Today best coach of the World?

[El CHarro_NEgro....]

Discuss.

[astabooty]

carlos bianchi :-)

[Rusty_Shackleford]

In my opnion, I would have to say Carlos Bianchi. He has won a lot of titles.

[LordR]

Ottmar Hitzfeld and Arsene Wenger.

[flanoverseas]

Sven and Gus have done awfully well...Santini did well with Lyon before he took over the most talent in the world.

[musicl]

No one compares two Sir Alex Fergusion. A host of permiership titles, FA cups and a European Cup. He is considered the best manager of this generation.

[Excape Goat]

Sir Alex got choked when he handled the beckham and Ronaldino situation last summer. Or else he got points deducted.

[Fevernova99]

SAF didnt choke, he took a risk just like when he introduced the youth in the mid-90s and got rid of all his established veterans, except this time it didnt work out as well as that time as these young players are not rising up to the level he thought they would.

[astabooty]

this thread should be closed, it was answered after the 1st 2 replies.

[sinner78]

this thread should be closed, it was answered after the 1st 2 replies.

the coach who failed in europe and hasnt been tested at international level???
I dont think you can possibly be regarded as the worlds best coach just by having a good record in south american club football.
you must be having a laugh...

[jack the ripper]

I agree.

[Excape Goat]

SAF didnt choke, he took a risk just like when he introduced the youth in the mid-90s and got rid of all his established veterans, except this time it didnt work out as well as that time as these young players are not rising up to the level he thought they would.

In this case, your statement supported my post. He did something and the team collapsed as you mentioned. He mismanaged his best player and he left in anger. Beckham was not Allan Iverson who casued troubles within his club. He also fell to sign Ronaldinho as replacement because he mismanaged the deal. And the deal started with the player wanting to go and the club ready to sell.... it ended with PSG would never sell Ronaldinho to MU for any money. I am a businessman.... it will probably take a very dumb manager to mess a deal up liked this. After that, he had no backup plan. If that is not mismanagement, then what is.....

[sinner78]

Its true that fergusons recent deals have been poor.....For every Van nistelrooy you've got a forlan or a bellion.
Howard and ronaldo were good deals but the others????

[argentine soccer fan]

the coach who failed in europe and hasnt been tested at international level???
I dont think you can possibly be regarded as the worlds best coach just by having a good record in south american club football.
you must be having a laugh...

Sinner, you couldn't be more wrong. First of all, Bianchi didn't fail in Europe. At Roma he was the victim of a political power play and he never had a chance to do what he wanted with the team.

And being a coach at Boca Juniors is more of a challenge than just about any team in Europe. The pressure to succeed in Boca is tremendous, both from the fans, the media, and the front office. Plus, because of the power of the mighty Euro, you have to do it with a team that gets dismantled every year and has to be rebuilt from scratch.

So, Bianchi has challenges that go way beyond the challenges of the top teams in Europe. All a top European coach has to do is say, 'I want this or that player' and throw some Euros around. But to coach Boca Juniors you need to be much more creative.

Look at Boca's lineup which won the Argentine, Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups this year. They had only three players in their roster from the team that won the same triple crown three years earlier, and only one starter. (If there was even one. Did Barros Schelotto start against Real Madrid?)

Through it all, Boca remained a dinasty while he was coach, winning just about everything in spite of the constant changes in personnel. Before Bianchi, Boca hadn't won anything in about a decade. He came and they won everything. He took a year off, and Boca didn't win anything. He came back and they won everything again.

If there is anything more difficult than coaching Boca in Argentina, is being able to win consistently with a smaller team, like Velez Sarsfield. Yet with Bianchi, Velez also won everything, including the libertadores and intercontinental cup.

Laugh all you want, Sinner, but you are just displaying your ignorance about South American football. And if you are serious about somebody else being a better coach, then I'd like to hear you make an argument for whoever that person is.

[sinner78]

Sinner, you couldn't be more wrong. First of all, Bianchi didn't fail in Europe. At Roma he was the victim of a political power play and he never had a chance to do what he wanted with the team

Exactly ,coaches in top european clubs get less chance to do what they want with a team .Its instant success or you;re out and thats why its much harder in europe ....You can make all the excuses you want about the season at roma but the fact is he failed in that season...
In italy the coaches dont seem to have control over transfers...seems that the general managers buy the players even if the coaches dont always want a particular player..


And being a coach at Boca Juniors is more of a challenge than just about any team in Europe. The pressure to succeed in Boca is tremendous, both from the fans, the media, and the front office. Plus, because of the power of the mighty Euro, you have to do it with a team that gets dismantled every year and has to be rebuilt from scratch.

pressure??? Well having an expensive squad has its own pressures..
Boca have still got the pick of argentina's best players I reckon .
So one guy goes to europe so they replace them with another decent argie domestic player.

So, Bianchi has challenges that go way beyond the challenges of the top teams in Europe. All a top European coach has to do is say, 'I want this or that player' and throw some Euros around. But to coach Boca Juniors you need to be much more creative.

All the top sides are rich and powerful so you're playing against other rich and powerful teams in order to succeed.
Europe has the best club sides so its harder to suceed against higher calibre opposition .No way would any coach in europe be able to dominate the champions league like the way boca dominates the copa libertadores.it just aint possible...


Look at Boca's lineup which won the Argentine, Libertadores and Intercontinental Cups this year. They had only three players in their roster from the team that won the same triple crown three years earlier, and only one starter. (If there was even one. Did Barros Schelotto start against Real Madrid?)

Dont get started by the flaming intercontintal cup...that just isnt a prestigous trophy for european teams im afraid to say .

Through it all, Boca remained a dinasty while he was coach, winning just about everything in spite of the constant changes in personnel. Before Bianchi, Boca hadn't won anything in about a decade. He came and they won everything. He took a year off, and Boca didn't win anything. He came back and they won everything again.

If there is anything more difficult than coaching Boca in Argentina, is being able to win consistently with a smaller team, like Velez Sarsfield. Yet with Bianchi, Velez also won everything, including the libertadores and intercontinental cup.

Laugh all you want, Sinner, but you are just displaying your ignorance about South American football. And if you are serious about somebody else being a better coach, then I'd like to hear you make an argument for whoever that person is.


no doubt he is the daddy of south american club football...
Coaches in europe operate under much different conditions..
Id say coaches like lippi ,ferguson ,hitzfeld ,etc... are all quality coaches who have been at the top for a long time.

[musicl]

And being a coach at Boca Juniors is more of a challenge than just about any team in Europe.
What are you on?

[argentine soccer fan]

Do you think only in Europe it's instant success or you're out?

So, Sinner, you are saying, 'No way any coach in Europe would be able to dominate the way Boca does'. Well, Boca nor any other team ever dominated Libertadores. The closest thing was perhaps Independiente in the 70's.

Say, rather, no coach in Europe would be able to dominate the way BIANCHI dominates'. No coach in South America is able to dominate the way Bianchi dominates either. and he did it with Velez and with Boca.

Do you guys seriously think that it is easier to coach Boca than a top Euro team? I realize you don't follow our football, but you should know that Boca was virtually uncoachable for over a decade until Bianchi came. Because of the pressure, the coaches came and went. The team was described (aptly) as a cabaret.

Bianchi changed all that. He came in, and won immediately with what they had. He used the same team which had failed the previous year, with hardly any reinforcements.

Guys like Fergusson are proven winners, but I wonder how long they would last in Boca. At the very least, Bianchi deserves to be mentioned with them. But I think he is the best coach right now, period.

[Rusty_Shackleford]

I totally agree with Argentine soccer fan. It wouldnt be that hard to coach Manchester United or Bayern Munchen. Everyone always says that the talent in SA cant compare to the talent in SA, so why would it be so hard to a team that has the best talent? If euro teams are as good as a lot of people here claim to be, then I could probably coach Man U or Bayern.

[musicl]

I realize you don't follow our football, but you should know that Boca was virtually uncoachable for over a decade until Bianchi came. Because of the pressure, the coaches came and went. The team was described (aptly) as a cabaret.
Thats S.Americans problems in a nut shell, you dont give your coaches long enough to get it right. SAF was given 6 years at Man Utd before he got it right. I know in Spain its the same as you S.Americans, instant success or your out, (but Spain is a league of S.Americans) but alot of countries give their coaches time - you's should try it, it works!

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Manchester United is the richest club in the world. If it takes a guy six years to win something with the richest club in the world, then he isnt very good.

Mayby S.Americans dont give their coaches too much time because they play short seasons.