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george parry
26 May 2009, 02:38 PM
:confused:Will someone please answer the following questions. 1) what shape is the ball. 2) what shape is the PENALTY SPOT. 3) who many rules are there.
1) spherical
2) 9 in. circle
3) Rules? RULES?!? We don't need no stinkin' rules!!! ... but there are 17 Laws (XVII for the old-timers ;) ).
george parry
26 May 2009, 03:04 PM
Thank you. I am not too sure about the penalty spot . The law says it is a penalty mark , which can be a spot, circle, cross,square, or any other sign. Refer to LAW14. Still 2 out of 3 is not bad.
AlsoRan
26 May 2009, 04:20 PM
I give him 3 out of 3 and extra credit for the 9 inches.
http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/?p=916
oldmanreferee
26 May 2009, 04:38 PM
:confused:Will someone please answer the following questions. 1) what shape is the ball. 2) what shape is the PENALTY SPOT. 3) who many rules are there.
answers 1) spherical 2)a dot on the spot no size no dimension 3) 17 laws plus 18 common sense
intechpc
26 May 2009, 05:41 PM
...extra credit for the 9 inches.
Heh heh, that's what she said. :D
Sorry guys (and ladies) I just couldn't resist.
Thank you. I am not too sure about the penalty spot . The law says it is a penalty mark , which can be a spot, circle, cross,square, or any other sign. Refer to LAW14. Still 2 out of 3 is not bad.Nothing about the size or shape of the mark in Law 14; the field markings are described in Law 1.
Honestly did not realise the 9 in. circle had been removed from the LotG.
YLSNED
We can find no information on an actual specified size for the center mark or center spot. One sees different sized center marks all over the world. It is simply a convenience for the placement of the kick-off and its size makes absolutely no difference.I'd disagree that the size of the "mark" makes no difference. Given a 2 ft. line there's significant leeway for a kicker to place the ball - and we do let the kicker place it.
I give him 3 out of 3 and extra credit for the 9 inches.
Thanks. I figured any EC would be for the Roman numerals. ;)
Gary V
26 May 2009, 08:29 PM
Honestly did not realise the 9 in. circle had been removed from the LotG.Does anyone have a document that specifies a 9" mark? The old 1996 Laws (pre the Great Condensation) say, "A suitable mark shall be made within each penalty−area, 12 yard from the mid−point of the goal−line, measured along an undrawn line at right−angles thereto. These shall be the penalty−kick marks."
george parry
27 May 2009, 11:32 AM
:)It is very interesting in the replies given. I suggest that LAW 14 is studied. Keep the replies coming in.
bluedevils
27 May 2009, 11:47 AM
:)It is very interesting in the replies given. I suggest that LAW 14 is studied. Keep the replies coming in.
I'm trying to figure out your 'angle' with this thread. It seems to have a 'I am smarter than everyone else' flavor.
intechpc
27 May 2009, 12:18 PM
:)It is very interesting in the replies given. I suggest that LAW 14 is studied. Keep the replies coming in.
Really? What does Law 14 have to do with your questions?
Question 1: The ball - covered in Law 2
Question 2: Field Markings - covered in Law 1
Question 3: "Who many rules are there" - A question that makes no sense at all, however assuming the question was meant to be "How many rules are there" it's still an idiotic question because this game is governed by Laws not Rules. Of course maybe you meant rules as to refer to measurements, in which case this would also be covered under Law 1.
And Bluedevils as far as his angle, it's what it's been in his few other posts since joining. He's quite clearly a bored young lad from across the pond who derives some perverse joy from initiating arguments on internet forums.
AlsoRan
27 May 2009, 01:33 PM
Actually, I suspect he is a bored older lad from across the pond and is in fact George Parry. (Ex Premier League Referee, FA Licenced Referee Instructor, Chairman of the Liverpool County Football Combination League), according to http://www.footballreferee.org/web/liverpool/index.php?sit=contact.htm
intechpc
27 May 2009, 02:15 PM
Actually, I suspect he is a bored older lad from across the pond and is in fact George Parry. (Ex Premier League Referee, FA Licenced Referee Instructor, Chairman of the Liverpool County Football Combination League), according to http://www.footballreferee.org/web/liverpool/index.php?sit=contact.htm
If the OP is who they claim to be (a concept I have serious difficulty believing) then I'm not sure what is more disappointing: 1. that a person with such credentials would behave in such an adolescent fashion as this poster has in his short time on this board or 2. that a person with such credentials wouldn't know that Law 1 governs field markings and that our sport is governed by Laws not rules.
Justin Z
27 May 2009, 03:06 PM
:confused:Will someone please answer the following questions. 1) what shape is the ball. 2) what shape is the PENALTY SPOT. 3) who many rules are there.
I think the answers he was actually looking for are as follows:
1. Oblong spheroid
2. It's in the shape of a line, normally penalties are marked off from the line of scrimmage. Unless you meant the penalty flag, then it's shaped like a flag!
3. Depends on if you're talking about high school, college, or NFL rules.
I get the impression he was surprised that Americans would even get two out of three (or three out of three, in reality).
george parry
28 May 2009, 06:58 AM
To blue devils, If you had studiedLAW 14 ,you would have been familiar with the factPENALTY KICKS are taken from (the PENALTY MARK), nothing about "spot ,circle or any pacific shape. This also relates to LAW 1 The Field of Play and the CENTRE MARK. I am a senior assessor and mentor and I am expected to know these things or are the LAWS in the U.S.A different to the rest of the world???. Your comments please.
george parry
28 May 2009, 07:02 AM
I think the answers he was actually looking for are as follows:
1. Oblong spheroid
2. It's in the shape of a line, normally penalties are marked off from the line of scrimmage. Unless you meant the penalty flag, then it's shaped like a flag!
3. Depends on if you're talking about high school, college, or NFL rules.
I get the impression he was surprised that Americans would even get two out of three (or three out of three, in reality).
To Justin Z, please read my reply given to Blue devils and you might learn something.
george parry
28 May 2009, 07:16 AM
TO ALSO RAN, I notice that you have got my details from FOOTBALLREFEREE site . Well done now study the LAWS OF ASSOCIATION FOOTBALL and you might learn something. George.
george parry
28 May 2009, 07:23 AM
To intech p.c. Read the quetion and answers given properly and in full and you will understand what I am aiming at . George.
Emmet Kipengwe
28 May 2009, 07:40 AM
To blue devils, If you had studiedLAW 14 ,you would have been familiar with the factPENALTY KICKS are taken from (the PENALTY MARK), nothing about "spot ,circle or any pacific shape. This also relates to LAW 1 The Field of Play and the CENTRE MARK. I am a senior assessor and mentor and I am expected to know these things or are the LAWS in the U.S.A different to the rest of the world???. Your comments please.
You have a peculiar way of teaching people, if that is what you're attempting to do. Do you really think that knowing the exact wording of what the shape of the ball is will make us better refs?
I have something to teach you. The word you are looking for that is bolded is "specific", not "pacific".
PVancouver
28 May 2009, 07:59 AM
To blue devils, If you had studiedLAW 14 ,you would have been familiar with the factPENALTY KICKS are taken from (the PENALTY MARK), nothing about "spot ,circle or any pacific shape. This also relates to LAW 1 The Field of Play and the CENTRE MARK. I am a senior assessor and mentor and I am expected to know these things or are the LAWS in the U.S.A different to the rest of the world???. Your comments please.
A standard shape should be defined in the Laws for these marks. I would choose 9" filled circles.