Avram Grant ver. 2 - If I were the Chelsea Manager

[Ben7021]

Thought we could all try this and see if it works out. If not, then it can descend to the depths of page 2. The purpose of this thread is to help keep the transfer thread a better source for news. So in this thread we can have people talk about who they would like to see go, who they would like to see come in, and what tactics they would like to see, and the transfer thread will be more for news articles and discussion of players who have been at least somewhat concretely linked in/out of the club. Anyways, thought It might be worth a shot, and if I'm the only one interested in this kind of set up then just let it fall off the map or mods can delete.

[Dear_Claudio]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany_national_under-21_football_team

We should sign all of those players. They did hold Spain to a draw in the first game. The English players are all overrated.



But seriously this thread is a good idea. Hopefully the mindless discussion will stay here.

[fernb8]

Great idea lads, but I am going to hold of on this until the new transfer thread opens.

It will be easier to manage that way.

Closed temporarily.

[fernb8]

Reopened.

We should sign Pato, Benzema, Hamsik, Tevez and Ronaldo...

:p

[Kazuma]

Sign me. I can play as an SS. I'm quite quick for a guy who is 6'2 also. :P Plus, I can look good on youtube and be effective in real life.

[yasik19]

I'm the best soccer player on BS.


Fact. Mel B said so.

[fernb8]

To clear up confusion.

This would appear in the transfer thread-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article6557910.ece

Chelsea to sign Zhirkov. The pros and cons and debates of this player and possible players who are better would be discussed there.

We should sign Pato, Silva, Mata, Aguero, Benzema, and Villa because we need to improve our fowards

would appear here for debate and discussion. See its not all bad in this thread.

[Blue Celery]

I'm the best soccer player on BS.


Fact. Mel B said so.

You're goin down.

[yasik19]

You're goin down.

Nor Cal athletes don't dive.

[Blue Day]

Hamsik, Sturridge, Zhirkov, Adebayor

SELL DECO SHIP HIS ASS OUT

Stay away from Zlatan unless he is allowed to have "Zlatan" on the back of his shirt instead of Ibrahimovic

[Kazuma]

er...we finished third...for the first time in how many years

No thanks to Scolari and his not putting men on the posts rule. Even with Alex we conceded the least amount of goals in the league while Carvalho was out. Throw in the fact that with Alex-Terry we kept the vaunted Barca attack quiet.

Alex is ahead of Carvalho purely on merit now. Plus, we have enough cover in CB. It'd be stupid if we held onto Carvalho and lose one of Ivanovic or Alex in the process. Throw in the fact that Mancienne could be a CB (Still want to see him there first, I was unable to watch the England u21 game today) and we have more than enough people at CB.

I love Carvalho but it's time to move on.

[lobomojo]

No thanks to Scolari and his not putting men on the posts rule. Even with Alex we conceded the least amount of goals in the league while Carvalho was out. Throw in that with Alex-Terry we kept the vaunted Barca attack quiet.

Alex is ahead of Carvalho purely on merit now. Plus, we have enough cover in CB. It'd be stupid if we held onto Carvalho and lose one of Ivanovic or Alex in the process. Throw in the fact that Mancienne could be a CB (Still want to see him there first, I was unable to watch the England u21 game today) and we have more than enough people at CB.

I love Carvalho but it's time to move on.

Not by any means saying Carv was a bigger issue than no-post Scolari, but I do think if he was healthy perhaps a couple to a handfull of results may have been different and might be next season.

It is complete, absolute and utter nonsense to say Alex is or should be ahead of the elegant Carv on merit. Lest we forget many here last season and the season before were saying Carv was our best player or in the top 3, some saying better than JT even and now he is not as good as the inconsistent occasional blunder, slower less quick, but yes quite good Alex, ffs:rolleyes:

Aurguably Carv is one of the 3-5 best cb's in the world, I don't see anyone making that aurgument for Alex and if Carv was in, does Iniesta score, perhaps not, though he might have been fouled at the edge of the box by Carv;)

You make a fair aurgument on losing a younger player though I'd still lose Alex before Carv or Ivano and Carv still pronbably has a good 4-5 years of top class football.

Agree to disagree after this but I don't see how you get better by chucking one of you best players

[Kazuma]

Not by any means saying Carv was a bigger issue than no-post Scolari, but I do think if he was healthy perhaps a couple to a handfull of results may have been different and might be next season.

Yet when he came back from injury he looked a shadow of himself. Hiddink, the same man we've all been begging to stay benched Carvalho after the two games he had.


It is complete, absolute and utter nonsense to say Alex is or should be ahead of the elegant Carv on merit.

No it isn't. Alex played very well and has made the spot his own. We conceded the least amount of goals with Alex playing a majority of the games.

Lest we forget many here last season and the season before were saying Carv was our best player or in the top 3, some saying better than JT even and now he is not as good as the inconsistent occasional blunder, slower less quick, but yes quite good Alex, ffs:rolleyes:

That was then, this is now. Alex is also quicker than we think, a Mr. Eto'o should know.


Aurguably Carv is one of the 3-5 best cb's in the world, I don't see anyone making that aurgument for Alex and if Carv was in, does Iniesta score, perhaps not, though he might have been fouled at the edge of the box by Carv;)

Not now and had it not been for a completely dumb ref we wouldn't be talking this point.

You make a fair aurgument on losing a younger player though I'd still lose Alex before Carv or Ivano and Carv still pronbably has a good 4-5 years of top class football.

He's on the wrong side of 30, has injury problems*, and wants out. Injury problems and 30 are a different case, yes Terry suffered a slew of them but he's in his late 20s and has seemed to have gotten over it.

*: In case someone brings up the medical staff, we didn't have much of an injury problem when Hiddink came in.


Agree to disagree after this but I don't see how you get better by chucking one of you best players

One of the things that keeps United ticking is knowing when to let go of players who have been great for them before it's too late. They let them go before they become a liability, like Desailly (Loved him) did with us in his final season. Right now is the best time to sell Carvs for that reason alone.

[schafer]

One of the things that keeps United ticking is knowing when to let go of players who have been great for them before it's too late. They let them go before they become a liability, like Desailly (Loved him) did with us in his final season. Right now is the best time to sell Carvs for that reason alone.

Alternatively, one could point out that one of the strengths of United is not getting rid of older players (Giggs, Scholes) who still have alot to offer despite some periods of indifferent form.

[Kazuma]

Alternatively, one could point out that one of the strengths of United is not getting rid of older players (Giggs, Scholes) who still have alot to offer despite some periods of indifferent form.

The difference being is that those two aren't starters anymore along with the fact that they're willing to be on the bench.

[Master_Chief123]

Alternatively, one could point out that one of the strengths of United is not getting rid of older players (Giggs, Scholes) who still have alot to offer despite some periods of indifferent form.

As well as the fact that Carvalho is probably hardly at the stage of "too late". One poor season consisting of injuries does not mean that he should be sold. We should not be looking to sell him unless a very good offer is given, and I still think he is a much better defender than Alex - I just never feel safe with Alex at the back.

See how this season goes before we judge him off one poor season(which are due to injures) eh

[lobomojo]

Yet when he came back from injury he looked a shadow of himself. Hiddink, the same man we've all been clamoring to stay benched Carvalho after the two games he had.

Ok I'll agree to disagree after this post

He had a bad hammy, was playing on a bad hammy and had not played in 3 monthes and did not immedially look world classs enough for you first match out, by that standard JT, Joey, Drogs, Ashley all would be gone by now


No it isn't. Alex played very well and has made the spot his own. We conceded the least amount of goals with Alex playing a majority of the games.

well a quarter of the season's matches Carv played, and a couple Ivano so Alex did not set that total by himself, and having JT, Ashley, Bos and Cech and Obi might be a factor. You sound like the English journo's now:rolleyes: He made the spot his "own" because Carv was "out", I'll readily concede Alex is better than a Carv who can't walk or run. Lest we forget most of the time many were saying Ivano should start over Alex, hardly a consensus that Alex "owns" the spot.

You have some fair aurguments for your chuck Carv policy, saying Alex is near as good right now or better no less ain't one of the sane ones

That was then, this is now. Alex is also quicker than we think, a Mr. Eto'o should know.

really he is just as quick as I think; and that is slower and less quick than a healthy Carv and many strikers, which is not to say that he is not a quality athlete and player, are you saying he is quicker than Eto, or that the whole Chelsea did a mostly great job, and forgetting his header to Barca in our own box and a couple of other mistakes that were not pounced upon fortunatly

Not now and had it not been for a completely dumb ref we wouldn't be talking this point.

here is your right as rain broken clock moment in this post


He's on the wrong side of 30, has injury problems*, and wants out. Injury problems and 30 are a different case, yes Terry suffered a slew of them but he's in his late 20s and has seemed to have gotten over it. ...*: In case someone brings up the medical staff, we didn't have much of an injury problem when Hiddink came in.

Many Cb's have their best years from 30-35 and he is faster and quicker than your replacement for him. Premature to say he has "injury problems", he had a bad hammy which usually is a multi-month to season long issue for players of any age and by most accounts it was handled badly and he was rushed in too quick during the Scolari reign

If "he wants out" as I said above than let him go and thank him for his contribution to winning two League titles and 5 other trophys.

One of the things that keeps United ticking is knowing when to let go of players who have been great for them before it's too late. They let them go before they become a liability, like Desailly (Loved him) did with us in his final season. Right now is the best time to sell Carvs for that reason alone.

Paging Mr. Giggs, Paging Mr Scholes, paging Mr. Gary Neville. Desailly was what 36 his last year, so that leaves Carv 5 years before that "final season"

I really do not get how quick and easy and non-chalantly so many are often so willing to chuck aside a world class player or other quality player in Blue, with such little recognition to their abilities or what they have accomplished for Chelsea.

[okocha1]

Alternatively, one could point out that one of the strengths of United is not getting rid of older players (Giggs, Scholes) who still have alot to offer despite some periods of indifferent form.

Certainly but their roles have become increasingly "bit-part" than anything else. I'm not sure Riccy is willing to accept that next season. Even in the short-term it seems. Remember how he reacted when Gallas and JT were the first choice pair. Jose questioned his IQ that time.

That being said, I am all for keeping Riccy if he is willing to fight for his place.

[Kazuma]

As well as the fact that Carvalho is probably hardly at the stage of "too late". One poor season consisting of injuries does not mean that he should be sold. We should not be looking to sell him unless a very good offer is given, and I still think he is a much better defender than Alex - I just never feel safe with Alex at the back.

See how this season goes before we judge him off one poor season(which are due to injures) eh

Fair enough, but I'd rather we offload Carvs now while we can get a good price and use it on attackers, a position that we need some strength in.

As for Mancienne, I want him to stay as I think he's ready. My reasoning being that two poor games don't make a consistent point. If he keeps it up, sure let's put him as an RB or loan him (Even though I'm vehemently against it).

[okocha1]

BTW, Mancienne has started two games for England U-21 at centerback in the U-21 Euros. England have conceded two goals. Both were absolutely Mancienne's fault. He should not be at Chelsea this season, he should be out on loan cutting his teeth in the Premier League. We need to keep Carvalho.

He certainly is not good enough atm to play CB. Whats more is that its a physical thing, despite his good athleticism and leap he lacks the bulk or real height to play that Nesta/Rio Cb style. If he wants to look at Riccy or Cannavaro, he needs to much more aggressive in his defending and more more decisive in his 50/50 challenges. To many moments were he goes walk about or his outmuscled/jumped by bigger players.

As I've said before he will have his best chance at staking a real claim at Chelsea if he's playing at RB. Technically and physically he has the tools.