Ronaldo is going to Real Madrid next week er...next month,wait..next year! Ronaldo Transfer Thread

[F@ndango]

Why on earth have the last few pages of an otherwise interesting thread been dedicated to discussing the imbeciles from Madrid?

Bringing us back on topic, the UK broadsheets are today reporting that Gill has eased his stance on the possibility of signing Tevez for the originally agreed fee.

[YOUNGSTARS87]

you know it is silly season when circus clown ys starts spamming our transfer threads

Me answering questions is spamming? GTFO over yourself, ffs how long ago was it that you were PM'ing me with questions that I'd take my time out to answer.

Ungrateful ******.

Ys, please dont associate Match debator with us.

Fair enough, my bad.


I again apologize for the Madrid disucssion, next time I'll try to take it to PM's.

[Match-Debater]

If you don't know what you're talking about stop rushing to judgment.

1). Nobody voted for Perez he was sworn in due to no opposition being able to get the bank guarantee necessary to run against him, so since he was unopposed by June 1st, he as regulations stipulate takes office unabated.

2). The candidates we had to choose from were all shit except Martinez Bravo who was the first to have to cede his candidacy because he ran a clean one, didn't want to embarrass the club like the other two idiots did and since he was some rich oil/consruction/insurance man he didn't have the major backing.

He did however have many of ours and if he got the guarantee he could have put up a good fight because his plans were sensible.


3). Stop jumping to idiotic conclusions about a club you know nothing about. In the past I did the same with Manchester and rightfully so I was bashed for doing it. I'd ask the same from you.

Ah, it is Mr. YOUNGSTAR87.

So he wasn't even democratically elected. Interesting.

Guess I should've googled the wonderous ins & outs of yet another enthralling presidency campaign.

Point 3.) - edited - itself contains a knee-jerk conclusion, but nevermind.

Couldn't agree more.

Quite, Real will do well to seek a more individually-minded player.

[Red Jeph]

I thought this was the last time he could be involved in the whole "ownership by a company" thing. At least in the EPL. I'm pretty sure the FA said no more of this stupidity. But if he goes to Spain, Italy, etc. I think he can still be "owned" by MSI.

Yeah, I get that part, but his contract with Kia/MSI can't just be forever/until he is sold.

[superdolphin]

Why not pato if benzema is unavailable or overpriced?

[YOUNGSTARS87]

Kaka has dodgy knees. Ronaldo transfer rumours have so far happened when he is off for an international tournament with Portugal;

Actually they happen whenever a reporter ask him if he'll commit to Manchester United and he replies them with "I don't know my future".

would expect them to give a go again next summer. Also, if Perez is looking to create Galacticos 2.0, it makes obvious sense to go for Kaka (read Figo) before going for the bigger cash cows Ronaldo (read Zidane or Beckham).

Why wait another summer?

Perez was as direct as he could possibly be when he said we were interested in Cristiano and that he would do in one summer what he use to do in three.

Like I said before when people didn't believe me, we will invest heavily.


He isn't Calderon and won't take his idiotic approach, either.

[barroldinho]

I still say slap a 120-150m price tag on him....actually, make it 170-200m - test the Saudi billionaires. After all, in the current climate, we're looking at probably 65m at the very very least to get anything close to a replacement. Why should we sell unless we can significantly improve our squad without him? Ronny's proven this season that whether he'd like to move or not, he isn't actually unhappy at United, so if you want him, pay up.

As for his comments about not knowing his future, he probably learnt last year that it's the most diplomatic thing he can say. If he says he wants to go, he risks upsetting United again and if he rules it out, he unwittingly might lose a potentially lucrative move.

[sab456]

I still say slap a 120-150m price tag on him....actually, make it 170-200m - test the Saudi billionaires. After all, in the current climate, we're looking at probably 65m at the very very least to get anything close to a replacement. Why should we sell unless we can significantly improve our squad without him? Ronny's proven this season that whether he'd like to move or not, he isn't actually unhappy at United, so if you want him, pay up.


What ! ? Al Ittihad want Ronnie now ? :eek:

[nimma]

What ! ? Al Ittihad want Ronnie now ? :eek:

No he actually means Citeh i think.....

[YOUNGSTARS87]

No he actually means Citeh i think.....

...... which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the guy isn't gearing to move anywhere just for money.

[Harry Boulton]

I don't think he wants to move for the money. Not 100% anyway.

Everton fans accuse Rooney of chasing money when he moved to United but the truth of it is, his acheivments since moving have justified his move, and it has nothing to do with the money he was offered. If Ronaldo wants to move, I'm sure a large part of it will be for a change of scenery and new opportunities.

I've no doubt that Ronaldo will be in for a significant pay rise of he moved to Real Madrid but I'm not sure he'll move this summer. He's not flirting with them as much as he was last summer, which I found quite sickening at times.

If he moves, he moves, but it'll be for a price very much beneficial to Man Utd. Real will be getting a great player but, if the rumours are to be believed, the signings of Kaka, Ronaldo and Ribery will not put Real on level terms with Barca. Barca's strength does not lie with their forward line of Henry, Messi and Eto'o, but with their ball retainers, Xavi and Iniesta. Dirarra and Snjeider can't compete.

[barroldinho]

...... which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever because the guy isn't gearing to move anywhere just for money.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if there are teams out there willing to bid 100m on Kaka, why should we settle for whatever measley pittance you guys might bid for Ronaldo. And before you say "Oh, but he wouldn't want to go to City!", that is irrelevant. The fact that City's ownership are now in this market means that they can theoretically bid that much for any major player we might try to sign if Ronaldo went.

Hence, a) What's the point in selling him for a fee that will just get us a replacement (assuming that player even exists and/or is available)? We might as well just keep him and save ourselves the trouble.

b) As we're a very profitable club, we have no reason to sell unless we will ultimately improve the squad as a result. That means selling him for a price that would get a comparable player (how much would we have to shell out to make Barca consider letting Messi go for example?) while also leaving us with money in reserve.

c) It's a resistance tactic. We don't want to sell him, have no need to sell him, so by stipulating such a bloated transfer fee we knock Madrid out of the race leaving only Citeh in the running, who he'd probably be reluctant to go to. It states our resolve and tests Madrid's true desire to sign him (assuming they still do) and their financial clout in today's market.

[YOUNGSTARS87]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if there are teams out there willing to bid 100m on Kaka, why should we settle for whatever measley pittance you guys might bid for Ronaldo.

Milan are looking for buyers, Manchester are not. Cristiano has a dream club he wants to go to someday, while Kaka does not.

There is a difference, and if you think Perez is stupid enough to care about an attempt to raise the price by flogging him to a club he wouldn't even join, you've guessed wrong.

theoretically bid that much for any major player we might try to sign if Ronaldo went.

Yes, and they did bid over 100M euros for Kaka in January, guess how much we could be buying him for right now? Yep over 40M euros less.

To think Cristiano Ronaldo would even have Jorge Mendes entertain any other club besides Madrid is wishful thinking. I'm quite sure in his mind he comes to Madrid or he stays where he's at.

b) As we're a very profitable club, we have no reason to sell unless we will ultimately improve the squad as a result.

Bayern are a profitable club and have no reason to sell either, they will though if the player wants to be gone. Madrid is a profitable club and definitely have no reason to sell, we will though if the player wants to be gone..

Following the trend here?

c) It's a resistance tactic. We don't want to sell him, have no need to sell him, so by stipulating such a bloated transfer fee we knock Madrid out of the race leaving only Citeh in the running, who he'd probably be reluctant to go to. It states our resolve and tests Madrid's true desire to sign him (assuming they still do) and their financial clout in today's market.

Again you are living in la la land.

Citeh won't be in the running because Perez, Madrid and the entire world knows that Cristiano Ronaldo wouldn't go to that club for anything. Perez, Madrid and the entire world know that Cristiano's dream club, his mother/family's dream club, and his promise made was he'd achieve playing for Madrid.

If Manchester tried to use Citeh as a makeshift (which they won't, they're not idiots) Perez will turn his back, instruct Jorge Mendes to tell Cristiano (like he's done so many times in the past with other star players) that we'll walk away from the deal unless he applies pressure.


I'm not saying Cristiano will definitely come, no one knows that. I'm saying your line of reasoning is nothing short of desperate.

If you honestly think a guy who family dream is for their son/brother to go to Madrid and be a 'galactico' like Figo, Ronaldo, Zidane. Would pass up this opportunity because of Citeh? (especially when the powerful Perez is back) I don't know what to tell you.

[Invincible]

To be honest I just want this shit to be over already. It's highly irritating.

[The Jitty Slitter]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if there are teams out there willing to bid 100m on Kaka, why should we settle for whatever measley pittance you guys might bid for Ronaldo.

With all due respect you are a little naive.

This was all kicked off again a month ago by Ronaldo's agent.

This all comes down to whether Ronaldo determines to force his way out (AKA berbatov) or you guys give him the fat payrise so that he can shut his trap for another year.

Madrid are just scoring the free media points.

[Harry Boulton]

Bayern are a profitable club and have no reason to sell either, they will though if the player wants to be gone. Madrid is a profitable club and definitely have no reason to sell, we will though if the player wants to be gone..

Following the trend here?


Good point here. Zidane moved from Juve, Ribery wants to move from Bayern.

But neither club has the financial and commercial clout of Manchester United. Only Real Madrid and Barca can compete and it's not like we've been short of success recently either.

It will be a close call, but in my opinion Ronaldo stays this year. At least, he's not being as brazen and slag-esque as he was last year. Still, there's 3 months to go yet. Let's see if Madrid start to flash him and promise him all sorts of naughty goodies if he promises to be theirs........


Madrid are just scoring the free media points.


They are. Every time someone says something it gets blasted across the front page of every paper in Europe. The best thing we can do is not say anything. If the player hands in a transfer request then we have a choice to make, but until then, we can do as we please. If we don't want to sell him, then we don't have to.

[barroldinho]

"There is a difference, and if you think Perez is stupid enough to care about an attempt to raise the price by flogging him to a club he wouldn't even join, you've guessed wrong."

We wouldn't be trying to sell him to City, or be suggesting that City want him (though they've mentioned him). I'm talking about the affect that City's money might have on the prices of potential targets. When Chelsea got their money we lost out on Drogba and Essien because they offered elevated bids we wouldn't match. Kaka might not move, because he likes his current situation. Benzema or Ribery might think differently if somebody slaps 500k per week in front of them.


"Yes, and they did bid over 100M euros for Kaka in January, guess how much we could be buying him for right now? Yep over 40M euros less."

Because they know City are out of the running and that Milan are prepared to sell.


"Bayern are a profitable club and have no reason to sell either, they will though if the player wants to be gone. Madrid is a profitable club and definitely have no reason to sell, we will though if the player wants to be gone..

Following the trend here?"

Were you asleep through last summer? He wanted to be gone then. Where was he this season?


I don't have time to reply to your numerous, repeated points. The point is, we don't want to sell him, don't need to sell him, there's no benefit to selling him and though he wants to play for Madrid at some point, it's not that he's desperate to leave Man U.

The elevated price would not be quoted with a view to actually selling him. It would be quoted as a stance against his leaving. You wouldn't in a million years pay that and we wouldn't expect you to. But if you offered that much - we'd have to consider it. It would be our way of saying to the media and Madrid, "We're not selling, but saying that isn't going to shut you or anybody else up - so here's a price. Put up or shut up."

Last season (when City weren't a factor) I suggested 80-100m, based on the fee of two Zidanes plus money in the bank. The danger is that if we use that price this season, it might actually be met and then where would we be?

Do you get it now?

[YOUNGSTARS87]

Good point here. Zidane moved from Juve, Ribery wants to move from Bayern.

But neither club has the financial and commercial clout of Manchester United. Only Real Madrid and Barca can compete and it's not like we've been short of success recently either.

Yes, the same Madrid who just sold Robinho who was at the time one of our best 'properties'. The same barca who could do nothing to stop Figo from joining Madrid.

These things happen to all clubs.

It will be a close call, but in my opinion Ronaldo stays this year. At least, he's not being as brazen and slag-esque as he was last year.

If you've read the interview with his mother and godfather from January that is supposedly their plan. They said something to the tune of "We went about it wrong being loud and letting our intent be known, this year we will be quiet and work through the deal".

Makes sense, the louder the deal the less likely it goes off.... well unless there is a full force out like Berbatov attempted recently.

[The Jitty Slitter]

Good point here. Zidane moved from Juve, Ribery wants to move from Bayern.

But neither club has the financial and commercial clout of Manchester United. Only Real Madrid and Barca can compete and it's not like we've been short of success recently either.

Eh?

Bayern are LOADED! Cash rich, Debt free yada yada.

You know what Toni is pulling down right?

That's not why he is leaving.

[barroldinho]

Yes, the same Madrid who just sold Robinho who was at the time one of our best 'properties'. The same barca who could do nothing to stop Figo from joining Madrid.

I thought Robinho wanted out regardless and only went to City cause he thought Chelsea had pulled out?


If you've read the interview with his mother and godfather from January that is supposedly their plan. They said something to the tune of "We went about it wrong being loud and letting our intent be known, this year we will be quiet and work through the deal".

Makes sense, the louder the deal the less likely it goes off.... well unless there is a full force out like Berbatov attempted recently.

Actually, normally the louder the deal the bigger the guarantee they go. Fergie scored big points last season because nobody expected him to win out or to have Ronaldo playing commitedly last season when he did stay.