goalie - possession - punting at edge of box

[ignatz]

Originally posted by faizalenu
There is a difference between "possession" and "handling the ball".

"Possession" is a term that is mostly used to protect the keeper. This keeps players from charging the keeper until the punt is complete, not just until it leaves his hands.

"Handling" in just what it says it is.

==> You can have possession without handling

CASE CLOSED.

If memory serves, Jaime Moreno of DC United got a red card last year for going for the ball after it left the keeper's hands but before the keeper punted it. The ball was in the air at the edge of the area and Jaime, who was next to the keeper, swung a foot up and got it first.

To those of us in the stands still rather new to the game, it was all a mystery. The explanation from more experienced fans around us was "dangerous play." The assumption seems to have been -- contrary to what has been said about possession -- that once the ball was in the air it was fair game as long as it could be gone after safely.

I hope you refs don't mind us non-refs poaching on your threads. Its a way for us older newcomers who never played the game to learn more about it.

[IASocFan]

Originally posted by ignatz


If memory serves, Jaime Moreno of DC United got a red card last year for going for the ball after it left the keeper's hands but before the keeper punted it. The ball was in the air at the edge of the area and Jaime, who was next to the keeper, swung a foot up and got it first.
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I hope you refs don't mind us non-refs poaching on your threads. Its a way for us older newcomers who never played the game to learn more about it.

Welcome to the forum. All those who are interested in the laws and referees are welcome. And behave appropriately.

I can't see giving a red card for the activities described above. A yellow would be appropriate.

[whipple]

Originally posted by ignatz


The explanation from more experienced fans around us was "dangerous play." The assumption seems to have been -- contrary to what has been said about possession -- that once the ball was in the air it was fair game as long as it could be gone after safely.


Interfering with the keeper returning the ball to play is misconduct. The player would be cautioned and shown a yellow card. If it was a second caution, it might have been a red. Alternatively, if it was violent, it might be punished as serious foul play, and then the player would be sent-off and shown a red.

The ball is never fair game, until it is no longer in the keepers posession.

[nsa]

Interfering with the keeper returning the ball to play is misconduct.Interfering with the keeper returning the ball to play may be misconduct. The caution is not mandatory.

This is one of the reasons that the IFK was added for preventing the 'keeper from releasing the ball into play, so that you don't have to caution the miscreant.

[MPJ334]

they're got more experience than i do, which is y i read...i have 2 things to say a)goalies play hockey, soccer has Goal keepers or 'keepers (:D) b)I HATE ALABAMA! I WISH I LIVED IN ma W/ SCOTT AND WHIPPLE!

[Scott Zawadzki]

Originally posted by MPJ334
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Scott

[gildarkevin]

Originally posted by whipple


Interfering with the keeper returning the ball to play is misconduct. The player would be cautioned and shown a yellow card. If it was a second caution, it might have been a red. Alternatively, if it was violent, it might be punished as serious foul play, and then the player would be sent-off and shown a red.

The ball is never fair game, until it is no longer in the keepers posession.

The Moreno sending off in question was a 2nd yellow for interfering with the keeper returning the ball to play.

IIRC, the US Open Cup game in question also saw a somewhat questionable sending off of Etcheverry. It was pretty much the nadir of DC's season last year (like this year got any better) and can pretty much be summed up by the fact that Moreno didn't realize he was already carrying a yellow and in fact, wouldn't have tried to vent his frustration in that manner had he known -- pretty much agreeing in his comments that he deserved a yellow on that one.