Real Madrid vs Albacete [R]

[afgrijselijkheid]

I have to be patient, ... , i have to be patient, ...


this post is unbelievably pathetic and i have gone ahead and factored in the time it took to put it together

but to be fair, later i will break it down and respond to every point you make - i will watch every clip you put up and give my opinion on the call

[MadridForever]

this post is unbelievably pathetic and i have gone ahead and factored in the time it took to put it together

but to be fair, later i will break it down and respond to every point you make - i will watch every clip you put up and give my opinion on the call

This post is even better than your reply to my previous post. GREAT ARGUMENTS!!! You are a real genius!!!! Ok, I will wait patiently your reply and i hope that this time you say SOMETHING, because you still haven't give any good argument. Your first reply was really poor.

Note: I'm sorry, if you are upset because i have supported with links and videos my arguments. You are free to do the same ;)

[afgrijselijkheid]

This post is even better than your reply to my previous post. GREAT ARGUMENTS!!! You are a real genius!!!! Ok, I will wait patiently your reply and i hope that this time you say SOMETHING, because you still haven't give any good argument. Your first reply was really poor.

Note: I'm sorry, if you are upset because i have supported with links and videos my arguments. You are free to do the same ;)


and i'm sorry that i didn't have time to answer right away, which is what i meant by 'later'

now just give me a few minutes please

[afgrijselijkheid]

In that slow motion replay (the real play was much more fast)


not a good start at all


we can see that Roberto Carlos make a shot that it seems that it isn't very hard but that really was very hard. Figo and Ronaldo make the typical movement to distract the GK and at the same time to be ready in a privileged position to score in case that GK don't block the ball (think very usual in RC free-kicks). Well, we see that Figo in his movement is in the trayectory of the ball. Figo move a little bit his head (probably afraid) and move his arm trying too protect himself to the shot (A shot of RC directly to your chest it musn't be a good experience - many players can verify that), it is a instinctive movement of protection in 0.001 seconds (a similar movement to the movement that made the Albacete defense in the first goal with the diference that the ball touch in one of the defender leftleg, yeah, probably Alba defender touch deliberately the ball because he didn't earn enough money in Albacete, or even better, because he want to sign to RM).

Here you have the video of the play as really happened (at real speed):

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/RobertoCarlosGoal2.mpg



If you really think that at that speed, Figo put his body in the exact position of the trayectory of the ball, and in a thousandth of the second, he put his arm in the exact position so the ball went near the left post where the Albacete GK could do anything to save the goal, you have serious problems with the reality.


i have two questions for you to answer please:

1-what part of figo's body deflected the ball in?

2-was his arm away from his torso?

and please don't insult my intelligence with this 'how could figo put it right in this spot blah blah blah' - he could try, couldn't he? sh1t happens sometimes when you try... that's why they call it luck


Well, NOW lets go to analize really SERIOUS plays, A CLEAR PENALTY TO FIGO in the same game. It is strange that a "Neutral" spectator like you, didn't see that very clear play. I think that you have as neutral as Hitler in the Word War II.

Here you have the video:

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/FigoPenalty.mpg



first of all, as i said twice before, I ONLY SAW THE FIGO GOAL FROM THE ALBACETE MATCH - got it? you can't really downgrade me for not noticing something i didn't see... yet you have

NOW this a pretty whiny beg here, but if the penalty would have been given i would not complain about it - the idiot who put the circle near the ground is probably a real fan right? the guy on the ground FELL on his leg, he did not grab it with his hand - that is painfully clear - now the guy behind him got his legs a little but it could have been a simple tangle - anyway, i would not call it myself, but i can see the gripe



Well, seeing your partial opinions, I really believe you when you said that you aren't a Real Madrid fan. I have my doubts about to be a RM hater. Maybe, you do it unconsciously, but you must assume that you have "little" tendence against RM.


stop assuming so much, it makes you look like a fool - i could not care less about real either way and it has no effect on my happiness if they win or lose the title


Post in la liga forum if you want, i will be there to reply any arguments. You would have a great surprises. I would start saying why Barcelona after more than a year of the sanction of two games closed to its stadium, after the horrible incidents with Figo (whisky bottles, billar balls, pig heads, game stopped 15-20 minutes...) its stadium hasn't been closed yet. Betis, Sevilla stadium where closed the last year for similar incidents, but Barcelona stadium hasn't been closed. For your information Real Madrid stadium has been closed. The last time 12-14 year because a spectator hit with the half of a orange to a ref. But Barcelona stadium never has been closed for biggest incidents.They have too much power in the Spain soccer federation.

You can go to Barcelona forum and ask why they play the Copa del Rey 2-3 year ago, when they have been sanctioned with no play that year. Well, they were indulted and they didn't fullfit the sanction.

It is a long list .....


what does any of this have to do with the topic?


Well, in your first post you spoke about the last months


no i didnt give my opinion about anything but the monaco match and figo's winner - i did say that i READ other people's opinions


and i replied you with 6 very clear examples where the refs benefied Valencia and Barcelona, and prejudiced RM in the last weeks. I haven't speaking about 20 years or 30 years ago.


all of which have absolutely nothing to do with the topic i started


REAL MADRID SHOULD HAVE A BIGGER ADVANTAGE.


no comment needed


6. Villarreal vs Barcelona

As happened the sunday i have the video of the play, anyway here you have a link and the video.

http://www.terra.es/deportes/articulo/html/dpo21696.htm

"..... Davids cometió penalti a Ballesteros, pero el árbitro sacó la falta fuera del área."

"... Davids made a penalty to Ballesteros, but the ref said that the foul was outside the goal area."

The video:

http://club.telepolis.com/deckcob/BarcelonaPenalty.mpg



this one is weird... he clearly trips him in the cormer of the area - however, it is at the edge and the ref is not standing directly on top of the play - im guessing he wasnt sure if it was in or not - also, the player loses control of the ball and is running away from the goal towards the corner

long story short, the fact that you insist to have penalty called here is quite lame - just more shameful whining


But If you will follow a little the spain league you will know that Florentino president), Valdano (GM),Queiroz (manager) don't speak about the Refs.It is the policy of the club. It is a problem, because then appear people like you that only hear the opinion/excuses of RM rivals, that people post in the board and then i have to reply the same history again and again. In the last weeks the refs have clearly beneficied RM rivals (see the examples and links) but as Florentino, Valdano, Queiroz haven't spoken/search excuses about that ... nothing happen.

now i could spend all night finding links where valdano and perez bitched and moaned about somehting, but i think if i just post one bit of complaining, your point that real never complain about officiating can be thrown out the window


from planet football mar 5:
"Uefa only seem to be worried about investigating a game when they have the footage to see it," stated Queiroz.

"I don't agree. If Bayern, directly or indirectly, had not advised Uefa then nothing would have happened, but in life there are many people who throw the stone and then hide their hand.

"They punished Roberto Carlos with two games and yet the violent attitude of Ballack, which could have ended the career of Beckham, was let go without any red card.

"If we are going to re-inspect every decision then things will never end. You have to respect the referee.

"The interests of Real Madrid and Roberto Carlos are at stake.

"I do not agree with the idea of a two-game ban after the match has finished, it only seems a good idea for incidents that took place out of sight of the referee.

"That is a basic fact of football, the referee must be above everything and if he intervenes and interprets an incident you should respect his decision."


its hilarious, he sounds like you - first he cries about not getting a call... and then he says the referee's decision should be respected as final

well which one is it carlos? which one is it MadridForever? i guess it only matters how real can best benefit huh?


Yeah, I know that there is a unwritten law that say that the refs cannot take wrong decisions if they benefit RM, and that every doubtful decision should be against RM. But sorry, I'm a nonconformist, and i fight against that.



how can a real madrid fan be such a baby playing the victim?!?! its pathetic



I never have gone to a rival team board or rival threads to cry/say that the refs have helped "other teams", and i never will do that


look at the teams listed under my screen name... do you see any of your rivals listed there? anything even close to a rival?


I think that the only biased here is you.


oh naturally, how surprising :rolleyes:


You have a suspicious tendency to speak about Real Madrid "benefits", and to forget the benefits of RM rivals or the plays against RM. Maybe, it is severe case of selective memory.


or maybe it is a case of i don't see as many primera matches as you - how do i forget what i havent seen? - just pathetic... this is the kind of argument you want to pass off as valid or factual?


I was in the Bernabeu, and i didn't see that 8 dangerous fouls, i
didn't notice that, maybe i had noticed that fouls later if Monaco Manager or
players had spoken about that, but they didn't say anything. It is very strange that a neutral guy like you saw 8 dangerours fouls that
anything else saw .... speaking about fouls .... it is very strange that you
didn't see a very clear foul to Zidane inside Monaco Goal area. It was a
clear PK.


1-i did not say dangerous fouls - i said fouls that would have given danger free kicks, as in around the area - but i guess you were probably in such a lather that you really didnt read my words, did you?

2-i saw zidane go down in between two guys and it was not a clear penalty - this is a contact sport after all - what do you want them to do? take his hand and help him to the net? not every little piece of contact in the area is a penalty, otherwise we'd have 50 PKs every match - sometimes men are running fast, battling, shoulder charging... and guess what? sometimes they even fall down


If you don't like RM for some reasons, great for you, no problem, you can say whatever you want. But don't act like you were neutral.


why on earth would i feel the need to lie about how i feel about a football team on an anonymous message board?!? did that ever even cross your mind?

sad how you spent all that time putting together this epic post, yet you couldn't spend one second of that time actually thinking rationally


Your harmless post had "poison" inside, and you know it. You can insult with "good words", but you still are insulting. Example, you can go to your neighbor house and say "I don't want to believe what i hear about you, that you are a thief, but that golden watch ....". When the reality is that the watch is a inheritance of his mother. Probably, just probably, your neighbor would have reason to be angry with you.


poison eh? i dont know whats more pathetic... your bizarre paranoia or your metaphor


No problem. But before to write in a board about "facts", PLEASE, just try to be most informed.


a board about facts?!? have you ever been on bigsoccer before?!?


final analysis: i ask about a one specific goal to see if you can be objective... and it is such an easy thing to admit... but you are so blinded by the love for your team that you cant even say it was a fortunate non call - that is just sad - then you bring up a 1000 arguments on how other teams got or didn't get calls, which has nothing to do with the topic - then you tell me you are not biased but you want every ticky tack call to go your way - then you tell us how real are always the victim - i wonder if you could give ONE example of a bad call that went real's way... i'll bet you can't, but of course you are not biased

ya know what? never mind, i think i found out what i came to find out

[MadridForever]

not a good start at all

.......


final analysis: i ask about a one specific goal to see if you can be objective... and it is such an easy thing to admit... but you are so blinded by the love for your team that you cant even say it was a fortunate non call - that is just sad - then you bring up a 1000 arguments on how other teams got or didn't get calls, which has nothing to do with the topic - then you tell me you are not biased but you want every ticky tack call to go your way - then you tell us how real are always the victim - i wonder if you could give ONE example of a bad call that went real's way... i'll bet you can't, but of course you are not biased

ya know what? never mind, i think i found out what i came to find out


What a patethic reply!!!!!


I'm going to recall your words, AGAIN!!!!! Because i'm still waiting a good reply.


"I'VE HEAR A LOT OF GRIPING OVER RECENT MONTHS FROM LA LIGA SIDES THAT REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ....
AFTER SEEING THE FIGO "GOAL" AND WATCHING REAL-MONACO, I JUST ABOUT READY TO BELIEVE IT - HOW COULD THAT BE MISSED!!!!

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE THE MERENGUES GET EXTRA WHISLES IN THEIR FAVOR ... I JUST THINK SOME OFFICIALS SWALLOW THEIR WHISTLE WHEN IT COMES TIMES TO CALL A FOUL ON REAL"


Sorry, you can hide your words!!!! You started the debate with that post, exacly the post #9 of this thread. Every human being reading what you write, can undertand that you don't speak only about the "Roberto Carlos Goal" or "Monaco game". Please, don't insult the intelligence of the people of this board.

If you wanted to " ask about a one specific goal to see if you can be objective..." (your exact words post #24)

You should have written "Hey guys, have you seen the Roberto Carlos second goal? In my opinion Figo deliberately touched the ball to turn off the trajectory and scored. What do you think?"

But not, you wrote:

"I'VE HEAR A LOT OF GRIPING OVER RECENT MONTHS FROM LA LIGA SIDES THAT REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ....
AFTER SEEING THE FIGO "GOAL" AND WATCHING REAL-MONACO, I JUST ABOUT READY TO BELIEVE IT - HOW COULD THAT BE MISSED!!!!

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE THE MERENGUES GET EXTRA WHISLES IN THEIR FAVOR ... I JUST THINK SOME OFFICIALS SWALLOW THEIR WHISTLE WHEN IT COMES TIMES TO CALL A FOUL ON REAL"





Then i replied you about "REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE ... I JUST READY TO BELIEVE IT" and "I JUST THINK SOME OFFICIALS SWALLOW THEIR WHISTLE WHEN IT COMES TIMES TO CALL A FOUL ON REAL".

I put you a lot of examples of the decisions taken against RM direct or indirectly by the refs in the last weeks, I have put you examples even in the same game of "Roberto Carlos Goal", but everyone have seen how you have tried to avoid reply my arguments saying: "i already said i am referring to the figo goal and the monaco match... nothing else" or "I ONLY SAW THE FIGO GOAL FROM THE ALBACETE MATCH". You simply knew that you had been too hasty spoken "too much" about things that you don't know or you had BIASED information, but i recall you again what you said:

"I'VE HEAR A LOT OF GRIPING OVER RECENT MONTHS FROM LA LIGA SIDES THAT REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ....
AFTER SEEING THE FIGO "GOAL" AND WATCHING REAL-MONACO, I JUST ABOUT READY TO BELIEVE IT - HOW COULD THAT BE MISSED!!!!

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE THE MERENGUES GET EXTRA WHISLES IN THEIR FAVOR ... I JUST THINK SOME OFFICIALS SWALLOW THEIR WHISTLE WHEN IT COMES TIMES TO CALL A FOUL ON REAL"




What it is more funny is that you said things like:

"I ONLY SAW THE FIGO GOAL FROM THE ALBACETE MATCH - got it? you can't really downgrade me for not noticing something i didn't see ...."

We i downgrade you for say things like ....

"I'VE HEAR A LOT OF GRIPING OVER RECENT MONTHS FROM LA LIGA SIDES THAT REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT ....
AFTER SEEING THE FIGO "GOAL" AND WATCHING REAL-MONACO, I JUST ABOUT READY TO BELIEVE IT - HOW COULD THAT BE MISSED!!!!

JUST TO BE CLEAR, I DON'T BELIEVE THE MERENGUES GET EXTRA WHISLES IN THEIR FAVOR ... I JUST THINK SOME OFFICIALS SWALLOW THEIR WHISTLE WHEN IT COMES TIMES TO CALL A FOUL ON REAL"





.... when you admit that you even haven't seen the whole game, probably you have seen very few la liga games. You haven't any credibility.


You should rewrite your first post and write something like:

Hey guys, Alghouth Real Madrid had big number of decision against its interests in la liga in the last weeks, seeing Roberto Carlos goal turn off by Figo, and not seeing Figo PK because i haven't seen that game, and seeing 8 danger fouls that anything else have seen in Monaco game, and not seeing possible Zidane PK in that game, i JUST READY TO BELIEVE THAT REAL GET A REFEREENG ADVANTAGE. YEAH, I'm not joking - HOW COULD YOU THINK THAT I'M JOKING!!!!

Just to be clear, Valencia and Barcelona has been whisles in their favor in the last weeks and RM haven't. I have a lot of links, some videos ... But the facts hasn't any importance in Bigsoccer debates.

[afgrijselijkheid]

how exactly is "i've heard people complaining" so confusing? other people said the comments for crying out loud! ijust mentioned it

but you know what? i'm guessing that no matter how i worded it or what i said, you would have replied with the same whining

[Sinko]

Hey BlueDaddy

Just so you are aware, MadridForever's responses are not solely directed at you, but also at all the other anti-Madrid folks out there who are convinced that the powers-that-be have tipped and will always tip the scales in favor of Real Madrid. You've stumbled onto a much more volatile subject than you seem to realize.

However, by my scorecard, you made a flippant accusation, and it was thoroughly rebuked by MadridForever.

My suggestion is that your tit-for-tat on the issue ends here.

[afgrijselijkheid]

Hey BlueDaddy

Just so you are aware, MadridForever's responses are not solely directed at you, but also at all the other anti-Madrid folks out there who are convinced that the powers-that-be have tipped and will always tip the scales in favor of Real Madrid. You've stumbled onto a much more volatile subject than you seem to realize.

However, by my scorecard, you made a flippant accusation, and it was thoroughly rebuked by MadridForever.

My suggestion is that your tit-for-tat on the issue ends here.

first of all, for the 100th time i'm not anti-madrid - what is wrong with you?

and now i am responsible for what others say as well? - well fine, i won't be back to this whiny forum if thats what makes you all so happy

and apparently, not realizing what a volatile subject it was is a character flaw of mine... yeah thats fair-minded of you

and finally, you wave your big mod finger at me (as if i cared)... how ironic

don't bother with anymore childish, oversensitive responses - i won't be back to read them

[Sinko]

Oh good lord.

I said the "other" anti-Madrid" folks, without accusing you of being so. You've stated that you are not, so I trust that to be the case.

The can of worms you opened is larger than you understand. It don't recall assaulting your character, but you can come down off the cross any time now.

Mods are here to wag fingers, and it seems you are the one being oversensitive in this case.
You're welcome to post here in the forum, just beware that accusations of favoritism are taken seriously here.