Kevin Stott :: DCU vs San Jose :: Referee Thread [R]

[JayRockers!]

MLSNet Link (http://www.mlsnet.com/games/04/tracker.php?gamename=04032004_SJDC&version=preview&lang=eng)

REFEREE: Kevin Stott. SAR (bench): Craig Lowry; JAR (opposite): Greg Barkey; 4th: Michael Kennedy
MLS Career: 97 games; FC/gm: 26.0; Y/gm: 3.3; R: 24; pens: 17
Games involving United: P22 W12 L8 T2; FC/gm: 25.5; Y/gm: 3.1; R: 7; pens: 2
Games involving Earthquakes: P19 W8 L9 T2; FC/gm: 26.3; Y/gm: 2.9; R: 5; pens: 6

I'd like to try something new on the board this season. A separate thread to keep track of the ref's for each game. Keep it as a place where we can post comments and criticisms, share stories on how they have screwed DC in the past and why we should hate them. This may cover stuff mentioned in the Analysis or (un)Analysis Threads, but I think it would be easier to follow the referee-related discussion here. Feel free to post (if you want) or ignore.

To get things started, I can't think of anything positive or negative off the top of my head about Stott. Looks like we can expect 3 yellows, 25 fouls and maybe a red card, according to the statistics.

Thx,

Jay!

[Lanky134]

Stott did three United games last year:

4/26/03 v. COL (1-1 away draw): Yellows for Chino, Fraser, Stewart, Mastroeni. Called a PK on Rimando where Rizo clearly dived. Was otherwise OK, as I recall.

8/9/03 v. NE (1-0 home win): Yellows for Ivanov, Dema, Llamosa. Reds for Convey, Heaps, which was probably the right call to make.

9/13/03 v. SJ (2-1 home win): Yellows for Petke, Q2, Agoos. Not an overly difficult game, as I recall.

[garbaggio]

Stott was working the friendly in the Home Depot Center last night between Mexico and Costa Rica (on Telemundo). I only saw the first 15 minutes but he wasn't taking any crap from either of the two chippy teams.

He awarded each team a well-deserved yellow in the opening minutes in a game that looked like it could get out of control. In about the 10th minute, Gerardo Torrado - making his first appearance for Mexico since the World Cup - recklessly banged heads with Ronald Gomez and had to be stretchered off for the evening.

It was a pretty limited viewing on my part but Stott seemed to be doing a much better job than another MLS ref, Alex Prus, did in a similar Mexico friendly against Chile several weeks ago.

[Section106]

I like the idea of tracking the referees. After every match, I come to Big Soccer to read everyone's impressions and I find that I'm often in the minority in my belief that the ref absolutely screwed us! Now, I'm the first to admit that my fanatical devotion to DC United may be clouding my judgement and perverting my perception of the truth, so I openly welcome the chance to participate in a rational discussion of the refs' performances and how they affected the match. Now to the match at hand, the total number of penalties called by Stott in games invoving San Jose is 6 of 19. Is there any data on how many penalties were for San Jose? Too many times I've seen blantant penalty shouts ingnored for DC only to have the slightest touch or dramatic dive in the box result in a penalty and goal for the opposition. I also worry about the handing out of cards by MLS officials. They have been less than judgicious in their rewarding of cards in past seasons much to the detrement of the game, IMHO. With that said, here's hoping Kevin Stott & co have a good game Saturday. Lord knows I can't wait!!

[Lanky134]

Now to the match at hand, the total number of penalties called by Stott in games invoving San Jose is 6 of 19. Is there any data on how many penalties were for San Jose?

I only started tracking this last year, so I only have those stats. In the three SJ games he called last year, he did not call any PKs for either team.

[AndyMead]

Too many times I've seen blantant penalty shouts ingnored for DC only to have the slightest touch or dramatic dive in the box result in a penalty and goal for the opposition.

Selective memory. Of the seven PKs at RFK last season only one was awarded to the visiting team.

DC United at RFK
2003
5/17 KCW penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 31')
6/7 CHI penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 37')
7/5 LAG penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 10')
9/28 MET penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 64')
10/4 CLB penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 59')
10/19 CLB penalty FOR DC (Etcheverry G 37')
10/19 CLB penalty AGAINST DC (McBride G 90')

DC United on the road
2003
4/26 COL penalty AGAINST DC (John Spencer G 24')
5/31 DAL penalty AGAINST DC (Ronald Cerritos G 75')
7/2 DAL penalty AGAINST DC (Jason Kreis G 74')
7/27 NER penalty FOR DC (Eliseo Quintanilla G 91+')
8/16 CHI penalty FOR DC (Hristo Stoitchkov G 8')
8/16 CHI penalty AGAINST DC (Razov S 40')
9/25 MET penalty AGAINST DC (Clint Mathis S 36')
10/11 NER penalty AGAINST DC (Steve Ralston G 92')

[Hal]

Maybe we should keep a thread on how many fouls Freddy receives and how many Yellow Cards and Red Cards are shown those fouling Adu and by which referees and how many PK's he earns. Might be interesting to see if it's consinstent among the referees and consistent with fouls and cards against other other players. By minutes played would also be worth noting.

Actually, a better comparison might just be to the fouls and cards received and PK's earned by Beasley, another quick small player that opponents have to foul to contain.

[doneshufflin]

Stott did three United games last year:


9/13/03 v. SJ (2-1 home win): Yellows for Petke, Q2, Agoos. Not an overly difficult game, as I recall.


He missed a clear offsides in that game. J. Walker's goal was clearly offsides and he and the linesman blew it. So aside from the Rizo dive and the missed offsides call he was decent.

[Knave]

... bump ...

[United20]

Extremely poor reffing by Stott - this guy needs to learn about "advantage" when the offense incurs a foul and when to hand appropriate red cards. He is not professional quality. Russell was out of control early in the game and the Stott did not take control by handing out a yellow to Ian.

[352gialloblu]

I thought he was reallyy bad. The missed advantage calls (3?) were bad, and Waibel's red card probably wasn't a red. I mean, if that is a red, why didn't he send Russel off for that really late challenge near the end of the first half? He didn't even book him for that! Dema's elbow (forearm) probably deserved something, but if he'd whistled Mullan for the shirt tugging before hand maybe it could have been avoided. He also missed what I thought were clear fouls a few times, and his linesmen screwed up some off-sides calls (but who doesn't, eh?).

I can't remember if I've seen Stott before, but I wasn't impressed at all.

[jason1551]

And for the love of god, he didn't need to call every flop by a SJ player.

[Deuteriumoxide]

I guess Stott fell asleep in Referee school when the words "Play on" were uttered.

[DutchFootballRulez]

He knows how to give RED CARDS for soft-tackles and elbows

[ursula]

I have to say that Stott did a fair job this game. True, he missed the advantage calls, as Eric Wynalda pointed out loudly. True, the reds, at least Waibel's should have been and Russell's foul should have been a yellow. But the PK call was correct and though there were a bunch of fouls called he allowed a lot of chippy play without stopping action. The calls he did and didn't make didn't change the outcome of the game, which is bottom line, what is asked for in a ref.

[jason1551]

I agree, but his inability to recognize or call advantage was atrocious. Odd that he called some fouls and then let others slide. Way too inconsistent for my tastes, but it is the beginning of the season and refs have to get back into the game just like the players.

[Daniel le Rouge]

I think Stott purely and simply butchered this game. Not carding Russell was a serious mistake that led directly to the kind of chippy play that saw two borderline ejections. Clear mishandling of the advantage rule cost scoring opportunities for both teams--San jose lost one and we lost two.

Did he have a negative impact on the game? Unquestionably. Was it decisive? No. And that's the only thing that saved him from a catastrophic grade that would have seen him demoted to PDL games. As is, I think he needs a couple of weeks in the A-League to sharpen up. His performance was nothing short of unacceptable, even if it didn't determine the outcome of the game.

[Jacen McCullough]

My personal basis for determining the quality of a ref is how much they may have affected the game. Every ref has bad calls, but the key is which calls impact the actual game. If a call/non-call changes the winner of the game, then that's about as bad as a ref can get. Stott wasn't quite that bad. He wasn't much better either. The 2nd Moreno goal was a mis-call (it wasn't over the line). The two times he failed to allow play to continue for advantage were great scoring chances. The way DC was playing, I'd be shocked if they didn't score at least one. That means Stott was responsible for a 1 goal victory when it could very easily have been 3 or 4. Bad ref.

Plus, both Red cards were harsh, and his carding in general was very inconsistent.

[MattR]

I'd have to agree that the officiating, as usual, brought down the level of play. Yes, it was a chippy match. I'd even agree that the PK and the red cards were warrented. I'd also point out that DCU missed 2 or three obvious goals.

However, not allowing for advantage on several occasions ended what could have been great scoring chances. Advantage is something most Adu-watchers would have enjoyed having explained to them, and something that makes soccer unique.

Also, the game was chippy precisely because of inconsistent calls. You tried it, cause hey, maybe it won't be called.

[snbdrenzo]

I guess Stott fell asleep in Referee school when the words "Play on" were uttered.

Agree, this guy sucked