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Big Soccer Member
24 May 2009, 02:40 PM
Decent season but not one that will live long in the memory. There was never that much of a title race after January, the relegation dogfight turned out to be weeks and weeks of complete mediocrity (as opposed to the escapes of West Brom, Portsmouth, West Ham and Fulham in the last 4 years), and after Villa collapsed the race for European race was all but over. There were some good games, good goals, quality play and decent off field drama, but none more so than in any other year.
Season Rating:6/10
EvanJ
24 May 2009, 07:28 PM
Not that there's a difference between 18th and 20th, but last season last place was determined early and this season last place was determined the last day on the goal differential tiebreaker.
Hull, Wigan and Burnley will all be in the Premier League next season, but Newcastle won't. How amazing is that?
polska26
25 May 2009, 04:57 PM
Hull, Wigan and Burnley will all be in the Premier League next season, but Newcastle won't. How amazing is that?I have no idea where you have been the last 5 years but this will be wigan's 5 straight season in premier league
Big Soccer Member
25 May 2009, 05:10 PM
I have no idea where you have been the last 5 years but this will be wigan's 5 straight season in premier league
The point is that they have always been known as a 3rd or 4th tier club and Newcastle a 1st tier.
The point is that they have always been known as a 3rd or 4th tier club and Newcastle a 1st tier.
Exactly. All of Hull, Wigan and Burnley have played at the fourth level in the last 25 years, and in Wigan's case they were playing in non-league football in the '70's. To have all of them in the Premier League, but the third best supported team relegated is quite remarkable.
RichardL
26 May 2009, 08:43 AM
Exactly. All of Hull, Wigan and Burnley have played at the fourth level in the last 25 years, and in Wigan's case they were playing in non-league football in the '70's. To have all of them in the Premier League, but the third best supported team relegated is quite remarkable.
all three have played in the 4th tier much more recently than that - Hull and Wigan within a decade. Burnley had to win their last game of the season in 1987 to avoid dropping out of the football league entirely.
Harry Boulton
26 May 2009, 11:05 AM
Decent season but not one that will live long in the memory.
depends entirely on who you support, doesn't it?
For me personally it could be one of the best seasons of my life, if not the best?
If we lose tomorrow, then it will still go down as the season we finally caught up with Liverpool on domestic honours...............
The Frederick
26 May 2009, 04:56 PM
If we lose tomorrow, then it will still go down as the season we finally caught up with Liverpool on domestic honours...............
Caught up? You've got eleven, we have none. You're chasing a non-existent rabbit.
Harry Boulton
29 May 2009, 10:56 AM
Caught up? You've got eleven, we have none.
Liverpool have 18 Football League titles (old first division). Manchester United have 18 Football league title (8 old first division, 11 Premier Leagues).
Liverpool have 14 domestic trophies (7 FA Cup, 7 League Cup) Manchester United have 14 domestic trophies (11 FA Cup, 3 League Cup).
The Frederick
30 May 2009, 08:42 PM
Liverpool have 18 Football League titles (old first division). Manchester United have 18 Football league title (8 old first division, 11 Premier Leagues).
Liverpool have 14 domestic trophies (7 FA Cup, 7 League Cup) Manchester United have 14 domestic trophies (11 FA Cup, 3 League Cup).
First Division doesn't count, they're worthless.
Gandalf The Red
30 May 2009, 09:24 PM
First Division doesn't count, they're worthless.
why is that?
this guy sounds like a 5 year old
Matt Clark
31 May 2009, 01:11 AM
First Division doesn't count, they're worthless.
At risk of becoming involved in arguably the most tedious aspect of the Liverpool - United rivalry, why are they worthless? I mean, perhaps you're being existentialist here, but in that context everything is worthless - United's latest Premiership crown is worthless, because it's gone, it's done.
Or are we saying that only trophies won since the Premiership was instituted are not "worthless"? That would do some quite radical things to the record books. Don't tell Nottingham Forest fans, for a start. In fact, it would do some quite radical things to the practice of even having record books.
leg_breaker
31 May 2009, 09:08 AM
Rupert Murdoch invented football.
The Frederick
31 May 2009, 10:50 PM
At risk of becoming involved in arguably the most tedious aspect of the Liverpool - United rivalry, why are they worthless? I mean, perhaps you're being existentialist here, but in that context everything is worthless - United's latest Premiership crown is worthless, because it's gone, it's done.
Or are we saying that only trophies won since the Premiership was instituted are not "worthless"? That would do some quite radical things to the record books. Don't tell Nottingham Forest fans, for a start. In fact, it would do some quite radical things to the practice of even having record books.
Only Premier League-era titles count now. First Division is amateur in comparison. It's like Spain going "We won like a thousand Euro Championships", when in reality, they've won two actual Euros and about a trillion youth Euros.
Harry Boulton
01 Jun 2009, 02:10 AM
So by that theory, Manchester United have only won 11 leagie titles, 2 European Cups, 4 FA Cups and only ever had one manager..............
Kazuma
01 Jun 2009, 02:17 AM
Ignore him as it's clearly Rupert Murdoch in disguise.
Anyway, the season was good in patches. Best example being Hull's run where they beat Arsenal and scored three goals on Man United at Old Trafford.
Matt Clark
01 Jun 2009, 03:41 AM
Only Premier League-era titles count now. First Division is amateur in comparison. It's like Spain going "We won like a thousand Euro Championships", when in reality, they've won two actual Euros and about a trillion youth Euros.
Ok, so you're an imbecile. Thanks for helping us get that established early on. We could have wasted time on all sorts of benign "benefit of the doubt" activities.
If it's OK with you, the adults will crack on with the conversation now. Let us know when you need a wipe or new crayons or whatever.
Anyway, the season was good in patches. Best example being Hull's run where they beat Arsenal and scored three goals on Man United at Old Trafford.
Yeah, it had a purple patch around November time. And it was mildly entertaining around the March period. I thought Aston Villa's run was a good point of the season too, albeit they ran out of steam at a fairly predictable juncture.
Harry Boulton
01 Jun 2009, 05:19 AM
I thought Aston Villa's run was a good point of the season too, albeit they ran out of steam at a fairly predictable juncture
It's been a funny season where Villa are concerned.
To begin with they looked fantastic. Laursen was a collosus at the back, Young and Agbonlahor were dynamic in attack and they looked to have something quite special going up until January/February time. They wrere, for a time, a genuine threat to the established order and looked like they might pip Arsenal to 4th spot.
But Young and Agbonlahor's form dipped and coincided with Laursens injury and Villa's season nose-dived quicker than a doodle-bug. I think they went 12 games wihtout a win, or something similar, just as Arsenals form picked up with the arrival of Arshavin and from there they ended up finishing 6th - 10 points adrift of Arsenal in 4th and a point behind Everton.
Disappointing as I thought they'd cracked it. Heskey scored on his debut and it all looked to be going swimmingly, but now they've got to find a replacement for Laursen and try and close the gap on the rest.
RichardL
01 Jun 2009, 08:48 AM
Only Premier League-era titles count now. First Division is amateur in comparison. It's like Spain going "We won like a thousand Euro Championships", when in reality, they've won two actual Euros and about a trillion youth Euros.
Ah, I see now.
Clearly, it's much more difficult for the likes of Arsenal or Man Utd to win the league now, when they are all but guaranteed a top 4 finish, than it was previously when more clubs could compete.