German Team - Team of Future!

[Mephistor]

Ok it's a little bit provocant but why not?!

1.With bad players the German NT has qualifyed for the last four big tournaments (WC 98, EC 00, WC 02, EC04) and was into quarterfinal 98 and in the final 02. Only with players like Ramelow, Wörns, Jeremies and so on.

2. Players like Kuranyi, Lahm, Hinkel (can play for U-21) Kehl, Friedrich, Freier, Ballack and Ernst are young enough to get better but also have international standard today.

3. Christoph Metzelder and Sebastian Deisler are on the way back and Deisler is stronger as before his illness. Also very young players from last U-21.

4. Many young german players (not older than 21/22 most 18 or 19) play in the Bundesliga. For example Bastian Schweinsteiger, Michael Delura, Lukas Podolski, Sahr Senesie, Piotr Trochowski, Mike Hanke, Benny Lauth, Görlitz, M. Lehmann, Christian Tiffert, Markus Feulner, Florian Kringe, Hanno Balitsch, Schlicke, Wiese, Madlung, Fathi, Chahed, Odonkor, Schulz, Preuß, Riether, Broich, Kluge, Gaede and Mertesacker and most of them are in the first team.
Hitzlesperger and Volz also playing in EPL.

5. The German U-21 ist the best German U-21 since 15/20 years (dominate at last the Georgian A-Team and had to win 5:0) and you all know what was 1990. ;p

For the WC 06 it could be to early but after this date you will wish not to play against Germany with your NT. ;p

[LordR]

I almost dont care who plays for germany, as long as Ballack, Kahn, Frings and Hamann are there. Because germany doesnt win because of its great players, but because of its winner mentality and fighting spirit.
We always were and will be succesful, and germany never had the best players (besides 72-76)

BTW: Why do you think that Ramelow, Wörns and Jeremies are bad players???

[Mephistor]

Thats right but hey:

But we had always (54-96) better players than Ramelow or Jeremies. For example Sammer was not brillant but he has a solid technique, was very good to understand the game and was the boss on field. Matthäus had dynamic and a good shot. Müller had the killer-instinct for shooting goals - I can continue but what quality have players like Ramelow?! None of these....they are slow, the ball is their enemy....

Edit: When i saw Wörns at the ball you think the ball is an egg and he has enough problems not to destroy it

[argentine soccer fan]

How is Sebastian Kehl doing? I was always impressed since the first time I saw that kid play, but I don't get to watch much Bundesliga.

[LordR]

How is Sebastian Kehl doing? I was always impressed since the first time I saw that kid play, but I don't get to watch much Bundesliga.
He was higly overrated. He is not that good like everyone has expected.
He has noch chance against the competition at his position. Hamann, Jeremies, Baumann and Ramelow are ahead of him, it will be hard for Kehl to get a place at the EC team.

[Excape Goat]

I also think that the German will rise. This team is too young for Euro 2004. Holland and the Czech Republic are the hot teams right now.... althrough the Czech Republic might have peaked at qualifying rounds. I have to see more of them before I know for sure. Germany is actually an unknown, young team..... definitely something not-expected from the normally mighty Germany. I actually see them as an outsider with a foot in than what people should expect them. So they might or might not make it to the 2nd round.


You also forget Robert Huth. And Jeremies was better before his injury.

[sinner78]

. Because germany doesnt win because of its great players, but because of its winner mentality and fighting spirit.
We always were and will be succesful, and germany never had the best players (besides 72-76)



How do you rate the 1954 team?? they didnt need the winning mentality ...a nice injection before the match sorted them .

btw - I have to say that Lahm looked impressive for stuttgart .

[MIGkiller]

The German "winning mentality" has only worked against teams like Holland, Hungary, Czech, Spain who by their turn don't seem to have that "winning mentality". The only time that Germany beat one of the superchampions of football (Brazil, Italy, Argentina..) in a final that I remember was in WC90, but then again you were in fact the best team of that tournament.

[TORPEDO]

The German "winning mentality" has only worked against teams like Holland, Hungary, Czech, Spain who by their turn don't seem to have that "winning mentality". The only time that Germany beat one of the superchampions of football (Brazil, Italy, Argentina..) in a final that I remember was in WC90, but then again you were in fact the best team of that tournament.
Yeah , they were the best in "90 , especialy Pearce and Waddle.

[LordR]

The German "winning mentality" has only worked against teams like Holland, Hungary, Czech, Spain who by their turn don't seem to have that "winning mentality". The only time that Germany beat one of the superchampions of football (Brazil, Italy, Argentina..) in a final that I remember was in WC90, but then again you were in fact the best team of that tournament.
Superchampions of football? Brazil yes, but Argentinia and Italy have won less than Germany. Germany is a bigger champion than them.

And the finals:

Final 1974- against Holland, who were then rated higher than the germans, because they played the most beautiful football

Final 1954- Hungary was then a absolute superpower in football, Germany was the big outsider.

Final 1990- Argentinia. Teams were equally strong.

The ECs:

96 - Czech Republic. No superpower, ok, but before Germany has beaten the hosts, the biggest losers in european football, England.

80 - belgium. Also no superpower, teams like Italy, England ans Spain didn't reach the final, so its their fault.

72 - UdSSR. They were strong at that time.


BTW: Germany has more winner mentality than any other team in Europe.
Why? Because Germany has won more than any other team in europe.

[sinner78]

Superchampions of football? Brazil yes, but Argentinia and Italy have won less than Germany. Germany is a bigger champion than them.

And the finals:

Final 1974- against Holland, who were then rated higher than the germans, because they played the most beautiful football

Final 1954- Hungary was then a absolute superpower in football, Germany was the big outsider.

Final 1990- Argentinia. Teams were equally strong.

The ECs:

96 - Czech Republic. No superpower, ok, but before Germany has beaten the hosts, the biggest losers in european football, England.

80 - belgium. Also no superpower, teams like Italy, England ans Spain didn't reach the final, so its their fault.

72 - UdSSR. They were strong at that time.


BTW: Germany has more winner mentality than any other team in Europe.
Why? Because Germany has won more than any other team in europe.


1954 == drugs

[LordR]

1954 == drugs
Nothing is proved and even if it would be that, it was not illegal and i am sure that many other teams used it, too.
You english just cant bear that you have not won anything, besides 66 and that germany always was more succesful. I as a german also could complain that the wembley-goal 66 was a regular goal and that germany should have 4 WC titels instead of 3, but i dont do it, because who cares? We have 3 WC titels and we grant you the one in your home country, because it was your only succes in world football.

[sinner78]

Nothing is proved and even if it would be that, it was not illegal and i am sure that many other teams used it, too.
You english just cant bear that you have not won anything, besides 66 and that germany always was more succesful. I as a german also could complain that the wembley-goal 66 was a regular goal and that germany should have 4 WC titels instead of 3, but i dont do it, because who cares? We have 3 WC titels and we grant you the one in your home country, because it was your only succes in world football.

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Because we never did any drugs....a big disadvantage.

funny that you jokers assume its 100% certain that you would have won 66 if our third goal hadnt stood.
the score would still have been 2-2 and far from certain that you clowns would have won...
We were at home so it likely we would have won anyway...

[TORPEDO]

Superchampions of football? Brazil yes, but Argentinia and Italy have won less than Germany. Germany is a bigger champion than them.

And the finals:

Final 1974- against Holland, who were then rated higher than the germans, because they played the most beautiful football

Final 1954- Hungary was then a absolute superpower in football, Germany was the big outsider.

Final 1990- Argentinia. Teams were equally strong.

The ECs:

96 - Czech Republic. No superpower, ok, but before Germany has beaten the hosts, the biggest losers in european football, England.

80 - belgium. Also no superpower, teams like Italy, England ans Spain didn't reach the final, so its their fault.

72 - UdSSR. They were strong at that time.


BTW: Germany has more winner mentality than any other team in Europe.
Why? Because Germany has won more than any other team in europe.


1974 - got lucky with that crap penalty , and ton's o'missed shots. You should've lost to Poland as you were may 5th best tournament's team.
May I remind you a 1-0 loss to EAST GERMANY courtesy of Mr. Hot Water heself - Sparvasser.

1954 - Puskas was hurt , drugs , Hungary handed you their ass 8-3 earlier.

1990 - Argentina was strong - WTF are you smoking , they killed Italy und Brasil with 2 great passes. England wiped the field with you for 90 minutes with Wright and Gazza playing on fumes. ALSO THAT RIJKARD MISERY , Voeller shouldda been gone for the tourney.

In the EC's you beat crap , saw every one o'them , and got beaten by crap often , worse of all , with exception of Netser in 72 , no player ever stood out.

[Excape Goat]

Yeah , they were the best in "90 , especialy Pearce and Waddle.

I thought that they were the best in WC 1990. None of the super teams performed well in that WC. England basically played one good match.... that was against Germany. They barely made it to the second round.... needed a last second strike to beat Belgium and should have not make it past Cameroon. Italy was the only team that did okay at the same WC, but they had too many narrow victory against minor teams -- USA, Austria and Ireland. Brazil.... every Brazilian fans were upset at their performance. No need to explain why they were not the best team. Argentina..... hmmm, almost gone in the first round!!!! 2nd round, 3rd round, the smei-final.

West Germany, on the other hand, dominated in the first round and beat Holland in the match of the tournament. The game against Czech Republic and England was not up to their 1990 standard. I would not say the Germans played poorly on the two matches. They just did not destroy them liked they did in other matches.

[LordR]

1974 - got lucky with that crap penalty , and ton's o'missed shots. You should've lost to Poland as you were may 5th best tournament's team.
May I remind you a 1-0 loss to EAST GERMANY courtesy of Mr. Hot Water heself - Sparvasser.

1954 - Puskas was hurt , drugs , Hungary handed you their ass 8-3 earlier.

1990 - Argentina was strong - WTF are you smoking , they killed Italy und Brasil with 2 great passes. England wiped the field with you for 90 minutes with Wright and Gazza playing on fumes. ALSO THAT RIJKARD MISERY , Voeller shouldda been gone for the tourney.

In the EC's you beat crap , saw every one o'them , and got beaten by crap often , worse of all , with exception of Netser in 72 , no player ever stood out.
I don't think you're right, but ok.
It is absolutely normal that there are some lucky victories or bad losses at a tournament, also for great teams. Its normal, no team can only have good games at a WC or EC, not even Germany. But guess what? I don't give a ********** about that, because Germany is by far the most succesful team in Europe and the 2nd most succesful team in the world. And that is what counts, not losses against loser teams.

[TORPEDO]

I don't think you're right, but ok.
It is absolutely normal that there are some lucky victories or bad losses at a tournament, also for great teams. Its normal, no team can only have good games at a WC or EC, not even Germany. But guess what? I don't give a ********** about that, because Germany is by far the most succesful team in Europe and the 2nd most succesful team in the world. And that is what counts, not losses against loser teams.

Most successful ever , or most successful right now ?

BTW - you won 3 WC's - 54 , 74 , 90 ;
Italy has won 3 also - 34 , 38 , 82 ;

you've won 3 euros to their 1 ; but.... Euros only started in 1960 , while Italy's glory days were before WW2 , and while British teams did not participate in WC before 1950.
If you look at club football - Italy has been more successful than you ,while Spain and England have better results also.
So I am not sure that your statement is correct , but at least I am putting in the facts , vs. yours " I don't think so".
To me football is entertainment , first ; and a vehicle to satisfy an ego ( need to win ) second .
German teams , I do not find them entertaining to the point that I can not watch Bundesliga , Mexican Championship either.


PS - I do not ********speak outside of WR's.

[LordR]

Most successful ever , or most successful right now ?

BTW - you won 3 WC's - 54 , 74 , 90 ;
Italy has won 3 also - 34 , 38 , 82 ;

you've won 3 euros to their 1 ; but.... Euros only started in 1960 , while Italy's glory days were before WW2 , and while British teams did not participate in WC before 1950.
If you look at club football - Italy has been more successful than you ,while Spain and England have better results also.
So I am not sure that your statement is correct , but at least I am putting in the facts , vs. yours " I don't think so".
To me football is entertainment , first ; and a vehicle to satisfy an ego ( need to win ) second .
German teams , I do not find them entertaining to the point that I can not watch Bundesliga , Mexican Championship either.

Its not about "results" (dont know exactly what you mean by it), it is about succeses and titels. And so Germany is by far the most succesful team in Europe (Italys titels were long, long ago), i can't understand how it can be so hard to apprechiate this fact.

BTW: You also have to take the reached finals into consideration.
Germany reached 7 WC and 5 EC Finals.

[TORPEDO]

If you discount long , long ago - then take away everything but last 6-10 years , and you got nothing.
If you start splitting hairs and look at the finals , look at Club titles also.
Entertainment vs. result - you not getting it - not surprising.

You want to know how much I do not care for german footaball , I'll be in Portugal , have 4 tickets for Germany - Czech , and won't go to the game , I'd rather see Italy - Bolgaria , and I'm not a fan of either of those 2 .