keeper. I would have a small problem if he wrote netminder or goalminder. Otherwise, I would prefer not to debate the subject further...but if you insist, I do wonder about your assertion that "goalie" is not an acceptable description of the position using the American vernacular sporting language. Seriously, if you look at the history of the word, you could argue that the Canadian influence from hockey would be an equally valid influence on any future north american usage, even considering the difference in sport. Factoring in the proximity, the shared linguistic histories of the two countries and the similarity in the sports, you would have a difficult case arguing that goaltender, goalie, goalkeeper, or keeper would be siginificantly different in description of the position and all equally relevant for a newspaper article. It's all about context.

Now, if he Goff had reported something blatantly incorrect, such as Marco being offered the director position for Belarus instead of Bolivia, that would be more akin to the type of reporting typical of the Times' soccer coverage in the past.

Cheers,
Tim

[Sandon Mibut]

The reality with Tino is that there is nothing in his history to suggest he'll ever be durable.

The fact is, he's never played more than a a half a season in MLS.

In 01, he played in 16 games, starting 10.

The next year, 11 games, all starts.

Last year, 12 games, 8 starts.

This year, by the time he's match fit, half the season will be gone. He'll be hard pressed to play 15 games even if he didn't have a LOT of competition at the forward and MF spots.

The guy's from Baltimore but that appears to be all he has in common with Cal Ripken. He's the Anti-Iron Man. The kid just can't get and stay healthy and I don't know why folks think that will suddenly change when there is nothing in his history to suggest it will.

We're talking about a guy who, at the end of this year, will have spent four full seasons in MLS and never played more than half a year, all because of injuries.

And for that, United is paying him way too much. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the players making as much jack as they can get, but from a team perspective, paying a part-time player 100K per in a league with the tight salary budget like MLS has, that's just way too much.

Barring a major pay cut, I see nothing that suggests Tino will be in a DC uni next year. It's a sad story because he came to DCU with such promise, but the reality it that he's never come close to living up to it, in part because of his attitude and in part because his body just won't let him.

[DutchFootballRulez]

Cal Ripken is from Aberdeen, MD. I understand the metaphor