Real Madrid vs Albacete [R]

[bkn0528]

Crucial to get these points in an away game against a struggler. Beckham and Zidane are back, Beckham not 100% but is suspended for next week's CL match in Monaco anyway. Helguera ruled out with a groin strain, will probably be replaced by Mejia.

Ronaldo and Roberto Carlos have done a lot of travelling in the last week. Hopefully they aren't jet lagged.

[NapoliSupporter]

Crucial to get these points in an away game against a struggler.

For the record, Albacete is not struggling. Here's the in-form table (last 6 games):


1. ( 4) Barcelona 6 6 0 0 13 - 5 18
2. (13) Zaragoza 6 4 2 0 11 - 4 14
3. (15) Albacete 6 4 1 1 7 - 3 13
3. ( 8) Malaga 6 4 1 1 7 - 3 13
5. ( 2) Valencia 6 4 0 2 14 - 4 12
6. ( 1) R.Madrid 6 3 2 1 17 - 11 11

[bkn0528]

For the record, Albacete is not struggling. Here's the in-form table (last 6 games):


1. ( 4) Barcelona 6 6 0 0 13 - 5 18
2. (13) Zaragoza 6 4 2 0 11 - 4 14
3. (15) Albacete 6 4 1 1 7 - 3 13
3. ( 8) Malaga 6 4 1 1 7 - 3 13
5. ( 2) Valencia 6 4 0 2 14 - 4 12
6. ( 1) R.Madrid 6 3 2 1 17 - 11 11

whoops! they are in 15th place, 6 points off the drop. Not bad for a newly promoted side but still, this is a game that Madrid should win.

[bkn0528]

18 min - goal, Roberto Carlos, free kick edge of the box after Ronaldo taken down.

[bkn0528]

67 min - Borja for Guti

70 min - goal, Figo, off rebound of Roberto Carlos freekick. apparently question of handball.

[bkn0528]

80 min - Solari on for Zidane

80 min - goal Albacete (Parri)

88 min - Nunez for Ronaldo - sounds like Figo slid over to forward and Nunez playing in place of Figo on the wing.

Full time: Real Madrid 2 - Albacete 1. 3 necessary points.

[bkn0528]

Quieroz did something different in this game - he took Guti off in the second half when Madrid seemed to be losing control of the midfield, and replaced him with Borja, a defensive midfielder. Shocking!

also, looks like the second goal was awarded to Roberto Carlos (must've just deflected off Figo).

[afgrijselijkheid]

i've heard a lot of griping over recent months from la liga sides that real get a refereeing advantage and i'll tell you what.... after seeing the figo "goal" and watching real-monaco, i'm just about ready to believe it - how could that be missed!!!!

just to be clear, i dont believe the merengues get extra whistles in their favor... i just think some officials swallow their whistle when it comes time to call a foul on real

[Excape Goat]

Quieroz did something different in this game - he took Guti off in the second half when Madrid seemed to be losing control of the midfield, and replaced him with Borja, a defensive midfielder. Shocking!

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Did it work?

[MadridForever]

i've heard a lot of griping over recent months from la liga sides that real get a refereeing advantage and i'll tell you what.... after seeing the figo "goal" and watching real-monaco, i'm just about ready to believe it - how could that be missed!!!!

just to be clear, i dont believe the merengues get extra whistles in their favor... i just think some officials swallow their whistle when it comes time to call a foul on real


I think that you must be kidding, or you are a troll searching discussion or simply you should stop to visit so frecuently coffe shops ;) . Becuase what you have said is a total nonsense.

If you would have seen la liga in the last times, you would have seen that Real Madrid has had a great number of decisions against. I'm going to waste my time and i'm going to tell you 6:

1. Racing Santander vs Real Madrid

Clear penalty to Nuñez(RM player) in Racing area when he was going to score. Mejia (Real Madrid) saw a red card for a four where he touch the ball, Real Madrid played the last 15 minutes with 10 players. The game ended 1 - 1. We should have won.

2. Valencia - Deportivo

The refs whisle a penalty to Valencia that was 1 meter outside the area. The game was 0-0 and that penalty change the game that finally won Valencia 3-0. Many Deportivo players said that was a rip-off.


3. Celta - Valencia

Minute 91 valencia was wining 1-0, a CLEAR penalty of Sanchez (Valencia player) to Jesuli (Celta player). Celta player protest against the Ref that left the game continue and valencia scored the 2-0. That game should have ended 1-1.


4. Barcelona - Real Sociedad.

In the 3rd minute of play Gabri (Barcelona player) hold Aranburu (Real Sociedad player) by his jersey when he was alone in the area and he was going to score. Nothing happened.

5. Barcelona - Real Sociedad.
In the same game in the last minutes of the game, Oleger (Barcelona player) holds Kovasevic by his jersey inside Barcelona area. Nothing happened. Barcelona won that game 1-0 and they should have lost the game.

6. Villareal - Barcelona.

That happened yesterday. In the last minutes of the game Davids(Barcelona player) made a clear foul to Ballesteros in Barcelona Area. The ref saw the foul but he said that was outside the area. It was clearly inside. The game ended 0 - 0. Villarreal should have won the game.


We should a biggest distance to Barcelona and Valencia, but we don't cry like happen with other supporters/teams.


About the play of yerterday, Roberto Carlos shot a free kick and the ball touch in Figo, tuning off the ball. It isn't clear if the ball touch in Figo chest or in his arm, but if it would have touched in his arm, he has his arm close to his body and it was totally unvoluntary. Everybody with a minimum knowledge of soccer know that. Neither Ferrando (Albacete manager) or Albacete players have spoke about the play because they know that in the case that Figo would have touched the ball with the arm would have been totally unvoluntary after one of the very hard shots of Roberto Carlos.


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Well, speaking about the game good first half of Real Madrid, where Real Madrid had the most clear chances of goal. Two of Ronaldo (in one of them the ball burst, Beckham give the burst ball to the public), one of beckham and one of Guti. Albacete hadn't any clear goal chance in the first half, Casillas hasn't work. Figo protested a possible PK when he was in Albacete goal Area. The first goal of RC was a really hard free kick that touched in Albacete player confusing the Albacete Goalkeeper.

In the second half, Albacete played better but RM hasn't many problems, we had luck again in other hard free kick of Roberto Carlos that touched in Figo confing the Albacete Goalkeeper. The game seemed ended and Querioz changed Zidane thinking in the game against Monaco, but a minute after the change Albacete scored and we suffered a lot until the end of the game. Albacete hasn't very clear goal chances, Casillas did very few difficult saves, except one, it seemed that it was going to be goal of Albacete and Casillas made a extraordinay save.

Very important result to maintain the fight for la liga, now Valencia have the pressure. Barcelona failed yesterday and they have lost a lot of chances to fight for la liga.


The best players of the game:

Roberto Carlos for his 2 goals, the best way to celebrate that with the game of yesterday he is the foreing player that has played more games with RM (397) ahead Di Stefano (396) and Santamaria (335). Ronaldo for his play in the first half. And Mejia that was really solid all the game, he is improving every game.

[afgrijselijkheid]

i'll keep this simple for you

- i am neither a real fan nor am i a real hater nor am i a fan of a rival club

- i posted to hear what the fans of the club had to say about the figo goal controversy and the officiating accusations from other teams - i'm pretty sure i already know what the other teams' fans would say if i posted in the la liga forum

- i already said i am referring to the figo goal and the monaco match... nothing else - i am not going to act like i've seen every real match since 1953

- i am not starting anything and i think you know it - this talk has been going on for weeks - benitez complained, depor president lendoiro complained, etc. - monaco did not complain, but i am doing it for them

- i stated clearly that this was about a lack of whistles against real, not what barca did or bilbao didnt do

- you ARE crying about getting robbed and real fans do that as much as anybody else's fans

- obviously you are biased... to what degree is open to debate, but i will argue that you lack the ability to view the calls objectively - figo turned as the ball hit his arm, which can easily and properly be contrued as guiding the ball in - the fact that you cannot even admit something so glaringly obvious drains your credibility

- as for the CL match, i lost count at 8 the number of danger free kicks NOT awarded monaco on obvious real fouls... and that was near the hour when the score was still tied 1-1

- the fact that you got so upset about my basically harmless post leads me to believe you know the figo goal was bogus

in any event, i didn't hope to offend - have a nice day and dont be so paranoid

[Real Ray]

http://www.geocities.com/castmind/rcarlos.html

Here is a clip of the Roberto Carlos-Figo rebound in question.

[afgrijselijkheid]

http://www.geocities.com/castmind/rcarlos.html

Here is a clip of the Roberto Carlos-Figo rebound in question.


thanks ray! that is the best look i've had at it

NOW... anyone who argues that he didn't intentionally guide that in with his arm is lying or blind - not only should that not have counted, but he should have been booked

[Oscar]

i've heard a lot of griping over recent months from Eredivisie sides that Ajax get a refereeing advantage and i'll tell you what.... after seeing Heitinga's "goal" and watching Ajax-Lyon, i'm just about ready to believe it - how could that be missed!!!!

just to be clear, i dont believe the godenzonen get extra whistles in their favor... i just think some officials swallow their whistle when it comes time to call a foul on ajax ;)

[bkn0528]

Did it work?

Borja for Guti? Well, I couldn't see the game as I was at work so I'm the wrong person to ask, but Albacete did score after the switch.

[afgrijselijkheid]

i've heard a lot of griping since the dawn of time from Eredivisie sides that Ajax get a refereeing advantage

1-fixed your post

2-of course heitenga was offside - i happily accepted it as make up for VDV not winning a penalty being american football tackled by the keeper a few minutes earlier

3-check your stats - AJAX get more fouls whistled on them than most teams - the fouls for celta-AJAX was like 12-36 - against any kind of decent opponent, we usually outfoul

now cards is another matter, we don't see those very often

4-way to avoid admitting the obvious truth about the goal in question

look i know i dont post here very often, but i promise i'm not trying to troll - like i said, i wonder if its just one of those things were the calls go your way for awhile (which always ends with a vengeance) or if certain guys like zidane & raul just get away with some stuff because of their stature

[Oscar]

¿Penalty on van der Vaart? It's not april first anymore man. ;)

Check my stats? I'm not American who writes all the non-important stats he can find in his little black book (¿¡¿how many times DID the toilet get flushed today!?!) the only 'stat' that matters is that Lyon got screwed that match. Like Volendam got screwed when they didn't receive a penalty. Like AZ got screwed by not winning in the Arena. Like FC Utrecht got screwed when they lost the Amstel Cup. Like FC Groningen got screwed this weekend.

And thanx for assuming that I'm avoiding that goal, but really what is happening is that you're missing the point. Which is that people are easily inclined to talk about how Madrid get favourable calls, but ignore them when we get calls against us or rival teams get them, or when they happen to their own team apparently.

Shít, why do you think people call them 'lucky' Ajax. :D

[afgrijselijkheid]

Shít, why do you think people call them 'lucky' Ajax. :D


mostly jealousy... which could also be why real is hearing this now - it usually gets set off by one favorable call/non-call... sometimes its fair, sometimes its not

btw i admit to most of those pro-AJAX calls you mentioned but dont act like those are all this season, some of those go two years back - as for VDV? you just look silly if you can't consider that a penalty... these are not even debatable man!

oh and im still waiting for ONE person to concede that the ref screwed up an easy one on the figo "goal"

[Oscar]

I didn't think it was a penalty, the commentator on tv didn't think it was a penalty either, you think it was a penalty. Two of those are neutral opinions, one isn't.

Those were just some examples which were on the top of my head, if I actually had to think about it, I could no doubt give you more from this season (which only one of those national examples wasn't...meh) but since I don't want to hurt my head, and these work nicely to make the point, they'll do.

[MadridForever]

NOW... anyone who argues that he didn't intentionally guide that in with his arm is lying or blind - not only should that not have counted, but he should have been booked

I have to be patient, ... , i have to be patient, ...

In that slow motion replay (the real play was much more fast) we can
see that Roberto Carlos make a shot that it seems that it isn't very hard
but that really was very hard. Figo and Ronaldo make the typical movement to distract the GK and at the same time to be ready in a privileged position to score in case that GK don't block the ball (think very usual in RC
free-kicks). Well, we see that Figo in his movement is in the trayectory of the ball. Figo move a little bit his head (probably afraid) and move his arm
trying too protect himself to the shot (A shot of RC directly to your chest it
musn't be a good experience - many players can verify that), it is a instinctive movement of protection in 0.001 seconds (a similar movement to the movement that made the Albacete defense in the first goal with the diference that the ball touch in one of the defender leftleg, yeah, probably Alba defender touch deliberately the ball because he didn't earn enough money in Albacete, or even better, because he want to sign to RM).

Here you have the video of the play as really happened (at real speed):

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/RobertoCarlosGoal2.mpg



If you really think that at that speed, Figo put his body in the exact position of the trayectory of the ball, and in a thousandth of the second, he put his arm in the exact position so the ball went near the left post where the Albacete GK could do anything to save the goal, you have serious problems with the reality.

Ok, Ok, Figo is like Neo (Matrix movie character), and he can to turn off the ball, as Neo turned off the bullets in the Matrix movie.


Well, NOW lets go to analize really SERIOUS plays, A CLEAR PENALTY TO FIGO in the same game. It is strange that a "Neutral" spectator like you, didn't see that very clear play. I think that you have as neutral as Hitler in the Word War II.

Here you have the video:

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/FigoPenalty.mpg



Well, to make easier your work, the TV producer has marked with white circles where the Albacete defenders grab/hold Figo, making him a very clear
penalty.



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i'll keep this simple for you - i am neither a real fan nor am i a real hater nor am i a fan of a rival club

Well, seeing your partial opinions, I really believe you when you said that you aren't a Real Madrid fan. I have my doubts about to be a RM hater. Maybe, you do it unconsciously, but you must assume that you have "little" tendence against RM.


- i posted to hear what the fans of the club had to say about the figo goal controversy and the officiating accusations from other teams - i'm pretty sure i already know what the other teams' fans would say if i posted in the la liga forum

Post in la liga forum if you want, i will be there to reply any arguments. You would have a great surprises. I would start saying why Barcelona after more than a year of the sanction of two games closed to its stadium, after the horrible incidents with Figo (whisky bottles, billar balls, pig heads, game stopped 15-20 minutes...) its stadium hasn't been closed yet. Betis, Sevilla stadium where closed the last year for similar incidents, but Barcelona stadium hasn't been closed. For your information Real Madrid stadium has been closed. The last time 12-14 year because a spectator hit with the half of a orange to a ref. But Barcelona stadium never has been closed for biggest incidents.They have too much power in the Spain soccer federation.

You can go to Barcelona forum and ask why they play the Copa del Rey 2-3 year ago, when they have been sanctioned with no play that year. Well, they were indulted and they didn't fullfit the sanction.

It is a long list .....


- i already said i am referring to the figo goal and the monaco match ... nothing else - i am not going to act like i've seen every real match since 1953

Well, in your first post you spoke about the last months and i replied you with 6 very clear examples where the refs benefied Valencia and Barcelona, and prejudiced RM in the last weeks. I haven't speaking about 20 years or 30 years ago.

REAL MADRID SHOULD HAVE A BIGGER ADVANTAGE.

I put you some links related with the 6 plays that i described in my previous post.

1. Racing Santander vs Real Madrid

http://www.elsalvador.com/noticias/2004/03/07/deportes/dep7.asp

You can use a translator to traduce this sentence:

" ... A falta de veinte minutos el Real Madrid se quedaba sin Ronaldo, quien abandonaba el campo visiblemente cojo y era sustituido por Núñez, quien poco después era objeto de un penalti por una entrada por detrás dentro del área, que no fue sancionado por el árbitro."


2. Valencia vs Deportivo

http://www.xornal.es/article.php3?sid=20040307000449
The title of this article is:
"Nuevo escándalo arbitral en Valencia, donde el Deportivo terminó cayendo"

Translation: "New refs's scandal in Valencia, where Deportivo finally lost"

The article speaks about the red card to Mauro Silva (Deportivo player), a penalty that was outside goal area in favor to valencia, a penalty of Albelda (Valencia player). And say that Deportivo official web page show the upset of Deportivo.


3. Celta vs Valencia

http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/20040315/NOTICIA132835380.html

"El árbitro perjudicó al Celta al no pitar en el descuento un claro penalti de Juan Sánchez a Jesuli y en la jugada siguiente sentenció el Valencia"

"the ref prejudice Celta to not call a clear penalty of Juan Sanchez to Jesuli ......"


4 and 5. Barcelona vs Real Sociedad

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/envivos/2004/03/1495_index_rfsh.html

"... Cae Kovacevic en el área. Fue agarrado por Oleguer aunque la final
se dejo caer. Segundo penalti que escamotean a la Real...."

" ... Fall Kovacevic in the goal area. He was hold by Oleguer although at the end he let himself fall. Second penalty that steal to Real Sociedad ..."


6. Villarreal vs Barcelona

As happened the sunday i have the video of the play, anyway here you have a link and the video.

http://www.terra.es/deportes/articulo/html/dpo21696.htm

"..... Davids cometió penalti a Ballesteros, pero el árbitro sacó la falta fuera del área."

"... Davids made a penalty to Ballesteros, but the ref said that the foul was outside the goal area."

The video:

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/BarcelonaPenalty.mpg



In all these plays the Deportivo, Real Sociedad, Celta and Villarreal players spoke very angry against the helps to Valencia and Barcelona.


I think that this is should be the talk that has been going on for weeks, ......


- i am not starting anything and i think you know it - this talk has been going on for weeks - benitez complained, depor president lendoiro complained, etc. - monaco did not complain, but i am doing it for them

Well, i already answer you in the lines above.

But If you will follow a little the spain league you will know that Florentino president), Valdano (GM),Queiroz (manager) don't speak about the Refs.It is the policy of the club. It is a problem, because then appear people like you that only hear the opinion/excuses of RM rivals, that people post in the board and then i have to reply the same history again and again. In the last weeks the refs have clearly beneficied RM rivals (see the examples and links) but as Florentino, Valdano, Queiroz haven't spoken/search excuses about that ... nothing happen.

Yeah, I know that there is a unwritten law that say that the refs cannot take wrong decisions if they benefit RM, and that every doubtful decision should be against RM. But sorry, I'm a nonconformist, and i fight against that.


- i stated clearly that this was about a lack of whistles against real, not what barca did or bilbao didnt do - you ARE crying about getting robbed and real fans do that as much as anybody else's fans

Again, I really bored about this debate, are only excuses of lossers. It's ok, to say 1 time that that you lost by the refs, but everytime is unhealthy. I would be VERY VERY HAPPY if i hadn't to speak about refs decisions. I'm only speak about the refs when people like you start. And to recall the decisions against RM, to compensate the information, because as Florentino doesn't speak .... there is a defenselessness situation. Example, In the last weeks refs has beneficed Valencia and Barcelona, noboby in RM has speak/search excuses about that. The impression for a external supporter not very informed of la liga is that nothing has happened. In the opposite case everybody speak for a long time. The impression for a external supporter is that the refs benefits RM, because they haven't other information. I'm really tired about that.

I never have gone to a rival team board or rival threads to cry/say that the refs have helped "other teams", and i never will do that. You can verify that if you want. What i have done some times is reply when someone has attacked RM about refs or another things.


- obviously you are biased... to what degree is open to debate, but i will argue that you lack the ability to view the calls objectively - figo turned as the ball hit his arm, which can easily and properly be contrued as guiding the ball in - the fact that you cannot even admit something so glaringly obvious drains your credibility

IF reply with good arguments and with good sources your arguments is to be
biased, then i think that you are right. I think that the only biased here is you. You have a suspicious tendency to speak about Real Madrid "benefits", and to forget the benefits of RM rivals or the plays against RM. Maybe, it is severe case of selective memory.


- as for the CL match, i lost count at 8 the number of danger free kicks NOT awarded monaco on obvious real fouls... and that was near the hour when the score was still tied 1-1

I was in the Bernabeu, and i didn't see that 8 dangerous fouls, i
didn't notice that, maybe i had noticed that fouls later if Monaco Manager or
players had spoken about that, but they didn't say anything. It is very strange that a neutral guy like you saw 8 dangerours fouls that
anything else saw .... speaking about fouls .... it is very strange that you
didn't see a very clear foul to Zidane inside Monaco Goal area. It was a
clear PK.

Here you have a link that speak about that:

http://eltiempo.terra.com.co/depo/FUTBOL/FUTINT_F/2004-03-24/ARTICULO-WEB-_NOTA_INTERIOR-1564468.html

" .... Un posible penalti al volante de Marsella que se ‘tragó’ el árbitro acabó por espolear al equipo y a los aficionados blancos, ..."


If you don't like RM for some reasons, great for you, no problem, you can say whatever you want. But don't act like you were neutral.


- the fact that you got so upset about my basically harmless post leads me to believe you know the figo goal was bogus


You said "i've heard a lot of griping over recent months from la liga sides that real get a refereeing advantage and i'll tell you what.... after seeing the figo "goal" and watching real-monaco, i'm just about ready to believe it - how could that be missed!!!!"

Your harmless post had "poison" inside, and you know it. You can insult with "good words", but you still are insulting. Example, you can go to your neighbor house and say "I don't want to believe what i hear about you, that you are a thief, but that golden watch ....". When the reality is that the watch is a inheritance of his mother. Probably, just probably, your neighbor would have reason to be angry with you.


In any event, i didn't hope to offend - have a nice day and don't be so paranoid

No problem. But before to write in a board about "facts", PLEASE, just try to be most informed.