View Full Version : Costa Rica broke Wynne
spurgin
06 Jun 2009, 01:59 AM
Wynn got broken down on the right side over and over... no way he should be on the pitch come Saturday!
Dan Roudebush
06 Jun 2009, 02:04 AM
He looked... awkward.
But despite his errors, sometimes his awkward moves payed off.
With his pace he isn't out of the running yet,
TrueCrew
06 Jun 2009, 02:56 AM
He looked... awkward.
But despite his errors, sometimes his awkward moves payed off.
With his pace he isn't out of the running yet,
With Dolo and Hejduk potentially out, this is his chance. At Saprissa is a big ask for anyone that green in a Nat uniform (he and Torres both), and I would have gone with Spector.
Still, I rate Spector as a better CB than RB, so Wynne should still get a shot.
Other than Simek, we really don't have that many options. Freeman?
OWN(yewu)ED
06 Jun 2009, 03:46 AM
was excited watching his play in MLS, he was looking good at the start of the season.
clearly wasnt ready for this though, it was a one and done test. I think the Gold Cup was right at his niche, that would have been the spot to develop him. Due to injuries though he occupies a CC spot. Knowing what we know now, he shouldnt be ahead of Dolo, Dude, or Specs. But he's still developing as any MLS indications have shown. Could be a huge asset for us in 2014. It isnt like he is a stagnant waste of space like Beasley or Mastroeni. At least Wynne is showing clear signs of developing.
he has come a long way believe it or not, i commend him for that.
OWN(yewu)ED
06 Jun 2009, 03:49 AM
Other than Simek, we really don't have that many options. Freeman?
Simek is going to have a huge roll for this team once Dolo and Heydude are out of the picture. by my reckoning its between he and Spector as "the guy" at right back post 2010.
RevsRule
06 Jun 2009, 07:36 AM
With Dolo and Hejduk potentially out, this is his chance. At Saprissa is a big ask for anyone that green in a Nat uniform (he and Torres both), and I would have gone with Spector.
Still, I rate Spector as a better CB than RB, so Wynne should still get a shot.
Other than Simek, we really don't have that many options. Freeman?
Remember the name Kevin Alston. Better pace then Wynne and can attack. He's not quite ready for the full Nat yet but in our recent game against Toronto, he was much better then Wynne. I'm hoping he gets a call for the Gold Cup and long term, he's a better prospect then Wynne
supercooper
06 Jun 2009, 09:22 AM
Remember the name Kevin Alston. Better pace then Wynne and can attack.
Better pace than Wynne? Are you sure about that? That doesn't sound right.
uniteo
06 Jun 2009, 09:26 AM
I agree that he shouldn't be out there tonight, but hopefully he learned some lessons and if he never make3s it back on the field then one of the few positivves that could be taken from the game won't be realized.
WJMarx
06 Jun 2009, 09:37 AM
Remember the name Kevin Alston. Better pace then Wynne
WHile Wynne has been a lot less at RB than hoped for his pace is unquestioned. In addition to soccer, Wynne also lettered in track and field and broke school records in the 200m dash (21.87) and 400m dash (48.10).
Alston may or may not surpass Wynne's soccer exploits but pace, you are geeting carried away!!!!
johnh00
06 Jun 2009, 09:40 AM
Better pace than Wynne? Are you sure about that? That doesn't sound right.
That's because it isn't. He's fast, but nowhere near as fast as Wynne.
Cujo1126
06 Jun 2009, 10:00 AM
That's because it isn't. He's fast, but nowhere near as fast as Wynne.
In a rating out of 10 (10 being the fastest), Wynne's a 10. Not many players on a soccer pitch will be faster. Alston would probably be a 9.
In terms on quickness/acceleration, they're probably the same.
I personally think Alston has a brighter soccer future. That doesn't mean that he's better than Wynne right now.
MyHouse!
06 Jun 2009, 10:10 AM
I wouldn't imagine that Wynne is already done with the Nats.
His situation is similar to Tony Sanneh's 12 years ago. His first start was at right back in Saprissa. TS went on to a serviceable international career and for my money was the best player on our back line in the 2002 World Cup.
This isn't the first time MW was thrown into the fire (remember he started two years ago in the opening Cop America match against Argentina) but he hasn't seen a lot of time with the first team since. Those are tough caps...
So I don't think he's been broken. He'll continue to improve but he also has a lot of comp for that spot when everyone's healthy.
I still would have started Spector the other night, though and I blame Bradley more than anyone
camasterton
06 Jun 2009, 10:32 AM
Wynne is the new version of Hedjuk, except he's faster and crosses better. Experience is what he's lacking. The earlier career (and some later) of Hedjuk is littered with wtf outings. I'm giving all the newbies a pass and especially Wynne. That 4-3-3 was almost insanely lopsided up and away from Wynne. If Costa Rica's tactics were dictating that plan OK but it wasn't. Demsey was too far upfield and cutting inside to offer support, relief or options to Wynne and the three midfielders were Torres-LM, supporting Beasley Mastroeni-CM playing mainly to the left side of the field and Bradley-CM box to box through the center.
CR's tactic was to draw our RFB outside upfield, negating his 1 v 1 skills and putting him in positions to cover zones and positioning is not his strong suit. A better plan or an adjustment was needed.
I'm also calling BS on "Wynne's fault" on the second goal. 1)Wynne fronts his man correctly at the CR give and go. 2)Gooch is 50 yards!!! away from goal, on the wing fronting the play because-mainly 3)Mastroeni isn't there to do his part, (he's walking over and arrives too late) nor is Bradley or Dempsey there. 4)The CR giver blows by Gooch (you can't expect him to run with a speedster 50 yards from goal) 5) Bocanegra is so far left, you'd think he was playing left fullback. He can't race over in time to cut off Sirias, who has time to pick out any one of three guys because 6) still no Mastroeni to cover the center and 7) no Beasley picking up somebody in the box. Borges gets a sitter.
Adam Zebrowski
06 Jun 2009, 10:36 AM
i think hejduk will die out there on the pitch..
don't know wynne would...
although i think wynne needs matches like CR to evolve his game to a higher level...
dolo will be back in the mix, and hopefully so will hejduk tonight
IndividualEleven
06 Jun 2009, 10:37 AM
This game was more about the tactics than the players. I want to see these guys in a reasonable tactical posture and on grass before passing judgement.
DaPrince84
06 Jun 2009, 10:37 AM
even tho he looked bad, it was tough to just throw someone who has never played a WCQ match into an environment like Saprissa
gotta wonder why Bradley didnt play him earlier to get his feet wet... but then its Papa Bradley so he lacks sense,
Adam Zebrowski
06 Jun 2009, 10:41 AM
weather calls for rain tonight beginning mid day...
suspect a quicker surface unless it turns into a quagmire...
fancy passing might not be the way to go, so usa more direct approach will be more the norm
camasterton
06 Jun 2009, 10:50 AM
i think hejduk will die out there on the pitch..
don't know wynne would...
although i think wynne needs matches like CR to evolve his game to a higher level...
dolo will be back in the mix, and hopefully so will hejduk tonight
Top end speed guys often look like they're not trying as hard. There were quite a few times where Wynne raced back to cover. Not a once did I see HIM dogging it.
Cherundolo is gone for a while. Hopefully Hedjuk is fit. Spector, while I love him, is toasted, often by speed on the wings in the EPL. I'll take Wynne out there.
Adam Zebrowski
06 Jun 2009, 11:03 AM
dolo is expected back for the 2nd part of the hex...
hejduk, i think has more endurance with his speed, while wynne is quicker..
wynne a 400 meter type..hejduk the 800 meter guy..
i think hejduk's experience, doing the nasty little things, getting in the way, tugging on shirts..
however, with the rain tonight it'll be epl like weather...only warmer
Flipstar508
06 Jun 2009, 12:44 PM
If it wasn't for that 4-3-3 formation wynne wouldn't been caught out of position. with 3 midfielders losing the ball there was enough open space for the counter. every counter CR had atleast 5 players pushing forward with only 4, sometimes 3 defenders. Wynne was never in a positions to succeed so It wouldn't be fair to jude him IMO.