El Salvador as a multicultural nation (tracing back our origins)

[G5ive]

In soccer, racial barriers have been broken when it comes to certain national teams. If I'm not mistaken Mario Balotelli (18 years old) might be the first black player to join La Azzurri as soon as he's mature enough. He already plays for Inter.

We've seen it in Germany, Poland, Portugal, and if I'm missing another country where black players have been integrated to the national team, there too. :D

I don't live in ES, I live in New York, I know for a fact that Salvadorians are mixing race with blacks because for example models: Erika Mitchell and Claudia Verela are a mix of Salvadorian and Black.

Now, my question is, will ES ever see more black players in la selecta other than Shawn Martin? We had DeMello but he dissapeared :D

It is not an act of having a token black player in la selecta, but please don't tell me that in ES we're not up to date with race relations? Do we need a black player? It is not a question of needing a black player, it's a question of a salvadorian playing for la selecta that just happens to be black.

[YanksCatrachos23]

In soccer, racial barriers have been broken when it comes to certain national teams. If I'm not mistaken Mario Balotelli (18 years old) might be the first black player to join La Azzurri as soon as he's mature enough. He already plays for Inter.

We've seen it in Germany, Poland, Portugal, and if I'm missing another country where black players have been integrated to the national team, there too. :D

I don't live in ES, I live in New York, I know for a fact that Salvadorians are mixing race with blacks because for example models: Erika Mitchell and Claudia Verela are a mix of Salvadorian and Black.

Now, my question is, will ES ever see more black players in la selecta other than Shawn Martin? We had DeMello but he dissapeared :D

It is not an act of having a token black player in la selecta, but please don't tell me that in ES we're not up to date with race relations? Do we need a black player? It is not a question of needing a black player, it's a question of a salvadorian playing for la selecta that just happens to be black.

Personally, I feel we can never get past racism until we stop looking at people in terms of color. Its tough, but it is not impossible. Once we do that, color will not matter any more.

So although I dont root for ES, I will say that they should not just get black players on their team just because they are black players . I believe anyone should make a team if they are good enough, color should not affect those decisions.

[G5ive]

I will say that they should not just get black players on their team just because they are black players . I believe anyone should make a team if they are good enough, color should not affect those decisions.


Yeah I know, salvadorian players that happen to be black. Hey YanksCatrachos is there a lot of racism in Honduras against blacks?

[efijbe]

It's not that blacks aren't talented enough to play in la selecta, the problem is there isn't many blacks that live in el salvador. 90% are mestizos 9% are European white and 1% amerindian.

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia:D

"El Salvador is the only Central American country that has no visible African population because of its lack of an Atlantic coast and access to the slave trade that occurred along the east coast of the continent. In addition, General Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximiliano_Hernandez_Martinez) instituted race laws in 1930 that prohibited blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people) from entering the country; in the 1980s the law was removed"

It's kind of sad that the law wasn't removed til the 1980s.

[G5ive]

It's not that blacks aren't talented enough to play in la selecta, the problem is there isn't many blacks that live in el salvador. 90% are mestizos 9% are European white and 1% amerindian.

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia:D

"El Salvador is the only Central American country that has no visible African population because of its lack of an Atlantic coast and access to the slave trade that occurred along the east coast of the continent. In addition, General Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximiliano_Hernandez_Martinez) instituted race laws in 1930 that prohibited blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people) from entering the country; in the 1980s the law was removed"

It's kind of sad that the law wasn't removed til the 1980s.

But is racism a big problem in ES? True, there isn't a "black community" but I'm pretty sure there have been cases where black players from other countries play in the league and have probably wanted to play for la selecta.

[L.A.Firpo84]

Now, my question is, will ES ever see more black players in la selecta other than Shawn Martin? Do we need a black player? It is not a question of needing a black player, it's a question of a salvadorian playing for la selecta that just happens to be black.

Well are there any true Black Salvadorans besides Esnal & Shawn playing in our ES league..? I don't think so... Eventually we will see a few, I wouldnt doubt that more than a few Dark skinned people from other C.A. countries migrated to ES just like what happen with Shawn.

Do we need them... Not really. Does Argentina, Spain, Italy and some other countries need them, nope. Is really not necessary but everybody is welcome in our Selecta...

We should look more into developing young players, is all about skills not really what a certain race could bring to the table.

[YanksCatrachos23]

It's not that blacks aren't talented enough to play in la selecta, the problem is there isn't many blacks that live in el salvador. 90% are mestizos 9% are European white and 1% amerindian.

Here is an excerpt from wikipedia:D

"El Salvador is the only Central American country that has no visible African population because of its lack of an Atlantic coast and access to the slave trade that occurred along the east coast of the continent. In addition, General Maximiliano Hernandez Martinez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximiliano_Hernandez_Martinez) instituted race laws in 1930 that prohibited blacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people) from entering the country; in the 1980s the law was removed"

It's kind of sad that the law wasn't removed til the 1980s.

Wow, I hadnt known that. Better late then never I geuss. Apartheid in South Africa lasted longer so atleast you guys beat them

[G5ive]

Well are there any true Black Salvadorans besides Esnal & Shawn playing in our ES league..? I don't think so... Eventually we will see a few, I wouldnt doubt that more than a few Dark skinned people from other C.A. countries migrated to ES just like what happen with Shawn.

Do we need them... Not really. Does Argentina, Spain, Italy and some other countries need them, nope. Is really not necessary but everybody is welcome in our Selecta...

We should look more into developing young players, is all about skills not really what a certain race could bring to the table.

Yeah that's what I said, but salvadorian players that happen to be black. I'm not saying that la selecta needs to stick in black players. Spain has Marcos Senna, he happens to be black, Spain didn't put him in there be the token black player.

[R9Kevinr9]

Yeah that's what I said, but salvadorian players that happen to be black. I'm not saying that la selecta needs to stick in black players. Spain has Marcos Senna, he happens to be black, Spain didn't put him in there be the token black player.

Marcos Senna isn't spanish born though. The truth is, that in El Salvador black people don't really exist there is a very, very small population. Nowadays if people are good enough we let them play for us, we don't look at skin color really. Esnal is a black Salvadoran but he is no where near good enough to play. If there good they will play it's that simple.
Believe i wish El Salvador never ran out the black population. I think it makes a country look more beautiful because of the diversity anyway. But for now we only have Shawn and Williams. :)

[G5ive]

Marcos Senna isn't spanish born though. The truth is, that in El Salvador black people don't really exist there is a very, very small population. Nowadays if people are good enough we let them play for us, we don't look at skin color really. Esnal is a black Salvadoran but he is no where near good enough to play. If there good they will play it's that simple.
Believe i wish El Salvador never ran out the black population. I think it makes a country look more beautiful because of the diversity anyway. But for now we only have Shawn and Williams. :)

I agree with you. Who's Williams?

[efijbe]

William Reyes

[G5ive]

William Reyes

Ah ok, thanks

[Scientific-Guanaco]

No Carribean coast=No visible mulatto population. Its really that, regardless of that race law that was enacted in the 30s. We have black people in the country, but most are immigrants form Honduras or Nicaragua, and thats a very minor population. Though our bloodline can be traced back to African slaves, and you can tell by some Afro Salvis from their natural fros, dark skin, and facial features, but beyond that we probably wont be getting mulatto players.

If you look at Belize, they have the largest black population in Central America, and still cant get into the top tier countries in soccer or basbeall. Like others have said, it would be nice to have a larger population of blacks and mulattoes, not for sport purposes but simply for the beauty of diversity.

[G5ive]

I agree, the beauty of diversity down below.

Erika Mitchell-Salvadorian/Black

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee181/gplatero/45c3d78933108.jpg



Claudia Verela-Salvadorian/Haitian
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee181/gplatero/sexy-body-miami-hot-model-claudia-v.jpg


2 thumbs up for diversity :D

[el_cuscatleco]

2 thumbs up for diversity :D

When you said black, i though you ment darker skinned people like Martin, Reyes or to a greater extent Honduras' David Suazo or Panama's Felipe Baloy.

The women in thos pics aren't black. They are brown. If that's the type of diveristy you are looking for, then there is plenty of that in El Salvador already.

Now dark like Suazo or Baloy on the other hand is something that you'll struggle to find.

[G5ive]

When you said black, i though you ment darker skinned people like Martin, Reyes or to a greater extent Honduras' David Suazo or Panama's Felipe Baloy.

The women in thos pics aren't black. They are brown. If that's the type of diveristy you are looking for, then there is plenty of that in El Salvador already.

Now dark like Suazo or Baloy on the other hand is something that you'll struggle to find.

Yeah I meant like david Suazo black. What I meant by putting the pictures of those women was, that by mixing race that is what you get, interacially mixed beauties. They're half and half mix.

[el_cuscatleco]

Yeag I meant like david Suazo, I meant it as a race thing, not skin color.
The women in those pics are interacially mixed, half salvadorian and half black as in black race, not black skin.

Oh right, well in that case we should really change the title of this thread to "Mulatto Salvadorans in the national team", or something similar. The word black is kinda misleading. Or am i the only one that thought you ment black as in skin color? :rolleyes:

Also, this is an interesting topic and could be expanded to include all Salvadorans in general not just our footballers. As the person who made this thread, do you just want to keep it specifically about football or should we change it to include everyone?

[G5ive]

I guess you can include everyone.

[el_cuscatleco]

I guess you can include everyone.

Okay fair enough.

Then shall i change the thread title to "Salvadoran Mulattos". Or do you want to expand it even more and include all forms of races not just Mulattos? In which case we could call it something like "Muticultural El Salvador" or "El Salvador as a multicultural nation". What do you think?

[G5ive]

Okay fair enough.

Then shall i change the thread title to "Salvadoran Mulattos". Or do you want to expand it even more and include all forms of races not just Mulattos? In which case we could call it something like "Muticultural El Salvador" or "El Salvador as a multicultural nation". What do you think?

"El Salvador as a multicultural nation" that sounds good, hey man do whatever you want with the thread, you lead the way.